Isn't that article a bit off target?

Charlie Hebdo is a satirical magazine that pokes at any target that it see's as being outside the normal. And last year they supported Hamas, which I assume you would applaud.

It will make cartoons of the left and right politics, any religion etc.

The attacks on TV stations and the like in time of conflict are to deny the opposing forces a means of communication and propaganda. Therefore by absolute definition not the same thing.

I think the point is more that the West has no qualms about bombing journalists and newspapers and committing all kinds of war crimes if and when it suits our needs. Only when we do all those things, its always justified in some way, but whenever someone does the same thing to us, we are horrified and outraged.

Either the enemy media is a valid military target in general, and applies to all media in every country, or the media is not a valid military target and what we did was wrong.

And as can be seen in any conflict involving the Islamists they see no problem at all in hiding in hospitals, schools, behind women, children and the old, and use kidnap victims and prisoners as shields. All things I hope you would condemn.

You expect them to come out and fight us on our terms? Terms in which we have an undeniable superiority? Conflicts involving extremists have always been of an extremely asymmetrical nature. In terms of traditional military power, the West and Israel has a lot of it, while these extremists have virtually non of it. Hence, if they were to fight these conflicts in a traditional military manner, they would be cut down and destroyed in no time. So they even the odds by not fighting on our terms, but on theirs, exploiting the weaknesses we have. Sorry but I can't fault them for being in it to win it, and doing it in a way that maximizes their chances.

Welcome to the 21st century and the 'New Wars'.

Well said.

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Clyde. My post was not intended to be insulting or hostile. It was meant as a piece of advice. You made two completely contradictory statements in a short time, so either you just don't know what you actually think or you have a short term memory span. Recently you have become particularly irrational across a number of posts and it isn't only me that has noticed it. If however a Moderator does decide that the post should be hidden then I will have no objection. My point has been made and you have noted it. I will leave the matter there.

Recently you have become particularly irrational

Again a violation of The Rules.

Have you notified The Moderator's of your, and other's (besides me) violation of these Forum's Rules?

Or will you continue your Insulting Name Calling against Poster's who disagree, or debate a 'Protected Poster'.

'What is Past; is Prologue'.

NOTE: This may be close to my last posting (Do I hear Cheering), before being 'Punished'.

Doesn't matter.

After living a Full Life: Military - Police - History Teacher at a 'Liberal Arts' University: I have retired with two good pensions. A wife with a good income. And devote my life to my family, and assisting Our Disabled Vets.

These Forum's are not important.

Repeating: 'What is Past; is Prologue'.

If you have a complaint, Clyde, use the red X.

You are correct that we have been giving a lot of leeway to personal insults in the politics forum that would not be allowed elsewhere on seti. However, if we do start to enforce those rules more rigidly I am afraid a lot of your posts would go as well.

ALL posters here are "protected", and you have benefited from that on many, many occasions.

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Isn't that article a bit off target?

Charlie Hebdo is a satirical magazine that pokes at any target that it see's as being outside the normal. And last year they supported Hamas, which I assume you would applaud.

It will make cartoons of the left and right politics, any religion etc.

The attacks on TV stations and the like in time of conflict are to deny the opposing forces a means of communication and propaganda. Therefore by absolute definition not the same thing.

I think the point is more that the West has no qualms about bombing journalists and newspapers and committing all kinds of war crimes if and when it suits our needs. Only when we do all those things, its always justified in some way, but whenever someone does the same thing to us, we are horrified and outraged.
Either the enemy media is a valid military target in general, and applies to all media in every country, or the media is not a valid military target and what we did was wrong.

I said nothing about bombing newspapers or journalists. I specifically said TV stations, but could have also included Radio stations, but didn't. If places choose to house the TV or Radio station in the same building as all its reporters editorial staff etc. then that is a risk they take.
If I wanted to stop TV transmission in my local area I would attempt to destroy

Winter Hill
No reporters etc there, just people like me, communications engineers.

You seem to fail and noticing the distinction.

And as can be seen in any conflict involving the Islamists they see no problem at all in hiding in hospitals, schools, behind women, children and the old, and use kidnap victims and prisoners as shields. All things I hope you would condemn.

You expect them to come out and fight us on our terms? Terms in which we have an undeniable superiority? Conflicts involving extremists have always been of an extremely asymmetrical nature. In terms of traditional military power, the West and Israel has a lot of it, while these extremists have virtually non of it. Hence, if they were to fight these conflicts in a traditional military manner, they would be cut down and destroyed in no time. So they even the odds by not fighting on our terms, but on theirs, exploiting the weaknesses we have. Sorry but I can't fault them for being in it to win it, and doing it in a way that maximizes their chances.

Welcome to the 21st century and the 'New Wars'.

I don't expect them to come out and fight us.
Do they have any justification for fighting us, other than their belief that we are out to destroy them, which I don't think we are.

Might I add to my comments about communication centres. When I was the senior engineer at a NATO communications centre, which was before the collapse of the USSR, my initial briefing told me that, if the cold war started, my station would probably, with about 99% certainty, be one of the first destroyed, about 2 hours before any war was declared.

I specifically said TV stations, but could have also included Radio stations, but didn't. If places choose to house the TV or Radio station in the same building as all its reporters editorial staff etc. then that is a risk they take.

Or forests of up-link / down-link stations ....

Do they have any justification for fighting us, other than their belief that we are out to destroy them, which I don't think we are.

Our broadcasts cross their border and pollute the minds of their youth, therefore we are attempting to destroy them.

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I don't expect them to come out and fight us.
Do they have any justification for fighting us, other than their belief that we are out to destroy them, which I don't think we are.

Did we have any justification other than our belief that they were out to destroy us when we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq?

Quite frankly, they got much better reasons to believe we are out to destroy them than the other way around. I mean, aside from the fact that we invaded Afghanistan, a sovereign nation, on the basis of what a private, non governmental actor did to the US, and Iraq on the basis of fabricated evidence of WMD's that even if they existed probably wouldn't have posed an actual threat to us. We supported pretty much every dictator there as long as they backed our interests, completely sidelining the wishes of the people. We consistently stand behind Israel, which is repeatedly accused of countless human rights and Geneva convention violations. And within Europe, Muslims are increasingly treated as suspect, as second class citizens and there are more and more political parties getting popular on the basis of creating a narrative based on antagonism towards Muslims.

Honestly, why are we even surprised when an extremist movement becomes popular on the basis of anti Western rhetoric? While we might think we are awesome, the rest of the world, in particular the Middle East has understandable reasons to think differently.

But in the end, it doesn't matter if they have any justification that we accept as a valid justification. They accept it as a good enough justification and hence they will fight. On their terms.

Thoughtful reflection by New Statesman cartoonist Tom Humberstone

In the Frame: I am not Charlie

Huh?

It's like the cartoon and the article were done by 2 different people. The cartoon is pretty good and is consistent throughout. The article is all over the place and oxymoronic at best.

(Finally have some time to elaborate)

So this guy starts off by patting himself on the back.

Goes off on a tangent about some comedian.

Finally gets to the point and then straight away calls the Hebdo Crew (in order of appearance) vulgar, cheap, lazy, bullies, who may not be rascists (this he "completely understands") but albeit - by the end of the paragraph - Charlie manage to "perpetuate crude racial stereotypes".

And just when you begin to wrap your head 'round what he actually got away with saying and go WTF... he calls you "wilfully obtuse or shamefully manipulative".

Seriously?

After that he gives away that symbolism and "too soon dude" are completely lost on him.

and

No-one is coming for our pencils or pens. We are not being told to self-censor or stop drawing.

Redundant when one is self-castrated :)

So the whole world is talking about punk-rock right now and this guy wants be Alanis Morissette. That's fine. And apparently you are allowed to call people all sorts of names in "articles" just not in cartoons. Right?

No wonder he's so afraid of South Park. Matt & Trey would have him for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

Complete with mandatory cat hairs :)

mandatory cat hairs

Just like our place....

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Here is one from Iceland.
http://instagram.com/p/xuLovqn8r4/?modal=true

Britain commentator and Muslim Mufassil Islam played havoc with Islamists in a youtube video where he asks them to go to hell because of the terrorist attack in Paris. Now he has received death threats from ISIS sympathizers, but he refuses to keep quiet about it.

https://translate.google.se/translate?hl=sv&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnyheteridag.se%2Fhan-ar-muslim-och-bad-islamister-dra-at-helvete-hotas-nu-av-isis%2F

Sirius B said:

Unlike others, I won't be back as I have better things to do with both my time & life. For those of you who actually know me, should you ever bump into me at any time, walk away!

Please List these 'Better Things' of Your Time and Life, which will Keep You from Posting Here Ad Nauseam, like you are doing Now.

Thank You

Yep.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Sirius B said:

Unlike others, I won't be back as I have better things to do with both my time & life. For those of you who actually know me, should you ever bump into me at any time, walk away!

Please List these 'Better Things' of Your Time and Life, which will Keep You from Posting Here Ad Nauseam, like you are doing Now.

Thank You

Yep.

Go back & read some more, you might learn something useful to do in your own life.

Police chase late in the evening a suspect after an attack in Copenhagen. One person was killed and three injured in what may have been an assassination attempt against Lars Vilks. He participated in a debate about freedom of speech when at least 30 shots were fired outside the entrance to the arts where he was.
https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dn.se%2Fnyheter%2Fsverige%2Fpolisjakt-efter-dodligt-attentat-i-kopenhamn%2F&edit-text=

Police chase late in the evening a suspect after an attack in Copenhagen. One person was killed and three injured in what may have been an assassination attempt against Lars Vilks. He participated in a debate about freedom of speech when at least 30 shots were fired outside the entrance to the arts where he was.
https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dn.se%2Fnyheter%2Fsverige%2Fpolisjakt-efter-dodligt-attentat-i-kopenhamn%2F&edit-text=

Horrible :(((((

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Two dead after new shootings in Copenhagen.
At 01 o'clock reported a shooting incident from the synagogue on Krystalgade in Copenhagen. A jew man in the 30s was shot in the head and died. The victim is said to have been parishioner and stood guard at the synagogue, where a bat or bar mitzvah was arranged. 80 persons where in the room.
https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dn.se%2Fnyheter%2Fvarlden%2Ftva-doda-efter-nya-skjutningar-i-kopenhamn%2F&edit-text=

In Stockholm, the Jewish community suspended all activities and heightened security following attacks in Copenhagen. "What has happened is terrible. It could just as well have been with us, "says Lena Posner-Körösi, parish president.

Don't worry...
Just another Shooting of Some Folks, and a Random Act.
President Obama, whose protectionist comments about Islam long have made waves, is at the center of a new firestorm Tuesday after labeling four Jews murdered by Islamic terrorists “a bunch of folks in a deli in Paris” who were “randomly” shot by terrorists...
http://www.wnd.com/2015/02/outrage-obama-calls-terror-victims-folks-shot-in-deli/#IHsww4BDPTHwuZ3P.99

Random Act? Doesn't Obama have a staff of peoples how knows the facts?
Hope he is updating himself after this Copenhagen atrocity.
First the perpetrator most likely wanted to kill the controversial Lars Wilks.
https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dn.se%2Fnyheter%2Fvarlden%2Fvilks-vi-maste-stoppa-de-har-mordarna%2F&edit-text=
Then attacking a synagogue that could have been a catastrophe if it wasn't for guard who got killed.

Danish police have now arrested a total of four people from the internet cafe Powerplay.
Powerplay is not far from the spot where police shot the man suspected of having carried out the attacks at Krudttønden and the synagogue in Copenhagen.

Danish police have now arrested a total of four people from the internet cafe Powerplay.
Powerplay is not far from the spot where police shot the man suspected of having carried out the attacks at Krudttønden and the synagogue in Copenhagen.

Decisions, unfortunately, may have to be made.

That's the most tricky part.

Krudttønden translates to The Gunpowder Keg in english.
Krudttønden is a café and local cultural centre at Østerfælled Torv in the Østerbro district of Copenhagen, Denmark.