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Kevin Olley Send message Joined: 3 Aug 99 Posts: 906 Credit: 261,085,289 RAC: 572 |
"Once a Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it current for the supported lifetime of the device—at no additional charge." A very interesting statement, this machine started life as a 486dx2-66 with 4 meg of ram, 1/4 meg video card and windows 3.11. that was back in 1994. It has had a few upgrades since then, and none of the original parts remain, but there is still a 3 1/2" floppy drive (disconected) sitting in the front of the case. I did have problems after one upgrade (CPU Motherboard memory) when Vista thought it was being used on a different machine. Kevin |
Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13164 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873 |
A blog post from Terry Myerson clears up what "Windows as a service" means, though the duration of "the supported lifetime of the device" is still foggy. "This is more than a one-time upgrade," writes Myerson. "Once a Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it current for the supported lifetime of the device—at no additional charge." I haven't followed up on that blog post you mention. I just came to the subscription conclusion because every news article explaining Windows 10 mentioned over and over ... "Windows as a service" Sounds like a typical software license to me. I have to pay up $hundred$ each year to keep my software licenses working or they go kaput and you have to re-purchase the whole package again with no discount. Keith Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
... [Edit] http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/01/21/the-next-generation-of-windows-windows-10/ Win 7 is very good. If Win 10 proves to be better, Then good for MS. I will read the reviews after others try it first before I jump to another ship. [/quote] Old James |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Just my 2 cents.... I have my daily driver on 7. All my other 8 crunchers are on XP, 2 on x64. I still vastly prefer XP for dealing with the nuts and bolts of things. Maybe it's because I have more years under my belt with XP than with 7. Maybe it's because this old kitty fart hates change, especially when XP still works so well...especially for a crunch-only rig. As far as going from 7 to 10, even for free? Meh, I think not. As Hendricks put it...if 6 turned out to be 9....I don't mind. I don't mind. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
And what about the old CRT monitors that I still have to use due to my low income? Listed "devices" quite different. What is "computer" device? I keep same case more then 10 years already, replaced almost all inside. Is it same "computer" or different one?... |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
"Once a Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it current for the supported lifetime of the device—at no additional charge." In most cases, a device isn't simply what resides inside the case. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
And what about the old CRT monitors that I still have to use due to my low income? What resides inside the case is not the device. Otherwise you're essentially defining the device as the case itself, regardless of internals. We both know that's not true. |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
And what about the old CRT monitors that I still have to use due to my low income? It's more complex too. Devices are mobo, CPU, memory sticks, any separate entity is device. And computer is compound device. And since WinXP M$ has some obscure policy when to treat compound device as another device. Sometimes XP worked after mobo change, sometimes not. So, the real question what exact policy will be with Windows 10, not what is "device" per se. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
And what about the old CRT monitors that I still have to use due to my low income? For clarity, please see my edit (i.e. the case is not the device). But I do agree that we need a better definition from Microsoft on what a device is. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
A blog post from Terry Myerson clears up what "Windows as a service" means, though the duration of "the supported lifetime of the device" is still foggy. "This is more than a one-time upgrade," writes Myerson. "Once a Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it current for the supported lifetime of the device—at no additional charge." Fair enough. And you're not the only one to come to that conclusion. I had to clarify to some coworkers as well who made the same mistake. At least discussing the topic is better than remaining confused. |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
Currently one can pay for own copy of OS and use it until hardware will die, if one doesn't want any new features/bloats M$ brings with new OS. There is no any required month/year fee. Will "OS as service" change this policy? |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
And another interesting question: will users of preinstalled OEM Win7 be eligible for free upgrade too? |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
And another interesting question: will users of preinstalled OEM Win7 be eligible for free upgrade too? Yes. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
This is exactly the case with Windows 10. Nothing has changed. Will "OS as service" change this policy? What remains to be seen is what "OS as a service" actually is, and what Microsoft defines as a "device". |
HAL9000 Send message Joined: 11 Sep 99 Posts: 6534 Credit: 196,805,888 RAC: 57 |
There have been rumors for a few years that MS would switch to a free OS model. Like Apple has done with OS X & also how mobile devices are now. Companies have found that people are more willing to shell out $10-50 here and there for some software than they are to spend $100-500 for an OS. So the OS has become a more of a platform to install applications. Given the number of options for a OS that are free or basically free charging large sums for an application platform isn't a good business model. SETI@home classic workunits: 93,865 CPU time: 863,447 hours Join the [url=http://tinyurl.com/8y46zvu]BP6/VP6 User Group[ |
JanniCash Send message Joined: 17 Nov 03 Posts: 57 Credit: 1,276,920 RAC: 0 |
To my knowledge the "cannot be moved to new hardware" or "until hardware die" and other restrictions only apply to the OEM license, not the "full retail" license of Windows. One might have to call Microsoft Customer Service because the online activation may fail when installing a previously activated "full retail" license key on new hardware. The most important differences between "full retail" and OEM seem to be: 1) OEM is permanently bound to the first computer, it is installed on. It moves with the hardware. 2) "Full retail comes with an upgrade option and both, 32 and 64 bit versions. OEM can only do clean install in the architecture, purchased for. 3) OEM does not qualify for free Microsoft support. That must be provided by whoever installed the OS (usually the hardware manufacturer). The way I understand that is that a "full retail" license is bound to an owner. It can be moved from one computer to another as long as the computer, it was previously activated for, is retired (or reinstalled with another license/OS). This also solves the "licensing" problems usually experienced with replacing individual components in a computer systems, like replacing the motherboard, CPU or graphics board. One may still experience technical difficulties doing so (BSOD), but that could be overcome by a clean reinstall, using the same license key. One can do none of that legally with an OEM copy. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
You are absolutely correct on all that. I think the idea is that the "device" is the system as it currently exists (not moving components from one motherboard/hard drive/cpu/memory to another). As long as the device is fully functional and running Windows 10, it will receive updates for it's entire life. |
JanniCash Send message Joined: 17 Nov 03 Posts: 57 Credit: 1,276,920 RAC: 0 |
You are absolutely correct on all that. But the question was, does the Windows 7 OEM install qualify for the free upgrade to Windows 10, and the answer is yes. Which I consider one of the smarter moves by Microsoft recently. Offering "free" upgrade to 10 during the first year after release, together with going back to a more "Desktop PC friendly" UI, may make Windows 10 more successful than 8*. Remember, 50% of all desktops still run 7 and 20% still XP while 8* hasn't broken the 10% mark yet. They seem desperate to do better this time. |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
Is it your wishful thinking or did you try such transfers of license indeed? |
Claggy Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4654 Credit: 47,537,079 RAC: 4 |
I've used re-used my full retail Win 7 Pro Licence on my C2D T8100, it was used on my C2D E8500 in Windows 7 form previously before it's hardrive failed. Claggy |
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