4. The conspiracy freaks love it as it fuels their belief that Governments are concealing the truth from the people

*rolls eyes* Of course! They're as honest as a human can be!! We have never heard Any lie of Any government! (see the sarcasm?)

Even if the Gov't is dishonest, and even if they have secrets to hide, doesn't mean those secrets are about alien visitations or occupation. Indeed, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and the bigger the secret the harder it is to keep.

If there was any truth to the conspiracies, there would be whistleblowers who know the world requires evidence.

I also do not believe the governments of the world are competent enough to hide alien visitations for so long. It simply wreaks of a scapegoat to hide behind as to why no evidence has ever been forthcoming. "The government won't let us know because they're hiding something!" Well yes, every government has something to hide. Having something to hide doesn't mean they're hiding what you think they are hiding. By definition, you don't know what they're hiding, so you can't also know they're hiding alien visitations.

Like the man said, I will sit up and take notice when someone produces one item of verifiable alien origin. Or when I get abducted myself, maybe they will cure my physical defects.

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Think about it: Why would only "The Government" know about any alleged visitation ??

And how is it possible that this is the only thing they can cooperate on? Most certainly not every government would agree with the obfuscation approach and therefore not go along with it.

You could say that those goverments are kept out of the loop, but then the amount of excuses you have to make just to keep the conspiracy going just keeps growing and growing. At some point you just have to accept that the conspiracy holds no water.

4. The conspiracy freaks love it as it fuels their belief that Governments are concealing the truth from the people

*rolls eyes* Of course! They're as honest as a human can be!! We have never heard Any lie of Any government! (see the sarcasm?)

Even if the Gov't is dishonest, and even if they have secrets to hide, doesn't mean those secrets are about alien visitations or occupation. Indeed, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and the bigger the secret the harder it is to keep.

If there was any truth to the conspiracies, there would be whistleblowers who know the world requires evidence.

I also do not believe the governments of the world are competent enough to hide alien visitations for so long. It simply wreaks of a scapegoat to hide behind as to why no evidence has ever been forthcoming. "The government won't let us know because they're hiding something!" Well yes, every government has something to hide. Having something to hide doesn't mean they're hiding what you think they are hiding. By definition, you don't know what they're hiding, so you can't also know they're hiding alien visitations.

I don't need the government to know that Ozzfan. Have you ever heard of Quantum superluminal communication?


http://cogprints.org/3065/1/qmt.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superluminal_communication

Oh, I know it's not proven yet, it's only a hypothesis... Or isn't it? What does your Government tell you on the subject?

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Think about it: Why would only "The Government" know about any alleged visitation ??

Not only the Governments know but people keep their mouths shut out of fear.

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I don't need the government to know that Ozzfan. Have you ever heard of Quantum superluminal communication?


http://cogprints.org/3065/1/qmt.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superluminal_communication

Oh, I know it's not proven yet, it's only a hypothesis... Or isn't it? What does your Government tell you on the subject?

The more worrisome question is why you think the gov't is a some sort of omniscient or omnipotent entity that knows all and hides everything we think they are hiding from us. This is the basis for any conspiracy, and why it is so hard to explain to Conspiracy Theorists why the self-defeating logic is an impossible logical fallacy.

Think about it: Why would only "The Government" know about any alleged visitation ??

Not only the Governments know but people keep their mouths shut out of fear.

If they are keeping their mouths shut, then how would you know about it at all? Clearly if someone is speaking up, then the gov'ts threat of fear simply aren't working. Then logically, those people "in the know" would provide irrefutable evidence to support their claims.

Don't get me wrong, I do believe there is intelligent life elsewhere in our galaxy. with that said, concerning the WOW signal, I consider it the same context as having a monkey sit at a typewriter, sooner or later it will type a word or two. If in fact it had come from an intelligent race it would have most probably been a sustained signal such as our TV and radio signals. They, such as ourselves would have developed some sort of transmission capabilities, and as such would have been in constant use as ours have been. Any civilization that might pick up our signals would receive a continuous recognizable signal not simply a blip. That's my opinion.

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I don't need the government to know that Ozzfan. Have you ever heard of Quantum superluminal communication?


http://cogprints.org/3065/1/qmt.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superluminal_communication

Oh, I know it's not proven yet, it's only a hypothesis... Or isn't it? What does your Government tell you on the subject?

The more worrisome question is why you think the gov't is a some sort of omniscient or omnipotent entity that knows all and hides everything we think they are hiding from us. This is the basis for any conspiracy, and why it is so hard to explain to Conspiracy Theorists why the self-defeating logic is an impossible logical fallacy.

So many things we don't know about, that's all. Be it espionage, aliens, war(games) EUCH I'm so fed up with it all. Wished I couldn't see things so clearly all the time... Sorry for the late response, busy here at work.

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I don't need the government to know that Ozzfan. Have you ever heard of Quantum superluminal communication?


http://cogprints.org/3065/1/qmt.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superluminal_communication

Oh, I know it's not proven yet, it's only a hypothesis... Or isn't it? What does your Government tell you on the subject?

The more worrisome question is why you think the gov't is a some sort of omniscient or omnipotent entity that knows all and hides everything we think they are hiding from us. This is the basis for any conspiracy, and why it is so hard to explain to Conspiracy Theorists why the self-defeating logic is an impossible logical fallacy.

So many things we don't know about, that's all. Be it espionage, aliens, war(games) EUCH I'm so fed up with it all. Wished I couldn't see things so clearly all the time... Sorry for the late response, busy here at work.

No worries. Just friendly conversation is all. Don't feel the need to respond immediately. :)

But yes, there are a lot of things we don't about. But as I said, by definition since we don't know about them, how could we possibly determine "they" are hiding proof of alien visitations? I just cannot see it happening without going through a lot of mental gymnastics to make the theory fit. I don't buy into it is all.

I don't need the government to know that Ozzfan. Have you ever heard of Quantum superluminal communication?


http://cogprints.org/3065/1/qmt.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superluminal_communication

Oh, I know it's not proven yet, it's only a hypothesis... Or isn't it? What does your Government tell you on the subject?

The more worrisome question is why you think the gov't is a some sort of omniscient or omnipotent entity that knows all and hides everything we think they are hiding from us. This is the basis for any conspiracy, and why it is so hard to explain to Conspiracy Theorists why the self-defeating logic is an impossible logical fallacy.

So many things we don't know about, that's all. Be it espionage, aliens, war(games) EUCH I'm so fed up with it all. Wished I couldn't see things so clearly all the time... Sorry for the late response, busy here at work.

No worries. Just friendly conversation is all. Don't feel the need to respond immediately. :)

But yes, there are a lot of things we don't about. But as I said, by definition since we don't know about them, how could we possibly determine "they" are hiding proof of alien visitations? I just cannot see it happening without going through a lot of mental gymnastics to make the theory fit. I don't buy into it is all.

Everybody has a right to an own opinion Ozzfan:) I have proof for myself. I do have an urge to show it to the world (must really stop that, I know) The problem is I can't stand deception and injustice and it's happening all over the world nowadays and there's nothing I can do because of my insignificance, so frustrating...

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Everybody has a right to an own opinion Ozzfan:) I have proof for myself. I do have an urge to show it to the world (must really stop that, I know) The problem is I can't stand deception and injustice and it's happening all over the world nowadays and there's nothing I can do because of my insignificance, so frustrating...

Hanlon's razor comes into play here, and that is: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. What I'm saying is, I don't know what proof you have, but I don't see how one can be so certain their proof is the proof that everyone has been waiting for, but they simply fear they won't be listened to or they will be silenced by "them".

Information should always be shared. But we have to accept that sometimes what we think we see or experience is not really what happened. Sometimes our own insistence on having an explanation for everything even when we don't really understand what we just experienced overrides our natural sense for answers. The real problem though is when we decide we already know the answer and will force the facts to fit our perception and ignore everything else. When that happens, you are no longer seeking answers, but dictating reality to others.

4. The conspiracy freaks love it as it fuels their belief that Governments are concealing the truth from the people.

It just amazes me that alledged Aliens come so far, far away from great distances to abduct some pesant hill-billys or his wife...they couldn't abduct Angleina Jolie, Elle McPhearson or Scarlet Johanson? :D

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Everybody has a right to an own opinion Ozzfan:) I have proof for myself. I do have an urge to show it to the world (must really stop that, I know) The problem is I can't stand deception and injustice and it's happening all over the world nowadays and there's nothing I can do because of my insignificance, so frustrating...

Hanlon's razor comes into play here, and that is: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. What I'm saying is, I don't know what proof you have, but I don't see how one can be so certain their proof is the proof that everyone has been waiting for, but they simply fear they won't be listened to or they will be silenced by "them".

Information should always be shared. But we have to accept that sometimes what we think we see or experience is not really what happened. Sometimes our own insistence on having an explanation for everything even when we don't really understand what we just experienced overrides our natural sense for answers. The real problem though is when we decide we already know the answer and will force the facts to fit our perception and ignore everything else. When that happens, you are no longer seeking answers, but dictating reality to others.

Thanx for your advice Ozzfan but it doesn't apply to me. Nuff said. I will refrain from putting any further information on the boards as the whole world can read them and I have to think of the Safety and well being of my children and I. Should you have any further questions Ozzfan, don't hesitate to pm me:)

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7. The people claiming to have had anal probes are just mentally ill

Or maybe they should have abducted Belladonna?
:D LoL

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It just amazes me that alledged Aliens come so far, far away from great distances to abduct some pesant hill-billys or his wife...they couldn't abduct Angleina Jolie, Elle McPhearson or Scarlet Johanson? :D

If there really were ET's they would rather land in the middle of nowhere with less chance of being spotted, than in a busy city. Then again hill billys are more likely to be off their heads on moonshine!

That's assuming they don't want to be seen, and further assuming there's some sort of Prime Directive a la Star Trek dictating that they must hide their presence until the civilization is ready for First Contact. While those are logical assumptions, I see no reason to believe they are correct assumptions. To be fair, I don't think they are incorrect assumptions either; they are just assumptions. It is just as likely they would announce their presence and land in Times Square.

What I have a hard time accepting is the lack of credible evidence. In today's world of abundant megapixel cameras, we can capture police brutality, public indecency, and various other acts, but we cannot get anything more than grainy video of alleged alien UFOs, unremarkable "tracks" on the ground, and fantastic stories from scientifically unreliable eye witnesses.

It just amazes me that alledged Aliens come so far, far away from great distances to abduct some pesant hill-billys or his wife...they couldn't abduct Angleina Jolie, Elle McPhearson or Scarlet Johanson? :D

If there really were ET's they would rather land in the middle of nowhere with less chance of being spotted, than in a busy city. Then again hill billys are more likely to be off their heads on moonshine!

That's assuming they don't want to be seen, and further assuming there's some sort of Prime Directive a la Star Trek dictating that they must hide their presence until the civilization is ready for First Contact. While those are logical assumptions, I see no reason to believe they are correct assumptions. To be fair, I don't think they are incorrect assumptions either; they are just assumptions. It is just as likely they would announce their presence and land in Times Square.

What I have a hard time accepting is the lack of credible evidence. In today's world of abundant megapixel cameras, we can capture police brutality, public indecency, and various other acts, but we cannot get anything more than grainy video of alleged alien UFOs, unremarkable "tracks" on the ground, and fantastic stories from scientifically unreliable eye witnesses.

One evening we were driving on the motorway, Wingdi and I, and we noticed these flying objects who all came from the same direction in the sky. (first thought it was Venus with the first one) At on time they all stopped on the same spot in the sky and just kept hovering for a few minutes. Wingdi has a smartphone that costs over € 300,00. He couldn't take one clear image although the objects stayed still in the sky for a few minutes. How does one explain that? We looked at the pictures afterwards and we didn't see a thing, just sky. This is what really happened, so help me God. And I'm not some sort of hill billy who doesn't know what she talks about. I had one other 'visible' encounter at home, looking out of the window.

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One evening we were driving on the motorway, Wingdi and I, and we noticed these flying objects who all came from the same direction in the sky. (first thought it was Venus with the first one) At on time they all stopped on the same spot in the sky and just kept hovering for a few minutes. Wingdi has a smartphone that costs over € 300,00. He couldn't take one clear image although the objects stayed still in the sky for a few minutes. How does one explain that? We looked at the pictures afterwards and we didn't see a thing, just sky. This is what really happened, so help me God. And I'm not some sort of hill billy who doesn't know what she talks about. I had one other 'visible' encounter at home, looking out of the window.

You most certainly had an odd experience. But if you don't know what it was, why are you answering the unknown with such certainty?

One evening we were driving on the motorway, Wingdi and I, and we noticed these flying objects who all came from the same direction in the sky. (first thought it was Venus with the first one) At on time they all stopped on the same spot in the sky and just kept hovering for a few minutes. Wingdi has a smartphone that costs over € 300,00. He couldn't take one clear image although the objects stayed still in the sky for a few minutes. How does one explain that? We looked at the pictures afterwards and we didn't see a thing, just sky. This is what really happened, so help me God. And I'm not some sort of hill billy who doesn't know what she talks about. I had one other 'visible' encounter at home, looking out of the window.

You most certainly had an odd experience. But if you don't know what it was, why are you answering the unknown with such certainty?

That's where the material world leaves us and the spiritual world makes an entry. I told you before I'm quite afraid of the spiritual world but it does exist and a lot of answers are to be found there.

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