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Message 1628070 - Posted: 15 Jan 2015, 18:48:15 UTC - in response to Message 1627999.  
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This thread could also be called exploitations of humans by other humans because humans are the only ones doing the exploitation here Martin...

Yes, very definitely.

However there is often the excuse that it is somehow "the system" that "did it"...

Are we also exploiting ourselves by the bureaucratic and commercial environment that we have created for our "modern" way of living?

Note how company officials/employees can legally hide behind the facade of "The Company"... As has been the case for many desperately bad industrial disasters that have killed people. Similarly so where people have had their lives plunged into destitution due to the financial manoeuvrings of some company whilst an immoral few 'legally' "run off with all the money".


Is it only Humans exploiting Humans? Or are we also victim to the very systems and way of living that we have created?

Or is it that Western Medieval Feudalism has evolved into something even more pervasive and elaborate?...


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Message 1628115 - Posted: 15 Jan 2015, 20:16:47 UTC - in response to Message 1628081.  

This thread could also be called exploitations of humans by other humans because humans are the only ones doing the exploitation here Martin...

Yes, very definitely.

However there is often the excuse that it is somehow "the system" that "did it"...

Are we also exploiting ourselves by the bureaucratic and commercial environment that we have created for our "modern" way of living?

Note how company officials/employees can legally hide behind the facade of "The Company"... As has been the case for many desperately bad industrial disasters that have killed people. Similarly so where people have had their lives plunged into destitution due to the financial manoeuvrings of some company whilst an immoral few 'legally' "run off with all the money".


Is it only Humans exploiting Humans? Or are we also victim to the very systems and way of living that we have created?

Or is it that Western Medieval Feudalism has evolved into something even more pervasive and elaborate?...


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Human's created ALL Systems.

Human's are...

Therefore: System's are...

No One, or Ideology, or Religion: Will create a System which will not go bad.

Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.


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Message 1629951 - Posted: 19 Jan 2015, 20:01:16 UTC
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The oil and gas country Qatar has spent around 200 billion dollars in the construction for the Football World Cup 2022. But the foreign construction workers are paying a high price. So far, 1,400 workers died.
About 2.3 million live in the small country in the Persian Gulf. A fifth of them is qatarier, the rest guest workers who build the country and manage the service. Many of them live under slave-like conditions.
Such a rich country and still exploit humans:(
http://www.dn.se/sport/fotboll/priset-for-vm-bygget-1400-doda/
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Message 1630150 - Posted: 20 Jan 2015, 5:49:50 UTC - in response to Message 1630125.  

The oil and gas country Qatar has spent around 200 billion dollars in the construction for the Football World Cup 2022. But the foreign construction workers are paying a high price. So far, 1,400 workers died.
About 2.3 million live in the small country in the Persian Gulf. A fifth of them is qatarier, the rest guest workers who build the country and manage the service. Many of them live under slave-like conditions.
Such a rich country and still exploit humans:(
http://www.dn.se/sport/fotboll/priset-for-vm-bygget-1400-doda/

Wealth does not equal Civilized Country's.

Wealth creates mistrust and paranoia that others are attempting to take it away.

Tax increases prove the paranoia.
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Message 1630163 - Posted: 20 Jan 2015, 6:29:27 UTC - in response to Message 1630150.  
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Tax increases prove the paranoia.

Are you sure, I thought most of the rich, individuals and companies, did everything to not pay taxes, so increases on the small amount they do pay will be small.


N.B. to all US friends.

Did you know the average 401 is only worth enough to pay $400/month.
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Message 1630379 - Posted: 21 Jan 2015, 0:14:16 UTC - in response to Message 1630150.  
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The oil and gas country Qatar has spent around 200 billion dollars in the construction for the Football World Cup 2022. But the foreign construction workers are paying a high price. So far, 1,400 workers died.
About 2.3 million live in the small country in the Persian Gulf. A fifth of them is qatarier, the rest guest workers who build the country and manage the service. Many of them live under slave-like conditions.
Such a rich country and still exploit humans:(
http://www.dn.se/sport/fotboll/priset-for-vm-bygget-1400-doda/

Wealth does not equal Civilized Country's.

Wealth creates mistrust and paranoia that others are attempting to take it away.
Tax increases prove the paranoia.

In Quatar there is no income tax for Qatarains!
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Message 1630415 - Posted: 21 Jan 2015, 1:48:15 UTC - in response to Message 1630163.  

N.B. to all US friends.

Did you know the average 401 is only worth enough to pay $400/month.

Yes, trading fees. You know market churn. The thing wall street firms do when they need more cash. Oh, who pays it? Guess those 401's are going down to $350/month.

You are aware that many 401 savers are idiots?
http://money.cnn.com/2014/02/13/retirement/401k-balances/
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Message 1631231 - Posted: 22 Jan 2015, 13:04:00 UTC
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Continuing the decades long 'procrastination' of the Tobacco Industry:


Tobacco industry: Cigarette package law 'flawed'

Proposals to introduce standardised ['plain'] cigarette packaging in England are "flawed", the tobacco industry says...


Really "flawed"?

Or really effective to limit continued exploitation by one of the Marketing channels (ab)used by the Tobacco Industry?


Exploitation unto (a painful) death?!...

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Message 1631241 - Posted: 22 Jan 2015, 13:40:15 UTC - in response to Message 1631231.  

If you look deeply into Australian statistics about overall tobacco imports and sales, then the picture seems to be that sales of packs of cigarettes have fallen slightly, but sales of loose tobacco have risen significantly, with some suggestion that smuggling of tobacco products has also risen.

The suggestion that the total tobacco smoked has fallen since they went to plain, (poo-brown) packets with anti-smoking pictures is probably false.
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Message 1642850 - Posted: 16 Feb 2015, 12:09:33 UTC

All a question of business and profit without morals?...


Nicaraguans demand action over illness killing thousands of sugar cane workers

Families say government failing to address concerns that harsh working conditions are behind chronic kidney disease epidemic

... At least 20,000 people are estimated to have died of chronic kidney disease (CKD) in Central America in the past two decades – most of them sugar cane workers...

... Critics say Ortega has ignored the plight of rural folk because he needs the sugar barons’ support to stay in power... “We have a dramatic situation with people dying at a very fast rate from a disease clearly linked to harsh working conditions, yet they’ve been virtually abandoned...




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Message 1643460 - Posted: 17 Feb 2015, 23:52:08 UTC

Might there be limits when "the word gets out"?...


Big firms face crisis of trust, business lobby group says

Big UK firms face a "crisis of trust" and the next government must prioritise better ethics...



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Message 1645321 - Posted: 22 Feb 2015, 16:05:57 UTC

As one big business exploitation is curtailed:


Thailand's crackdown on 'wombs for rent'

... Now, five years after it was first drafted, the Thai parliament has passed a law which it hopes will shut down the "wombs-for-rent" business for good.

Foreigners are banned from seeking surrogates in Thailand. Thai couples can find surrogate parents, but not through agents, or on any kind of commercial basis.

At the heart of the business are hard-up Thai women, who see nine months carrying someone else's child as a relatively easy way to make good money.

Pattaramon was one, although she says she would never do it again...




Is there any choice in exploitation?...

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Message 1645322 - Posted: 22 Feb 2015, 16:08:22 UTC

There is other big business exploitation exposed:


Free Qatar’s modern slaves

Forced to work under the desert’s scorching sun, denied food, drinking water, and barred from escaping home, thousands of men in Qatar are modern day slaves. And we can help free them.

Last year, one person died every other day building a billion dollar mega-project for Qatar's 2022 World Cup. A major part of the project is managed by an American company with a CEO who lives in a quiet part of Colorado...



Is there any choice in exploitation?...

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Message 1651066 - Posted: 9 Mar 2015, 15:45:09 UTC - in response to Message 1645322.  


Is there any choice in exploitation?...

Nope!

...but at least they're learning to give as good as they take...

"British companies love us because our English is not accented. The brightest graduates from our universities fight to get a job here. We only take the smartest kids. And after we've finished training them they even get your British sarcasm," says Tubbs."
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Message 1664134 - Posted: 11 Apr 2015, 16:26:15 UTC

Personal encounters of exploitation is a very sensitive subject as highlighted here:


The hunt for the Saudi 'rubbish girl'



So... How can "big business" 'get away' with far worse and even profit from what otherwise are considered to be unfair or immoral practices, or even worse?...


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Message 1664184 - Posted: 11 Apr 2015, 18:22:06 UTC - in response to Message 1643657.  

Es99 has been striking for better conditions for BC teachers, did it work? The big boys always win.

I don't remember saying that here on seti. Maybe I forgot I did.

..and did it make things better? A little maybe. We got some concessions on class size and special needs support.

What it did to is stop things from getting worse. The current BC government has a slash and burn agenda with public education. Every year they cut money to it while increasing money given to private schools.

As I don't think you are aware at all of the particulars of the BC teacher's grievance I am not sure why you brought it up here. Its actually a fairly complicated subject that would merit an entire thread of its own.
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Message 1664678 - Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 21:03:20 UTC - in response to Message 1664142.  
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... Please explain.

Just highlighting how immigrants can be imported to be treated as slaves including having their passports confiscated by their 'employers' to be then all too often abused or even killed (how many dead each day for a certain new football stadium being built at the moment in the desert?...)...

And yet just one of the immigrants gains inadvertent attention whilst scavenging in a rubbish skip gets showered with gifts to try to buy off the country conscience that such slavery is taking place in full view and in the full knowledge of all those "very generous" slave keepers...


Whether they are originally forced or enticed, the end result is still iniquitously the same. The zealous reaction to just that one girl in the skip shows how many people know and how similarly many people are extremely embarrassed...

Yet... The slavery continues.


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Message 1664909 - Posted: 13 Apr 2015, 8:33:06 UTC - in response to Message 1664678.  

... Please explain.

Just highlighting how immigrants can be imported to be treated as slaves including having their passports confiscated by their 'employers' to be then all too often abused or even killed (how many dead each day for a certain new football stadium being built at the moment in the desert?...)...

And yet just one of the immigrants gains inadvertent attention whilst scavenging in a rubbish skip gets showered with gifts to try to buy off the country conscience that such slavery is taking place in full view and in the full knowledge of all those "very generous" slave keepers...


Whether they are originally forced or enticed, the end result is still iniquitously the same. The zealous reaction to just that one girl in the skip shows how many people know and how similarly many people are extremely embarrassed...

Yet... The slavery continues.


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How can we be so blind?
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Message 1664930 - Posted: 13 Apr 2015, 9:38:46 UTC - in response to Message 1664909.  

... Please explain.

Just highlighting how immigrants can be imported to be treated as slaves including having their passports confiscated by their 'employers' to be then all too often abused or even killed (how many dead each day for a certain new football stadium being built at the moment in the desert?...)...
And yet just one of the immigrants gains inadvertent attention whilst scavenging in a rubbish skip gets showered with gifts to try to buy off the country conscience that such slavery is taking place in full view and in the full knowledge of all those "very generous" slave keepers...
Whether they are originally forced or enticed, the end result is still iniquitously the same. The zealous reaction to just that one girl in the skip shows how many people know and how similarly many people are extremely embarrassed...
Yet... The slavery continues.

How can we be so blind?

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Message 1664947 - Posted: 13 Apr 2015, 10:33:56 UTC - in response to Message 1664930.  

... Please explain.

Just highlighting how immigrants can be imported to be treated as slaves including having their passports confiscated by their 'employers' to be then all too often abused or even killed (how many dead each day for a certain new football stadium being built at the moment in the desert?...)...
And yet just one of the immigrants gains inadvertent attention whilst scavenging in a rubbish skip gets showered with gifts to try to buy off the country conscience that such slavery is taking place in full view and in the full knowledge of all those "very generous" slave keepers...
Whether they are originally forced or enticed, the end result is still iniquitously the same. The zealous reaction to just that one girl in the skip shows how many people know and how similarly many people are extremely embarrassed...
Yet... The slavery continues.

How can we be so blind?

Money, Money, Money
It's so funny:)


It's a rich man's world, yet being rich between the ears has its advantages too...
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