Because the terrorists operate in all European countries.
It's better to have one organisation than perhaps 20.

Yeah but that doesn't answer my question. How is an European army going to stop terrorists more effectively?

Look, terrorists and the army generally do not engage each other in a fight. And when they do fight against terrorists, how is the fact that the army is under mulitnational political command going to make them more effective against terrorists? So whats the point of having a large European army?

Also, one has to ask, what exactly would that accomplish? How is an European army going to stop terrorists any more effectively than a national army?

Because the terrorists operate in all European countries.
It's better to have one organisation than perhaps 20.

Maybe, but it'll have 20 political masters & therein lies the problem, especially where Europe is concerned.

Exactly! +1

Eurocorps belongs to EU and is therefore not international but multinational.
To counter terrorist like the IS it's about time to upsize the military capacity.

Why?

Eurocorps belongs to EU and is therefore not international but multinational.
To counter terrorist like the IS it's about time to upsize the military capacity.

Why?

I may be wrong but I think what Janne is trying to say is - Have a dedicated unit solely for that purpose akin to Elliot Ness & the untouchables. I've been saying that for sometime. Once they've been ordered in, let them do their job without any political interference.

It can be done as Russia proved for over 50 years. Just how many "sleepers" did they really have & are there still some left?

I'm pretty certain that the military will is there but is there the political will?

Also, one has to ask, what exactly would that accomplish? How is an European army going to stop terrorists any more effectively than a national army?

Because the terrorists operate in all European countries.
It's better to have one organisation than perhaps 20.

Maybe, but it'll have 20 political masters & therein lies the problem, especially where Europe is concerned.

But that problem will always be there since EU is divided in so many nations and political agendas.
And cultures:)

Also, one has to ask, what exactly would that accomplish? How is an European army going to stop terrorists any more effectively than a national army?

Because the terrorists operate in all European countries.
It's better to have one organisation than perhaps 20.

Maybe, but it'll have 20 political masters & therein lies the problem, especially where Europe is concerned.

But that problem will always be there since EU is divided in so many nations and political agendas.
And cultures:)

Which makes that one organisation ineffective :-)

Also, one has to ask, what exactly would that accomplish? How is an European army going to stop terrorists any more effectively than a national army?

Because the terrorists operate in all European countries.
It's better to have one organisation than perhaps 20.

Maybe, but it'll have 20 political masters & therein lies the problem, especially where Europe is concerned.

But that problem will always be there since EU is divided in so many nations and political agendas.
And cultures:)

Which makes that one organisation ineffective :-)

About time to dismantle NATO then:)

Eurocorps belongs to EU and is therefore not international but multinational.
To counter terrorist like the IS it's about time to upsize the military capacity.

Why?

To deal with terrorist its seems more needed from now on that you also need military force beside police force.
Terrorists are upsizing their military capacity.

Janne, be aware that some posters have political reasons for wanting the UK to withdraw from the EU. That of course has nothing to do with Nato as you point out.

I know. A lot of seperatist movements in Europe right now.
Scotland comes to mind.
Are they aware that they have to build armies and there own anti terrorist forces if they withdraw?

Janne, be aware that some posters have political reasons for wanting the UK to withdraw from the EU. That of course has nothing to do with Nato as you point out.

Speak for yourself! How is it that whenever someone makes statements as mentioned here, people like you always come up with that answer? Why does there always have to be a "political reason?"

To deal with terrorist its seems more needed from now on that you also need military force beside police force.
Terrorists are upsizing their military capacity.

Hardly. ISIS is the only terrorist organization that has some tradtional military capacity, but still not nearly enough to be a threat to Europe. Secondly, terrorists like the ones that attacked Charlie Hebdo, well the military is just not the organization to deal with them. And that is not because our armies lack capacity.

Eurocorps belongs to EU and is therefore not international but multinational.
To counter terrorist like the IS it's about time to upsize the military capacity.

Why?

I may be wrong but I think what Janne is trying to say is - Have a dedicated unit solely for that purpose akin to Elliot Ness & the untouchables. I've been saying that for sometime. Once they've been ordered in, let them do their job without any political interference.

It can be done as Russia proved for over 50 years. Just how many "sleepers" did they really have & are there still some left?

I'm pretty certain that the military will is there but is there the political will?

If there is one country aside from the US you do not want to learn from in terms of counter terrorism its Russia. Look at how those brutes deal with terrorism in Beslan and that Moscow theater. Bloody massacres. And have they managed to repress terrorist organizations in Russia? No, given that suicide bombers blow themselves up regularly in subway stations, train stations and airports. The Russian counter terrorism policies are abysmal failures.

And look what they did in Chechnya. Two wars rife with human rights violations by Russian forces they managed to install a brutal dictator and a secret police and the Chechnya separatist movement preservers. Do we really want to model ourselves after Russia? Is that really how far we have fallen?

Is that really how far we have fallen?

Al-Queada, ISIL, Boko Harem, Hezbollah etc says yes!

Edit: Btw, there is an error in that post - I should have stated USSR & not Russia.

Is that really how far we have fallen?

Al-Queada, ISIL, Boko Harem, Hezbollah etc says yes!

So you want to let non European terror groups that hardly even operate inside Europe to make that decision for us?

Is that really how far we have fallen?

Al-Queada, ISIL, Boko Harem, Hezbollah etc says yes!

So you want to let non European terror groups that hardly even operate inside Europe to make that decision for us?

They already have!

Is that really how far we have fallen?

Al-Queada, ISIL, Boko Harem, Hezbollah etc says yes!

So you want to let non European terror groups that hardly even operate inside Europe to make that decision for us?

They already have!

We aren't like Russia yet thank god.

Is that really how far we have fallen?

Al-Queada, ISIL, Boko Harem, Hezbollah etc says yes!

So you want to let non European terror groups that hardly even operate inside Europe to make that decision for us?

They already have!

We aren't like Russia yet thank god.

So explain the 10,000 soldiers on the streets of France!

Is that really how far we have fallen?

Al-Queada, ISIL, Boko Harem, Hezbollah etc says yes!

So you want to let non European terror groups that hardly even operate inside Europe to make that decision for us?

They already have!

Yes.
Jyllands-Posten in Denmark, famous for Muhammad cartoons, won’t print Charlie Hebdo drawings
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/jyllands-posten-famous-for-muhammad-cartoons-wont-print-charlie-hebdo-drawings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy

Well, at least someone else is seeing what is happening.

Yes, they already have!

To deal with terrorist its seems more needed from now on that you also need military force beside police force.
Terrorists are upsizing their military capacity.

Hardly. ISIS is the only terrorist organization that has some tradtional military capacity, but still not nearly enough to be a threat to Europe. Secondly, terrorists like the ones that attacked Charlie Hebdo, well the military is just not the organization to deal with them. And that is not because our armies lack capacity.

& as seen from the following 2 links, neither are the police & security services...

3,000 to 5,000 Europeans now a potential terrorist threat

Can governments ban encryption?

"It is also worth noting, he added, that the men involved in the Paris shootings were known to the authorities and had been under surveillance until it was deemed that the threat from them had lessened.

"The security forces need better resources not more powers."

"Encryption is mathematics, not technology. It can't be suppressed by law," Mr Bloch told the BBC."