Please show where 1000's of Christians or Jews are doing these vile and evil things.

See the inquisition chair.
http://www.torturemuseum.nl/instruments-of-torture/index.html

and more recently:

Bosnian Genocide

and

Tens of thousands of Muslims flee Christian militias in Central African Republic

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And a little closer to home.

Yes CLYDE, explain the difference.

The United Nations estimates that approximately 11% of the population aged between 15 and 49 is HIV positive. The nation is divided into over 80 ethnic groups, each having its own language. According to the 2003 national census, 80.3% of the population is Christian, 51.4% Protestant - 28.9% Roman Catholic, and 15% is Muslim.

Seems odd that Christians are fighting Muslims?

Why? IS fights Christians and Yehzidis as well, and those are both religious minorities in the region.

Also, its not like the Muslims in CAR are all completely innocent. Muslim militias are slaughtering Christians as well.

Sorry, not biting any more, find someone else.

To bad, I wasn't trying to bait you or something. Just responded to your comment that it seemed odd that Christians would be murdering Muslims.

But whatever, your loss.

The United Nations estimates that approximately 11% of the population aged between 15 and 49 is HIV positive. The nation is divided into over 80 ethnic groups, each having its own language. According to the 2003 national census, 80.3% of the population is Christian, 51.4% Protestant - 28.9% Roman Catholic, and 15% is Muslim.

Seems odd that Christians are fighting Muslims?

Why? IS fights Christians and Yehzidis as well, and those are both religious minorities in the region.

Also, its not like the Muslims in CAR are all completely innocent. Muslim militias are slaughtering Christians as well.

I dont think there are Yazidis in Africa.
They live primarily in the Nineveh Province of Iraq (Kurdistan). Additional communities in Armenia, Georgia, and Syria have been in decline since the 1990s as a result of significant migration to Europe, especially to Germany.

But that IS are killing them are true.
The Iraqi ethnic and religious minority descends from some of the region’s most ancient roots and face executions for a reputation as ‘devil worshippers’
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/07/who-yazidi-isis-iraq-religion-ethnicity-mountains

I dont think there are Yazidis in Africa.
They live primarily in the Nineveh Province of Iraq (Kurdistan). Additional communities in Armenia, Georgia, and Syria have been in decline since the 1990s as a result of significant migration to Europe, especially to Germany.

I did not mean to suggest that there are Yazidi's in Africa. My point was that they are a minority group in the region, and are still targeted for destruction by IS. Chris S mentioned that it was odd that a majority group targets a minority group for violence, I used the Yazidi's as an example showing that its not unique or odd that it happens.

I dont think there are Yazidis in Africa.
They live primarily in the Nineveh Province of Iraq (Kurdistan). Additional communities in Armenia, Georgia, and Syria have been in decline since the 1990s as a result of significant migration to Europe, especially to Germany.

I did not mean to suggest that there are Yazidi's in Africa. My point was that they are a minority group in the region, and are still targeted for destruction by IS. Chris S mentioned that it was odd that a majority group targets a minority group for violence, I used the Yazidi's as an example showing that its not unique or odd that it happens.

ISIS seems to want to kill everyone who does not profess Sunni Islam.
Whether a person is a Shia or a Sunni Muslim in Iraq can now be, quite literally, a matter of life and death.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/4-questions-ISIS-rebels-use-to-tell-Sunni-from-Shia/articleshow/37257563.cms

^ And that is why we can't have nice things.

Sorry, not biting any more, find someone else.

Es99, and her Apologist's for Evil Supporters, are (fill-in whatever positive or negative you wish).

I am getting really fed up with your insults, Clyde.

To respond again to these ..., is to lower ourselves. Those of Ethic's and Morality understand this.

We do understand them.

Innocent people have had to defend themselves from these types throughout History. As the Innocent People today have to defend themselves from these Jihadist, NAZI Lovers, and their apologist's.

Chris S...

I agree with ignoring these types.

They are showing to us, and the world, what is REALLY inside them.

This is your response to being shown that you have the facts wrong? To turn to insults?

You are wrong, Clyde. You made a claim that Christians would not do this. We have shown you just a few examples of Christians committing hateful acts and you dare call me and apologist?

Defend this, Clyde: At Least 80 Dead in Norway Shooting then we know which one is the real apologist.

I won't even begin to show you examples of the terrible crimes committed by the state of Israel against innocent civilians in Gaza because it will set Gary off.

You have your pet stance about who the bad guys are and refuse to deal with any information that shows you reality is more complicated than that.

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Defend this, Clyde: At Least 80 Dead in Norway Shooting then we know which one is the real apologist.

He has already commented about it.
And why should anyone have to defend anything in a political forum.
The Norway shooting are different to IS activities simply because that it was a norwegian Citizen who did that atrocity.

I won't even begin to show you examples of the terrible crimes committed by the state of Israel against innocent civilians in Gaza because it will set Gary off.

Only as long as you refuse to acknowledge that there are terrible crimes committed by Gaza against innocent civilians in Israel.

You don't balance wrong with more wrong.

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I won't even begin to show you examples of the terrible crimes committed by the state of Israel against innocent civilians in Gaza because it will set Gary off.

Only as long as you refuse to acknowledge that there are terrible crimes committed by Gaza against innocent civilians in Israel.

Seeing as I have and then pointed out that you don't balance wrong with more wrong I have no idea why you would say that.

You don't balance wrong with more wrong.

Oh..will you look at that.

That's right, Gary. You don't balance a wrong with a more heinous wrong and then pretend that is isn't even happening.

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Seeing as I have and then pointed out that you don't balance wrong with more wrong I have no idea why you would say that.

Perhaps because it is something that appears you don't always adhere to, see below.

You don't balance a wrong with a more heinous wrong and then pretend that is isn't even happening.

You are the only person posting who thinks I am pretending it isn't happening. Remember I called them Nazis. I can't think of anything more heinous than the Nazi atrocities, apparently that isn't sufficient for you. Combine with what you say above, and it does not permit Gaza to commit wrongs on Israel. Or do I read you correctly, that the principals you espouse are mutable?

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Seeing as I have and then pointed out that you don't balance wrong with more wrong I have no idea why you would say that.

Perhaps because it is something that appears you don't always adhere to, see below.

You don't balance a wrong with a more heinous wrong and then pretend that is isn't even happening.

You are the only person posting who thinks I am pretending it isn't happening. Remember I called them Nazis. I can't think of anything more heinous than the Nazi atrocities, apparently that isn't sufficient for you. Combine with what you say above, and it does not permit Gaza to commit wrongs on Israel. Or do I read you correctly, that the principals you espouse are mutable?

My original point was made at Clyde regarding his endless insistence that anyone who disagrees with him is a Nazi, my point about pretending it isn't happening was particularly referring to that.

It is pertinent in that he seems under the illusion that Christians and Jews are somehow incapable of committing atrocities and if you try to point it out you are somehow a Nazi sympathiser.

When it comes to the Israel-Palestine conflict one side is being worse than the other. One side has more power than the other and one side is committing a form of genocide on the other.

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When it comes to the Israel-Palestine conflict one side is being worse than the other. One side has more power than the other and one side is committing a form of genocide on the other.

Which somehow excuses the wrongs of the side you think of as less worse?

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]Which somehow excuses the wrongs of the side you think of as less worse?

No, but it is counter productive to keep emphasizing that both sides are wrong when there clearly is a difference in the scale of abuses perpetrated by both sides. By doing so you essentially equalize the distribution of blame for the death and destruction of the conflict, and you continue a discourse about the conflict that hinders a long term peaceful solution to the problem.

Sorry, not biting any more, find someone else.

Yeah, sorry, but you were never biting to begin with I'm afraid. At least Chris S tried for the most part respond to my arguments with actual counter arguments. All you do is repeat the same basic message over and over again. There is zero content in your posts.

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There is zero content in your posts.

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]Which somehow excuses the wrongs of the side you think of as less worse?

No, but it is counter productive to keep emphasizing that both sides are wrong when there clearly is a difference in the scale of abuses perpetrated by both sides. By doing so you essentially equalize the distribution of blame for the death and destruction of the conflict, and you continue a discourse about the conflict that hinders a long term peaceful solution to the problem.

Ah more Euro think about proportionality. As long as each side can legitimately claim the other is doing terrible things, therefore we can do terrible things back, each side will and neither side will be willing to negotiate.

Wanting some sort of proportional dead center solution is grasping at straws. The only people who want that are invested in making sure the conflict rages as long as possible. It was this idea of proportionality that guided the line in the sand gang and the treaties at the end of WWI. Worked out very well. The solution unfortunately lies in a disproportionate ending.

A third party could come in and impose peace. However both sides would hate the third party more than each other and another conflict would occur. It also seems likely that this third party would have to be willing to spend a very long time, several generations at a minimum, in charge. Shrub found out in Iraq, quick doesn't work, even after seeing USSR's failure in Afghanistan. There seems to be no reason for a third party to come in and impose a peace either. Most third parties are happier selling arms to both sides.

If we leave it to the two parties, and let them settle it, it will be over. Yes, I know one side will nearly exterminate the other. However it is only when the losing side finally, completely gives up that a lasting peace can be obtained. In WWII Germany and Japan were utterly defeated, where are they today?

The question for the euro think proportional proponents to ask themselves is simple. Is another thousand years of low level conflict where neither side is permitted to gain advantage over the other preferable to a short orgy of death and destruction? Which is better for everyone long term?

Oh, since this isn't a world war, the rest of the world can come in after it is over and toss the radical hot heads who refuse to abide by the rules of war from both sides into a Spandau and weld the doors shut. With the extremist rabble rouseers gone, the moderates stand a chance of getting busy doing other stuff.

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]Which somehow excuses the wrongs of the side you think of as less worse?

No, but it is counter productive to keep emphasizing that both sides are wrong when there clearly is a difference in the scale of abuses perpetrated by both sides. By doing so you essentially equalize the distribution of blame for the death and destruction of the conflict, and you continue a discourse about the conflict that hinders a long term peaceful solution to the problem.

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