I'll lay odds that those that manage to return unscathed will no longer be part of any Human Rights Brigade!

yep i agree

Hey you moved to Bermuda mate , had enough of that pommy rain and cold ? Or you on a holiday .

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Hey you moved to Bermuda mate , had enough of that pommy rain and cold ? Or you on a holiday .

Just wants to be closer to the colony's

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The Art of War is not an art you understand or are talented in.

Coming from a bookworm with no experience himself to rely on is insulting to say the least.

It's amazing what you can learn from books. They are so powerful that now and again dictators have to burn them.

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You would think that we'd have higher ethics and morals these days for this sort of crap not to go on. :-(

Obviously some of us don't sadly. :-O

Why can't we all just get along?

Cheers.

As for my experience, we are talking long term strategic policy here. Non of you has any actual experience with that (unless one of you was President of a nuclear power or some Commander in Chief of some countries armed forces), but it is exactly what I've been studying. Theoretical knowledge beats your complete lack of knowledge, be it practical or theoretical.

That's why the planet is in a world of crap! Too many with their heads stuck in books & insulting to others when they attain a position in power. In other words, they've learnt nothing but how to put their views on what they've learnt in effect...

...& hate being proven wrong.

At the cost of lives I might add. Usually your own soldiers.
I can read a book on Karate. But that sure as hell dont mean I can kick ass.

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Well using a book buy a long dead general at a time when there was not the means of wiping out a whole country is stupid . His tactics are useless in today's wars

Well for one, Sun Tzu doesn't give advice on tactics, he gives advice on strategy. And while you might think that his advice is irrelevant in todays world, you would be wrong. Those who have succesfully applied the lessons found in the Art of War have prospered while those that didn't listen have lost. Where the Taliban and ISIS use some of the lessons from the Art of War and have succeeded, and before them the Vietcong and North Vietnam and before them Mao Zedong and his communist army, the West continuously ignores Sun Tzu's lessons and hasn't managed to win a single one of those wars. And mind you, this all happened during a time where the West did have access to nuclear weapons.

Have we not tried to cut there money flow off , umm yep but it hasn't worked .

We haven't succeeded in cutting off their money flow. And we never really bothered to look where they got their money from in the first place.

Micheal you remind me of all those so called people in the know whom sent and planed the Gallipoli campain and look what happen'd there .

You don't know me well enough to make such a comparison work. And I doubt you know the people that planned the Gallipoli campaing well enough as well.

We would be better if we use Roman tactics . Kill them all and raise there towns and city's to the ground .

Roman tactics were to take them into the empire and give them an education. Which then backfired in spectacular ways.

But sure, genocide and committing war crimes is the better alternative.

I fear for Western civilization when we produce people who honestly think that committing Genocide and other war crimes are acceptable strategies.

We must use the same tactic's as them and even go a bit beyond that to make it very clear this is not going to be tolerated and we are not scared of them until we do that we are going to lose and it will spread . Simple fact so far all the tactics have not worked because we are not committed enough to do the job properly and they know this so we have lost the war before it even started .

And you honestly believe that there is a single thing on this planet that can scare people who are fanatical enough to be willing to blow themselves up for their cause? There is absolutely nothing that you can do that scares them as long as they have that fanatical mindset. So be as brutal as you like, all it does is hurt your own cause. You would literally be aiding the enemy.

Your idea of a good strategy is literally criminal and insane. Criminal because it would break every law we ever set for ourselves and insane because this has been tried before and it has never worked. You propose we do the exact same thing and expect a different result this time.

That's why the planet is in a world of crap! Too many with their heads stuck in books & insulting to others when they attain a position in power. In other words, they've learnt nothing but how to put their views on what they've learnt in effect...

...& hate being proven wrong.

At the cost of lives I might add. Usually your own soldiers.
I can read a book on Karate. But that sure as hell dont mean I can kick ass.[/quote]
Well the only one who has been proven wrong here are the people that argue Sun Tzu's lessons don't apply to them, while the people that understand and apply Sun Tzu's lessons continue to come out on top in conflicts.

And that comparison is really ridiculous. Karate is a set of move's and techniques. Those can't be learned from a book. The Art of War on the other hand deals with overall strategies about the general use of war. Its lessons are broad and lay out a set of principles that leaders should keep in mind. Its not a guarantee that you win if you understand and apply the lessons of Sun Tzu, but they can increase your effectiveness significantly.

Well using a book buy a long dead general at a time when there was not the means of wiping out a whole country is stupid . His tactics are useless in today's wars

They are teaching long dead generals strategies at military achademies even today:)
Norman Swartzkopf, commander of Operation Desertstorm, used some ancient greek strategy he learned at West Point when fighting in Iraq. He was very proud when he talked about it in an interview.

Micheal the art of war did not stop the Mogals . I have not read his book but i have seen a doco on it . If his tactics where so dam good why did the Chinese build the wall .
Also i have not said we should commit genocide . I suggest you look the word up .

I am advocating we kill all the jihadis , seeing as they are made up of many country's killing them all is not genocide as i am not advocating blowing up the country's they come from .

You talk like that other person whom chose to sign a piece deal and then Hitler attcked England we have to stop being whimps and stand up to them we drop 1 nuke on them and they will get very scared as they will think we will commit genicide .

The art of war is to make your ememy think they can't win no matter what we do and that is what they are doing and understand the art of war much better then we seem to

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Micheal the art of war did not stop the Mogals . I have not read his book but i have seen a doco on it . If his tactics where so dam good why did the Chinese build the wall .
Also i have not said we should commit genocide . I suggest you look the word up .

Mogals? Geez man, I know your English sucks but now you are just combining factions (Mongols and the Mugals).

Secondly, there could be various reasons for why the Chinese build their wall. It could be that they didn't listen to Sun Tzu's lessons themselves and as a result were unable to overcome the Mongols. Or they did listen and exactly because of that build the wall (to rely not on the enemy not attacking, but rather on the fact that we have made our positions unassailable).

I am advocating we kill all the jihadis , seeing as they are made up of many country's killing them all is not genocide as i am not advocating blowing up the country's they come from .

As dumb and pointless as saying that the Allied tactics in WW2 were to simply 'kill all Nazis'. Killing people is not a strategy, its a result that flows out of combat tactics. You are advocating combat tactics without an overall purpose to work to.

You talk like that other person whom chose to sign a piece deal and then Hitler attcked England we have to stop being whimps and stand up to them we drop 1 nuke on them and they will get very scared as they will think we will commit genicide .

I'm not saying we should sign a peace treaty with the Jihadi's. First you compare me to a bunch of military planners of a disastrous campaign and now to Chamberlain. Can you please stop making these idiotic comparisons to historical persons?

Also, what makes you think that people who are not afraid to die for their cause will be scared of nukes? Right, they won't get scared. At the same time, what do you think the consequences are of dropping a nuke on say Pakistan or Afghanistan? Right, you broke the taboo on nuclear weapons. In direct terms, that means the people of Afghanistan and their allies in the Middle East will hate you and start to fully support Al Quada, because you tried to nuke them. In indirect terms, you made yourself a pariah state in the international community, because you used a WMD to kill a bunch of goat herders with AK-47's.

So its an extremely counter productive idea.

The art of war is to make your ememy think they can't win no matter what we do and that is what they are doing and understand the art of war much better then we seem to

Yes and your suggestions do highlight your ignorance on the Art of War quite nicely.

& what better approach than to give them what they want - A territory of their own without any interference from the West. However, like anything else in life, there is a price to pay!

That price is that Islam will no longer be tolerated in the West. Do what you want - We won't interfere, but Allah help you should you try your tricks again in the West, as this time around as we did not interfere with you, we will commit until you cower.

BUT, that's not civil? Try to educate them instead. Who do you think is controlling them from mid to high levels of command? Some ignorant goat herder with an AK47 as you put it?

The New Approach 'is' To Let People with The New Approach, approach The Problem and Take Care of 'It', all by Their Lonesomes.

We Will Find Out Who these People are and Find Out if their New Approach Works.

What, a couple years, decades? As Long as 'They' Pay for 'it', and 'They' are the Sole Approachers.

Yep.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

2 Militants hanged

Sad old narrative

Dangers of Desensitisation

3 very good reports & well worth reading.

Glenn Savill, Kickin' Brainiac Ass.

Yep.

Nope

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Thanks Gooba you approve then ? :)

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Brainiac Apprentice said:

Thanks Gooba you approve then ? :)

I Approve, Any Time a Superb Intellect goes tête-à-tête with a Self-Aggrandized Wunderkind as you.

Reminds me of me, when I was One.

Wish One Of You Meisters would Tell Me what New Approach 'is' Gunna Turn this Vrold into A Haven of Tranquility. When Rivers of Blood stop flowing in Pursuit of HuWoMan's Need for Killing Each Other.

Personally, I Would Smote The Baddie without Prejudice. All GODLike.

Yep

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

That's why the planet is in a world of crap! Too many with their heads stuck in books & insulting to others when they attain a position in power. In other words, they've learnt nothing but how to put their views on what they've learnt in effect...

...& hate being proven wrong.

At the cost of lives I might add. Usually your own soldiers.
I can read a book on Karate. But that sure as hell dont mean I can kick ass.

Well the only one who has been proven wrong here are the people that argue Sun Tzu's lessons don't apply to them, while the people that understand and apply Sun Tzu's lessons continue to come out on top in conflicts.

And that comparison is really ridiculous. Karate is a set of move's and techniques. Those can't be learned from a book. The Art of War on the other hand deals with overall strategies about the general use of war. Its lessons are broad and lay out a set of principles that leaders should keep in mind. Its not a guarantee that you win if you understand and apply the lessons of Sun Tzu, but they can increase your effectiveness significantly.[/quote]
DUH that was my whole point. Just because you read a book dosent mean you can kick ass. Get it?

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DUH that was my whole point. Just because you read a book dosent mean you can kick ass. Get it?

Those that do & can kick ass & don't read books end up labelled as psychopaths by those who can't kick ass yet read books!

Personally, I Would Smote The Baddie without Prejudice. All GODLike.

And you say i'm a Self-Aggrandized Wunderkind

I just think that nothing has worked so far . So i'll just sit here and wait till you all realize what is going on and then i'll say i told you so . Don't worry you wont have to much longer to wait .

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