That only works if they want a democratically elected government. The assumption that they want a democratically elected government is false, hence the mess.

We don't have to install a new government because we are not removing the old one.

Bush Jr., following European Thought of Superiority Over Other's, attempted to impose a Foreign Concept upon Afghanistan and Iraq. Worked very well. Didn't it?

Oh please, Bush was far from the first to do it. Remember what the US did in the Philippines? Or South America? Or all those dictators that the US put in power?

Also I'm saying we don't have to impose any ideas here on anyone.

I agree with Clyde we are not brutal enough.
Mybe pakistan should use 1 or 2 of there nukes on the area the taliban is and then they may wake up and stop .

or has everyone forgotten that country has nukes .......

What would happen if they the taliban win ?

ANOTHER 911 but there won't be just 3,000 people dead but 100's of thousands

So maybe it's time to throw the geneva convention out the window and hit hard in fact wipe the S.O.B's off the planet .Push them back into a small area then nuke them all women children all off them . Give them 2 days to lay there weapons down and completly surrnder and if they don't BOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMM
And send a message to all the Jihad nutter around the world there next .

Remember todays child will be tomorrows jihad nutter. The Romans knew this and why they raised the town or city's that tried to oppose them and killed everyone even the children.

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One of the big problems these days is country's or groups like the taliban think that the west does not have the guts to use a nuke and so they keep fighting thinking all the time they can win but if we show them we will be as butal and even more brutal then they will become as scared as they are trying to make us .

before anybody starts i will remind you all of a story in the bible i think it is about a group of people that took on the Romans and after a long siege the Roman started to build a ramp to get over there walls of the city that was on top of a platoe . When the people saw there was no way out and they would all die as soon as the Romans had finsihed there ramp they killed themslf's all of them died .

So push them back into a small remote area and tell them we will nuke you if you don't lay there weapon down and surrender and see what happens will they kill themself's or doom them self's to the incinerator BOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM. No 40 virgins waiting for them if they kill themself's

Yes i know it would be seen as cruel or wrong but to win a war you need to use tacktics that are brutal. leaders in the past that used unorthodox tactics allway won the day , being a gentleman so to speak means you lose .

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One of the big problems these days is country's or groups like the taliban think that the west does not have the guts to use a nuke and so they keep fighting thinking all the time they can win but if we show them we will be as butal and even more brutal then they will become as scared as they are trying to make us .
before anybody starts i will remind you all of a story in the bible i think it is about a group of people that took on the Romans and after a long siege the Roman started to build a ramp to get over there walls of the city that was on top of a platoe . When the people saw there was no way out and they would all die as soon as the Romans had finsihed there ramp they killed themslf's all of them died .
So push them back into a small remote area and tell them we will nuke you if you don't lay there weapon down and surrender and see what happens will they kill themself's or doom them self's to the incinerator BOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM. No 40 virgins waiting for them if they kill themself's
Yes i know it would be seen as cruel or wrong but to win a war you need to use tacktics that are brutal. leaders in the past that used unorthodox tactics allway won the day , being a gentleman so to speak means you lose .

Now you make me scared...
Nukes are a terrorist weapon.
If we (West) have a problem with the middle east and tries to solve it by brute force...
Hmmm...

One of the big problems these days is country's or groups like the taliban think that the west does not have the guts to use a nuke and so they keep fighting thinking all the time they can win but if we show them we will be as butal and even more brutal then they will become as scared as they are trying to make us .
before anybody starts i will remind you all of a story in the bible i think it is about a group of people that took on the Romans and after a long siege the Roman started to build a ramp to get over there walls of the city that was on top of a platoe . When the people saw there was no way out and they would all die as soon as the Romans had finsihed there ramp they killed themslf's all of them died .
So push them back into a small remote area and tell them we will nuke you if you don't lay there weapon down and surrender and see what happens will they kill themself's or doom them self's to the incinerator BOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM. No 40 virgins waiting for them if they kill themself's
Yes i know it would be seen as cruel or wrong but to win a war you need to use tacktics that are brutal. leaders in the past that used unorthodox tactics allway won the day , being a gentleman so to speak means you lose .

Now you make me scared...
Nukes are a terrorist weapon.
If we (West) have a problem with the middle east and tries to solve it by brute force...
Hmmm...

They attack and murder us, because we Exist. The MUST kill us, because we are not Them. That is Their 1000 year History.
Their 'Means' of Mass Murdering as 'Improved', and they will deploy them against us.
Our 'Means' has also improved, and we will also use them.
Understand: They are NOT reacting to Our Response. We are Responding to Them.

The Us and Theme rethoric:(

Don't take me wong Jan i would rather they live life the way the koran says but if they don't wish to do that then they are fare game . As your last post shows if we start to use brutal force against them they will to become scared and stop but at the moment they don't think we will so they wont change.
Attacking a school for the reason of , those kids will grow up and join the army and then come after them is total b/s .Untill we show them we are not going to take this crap anymore and have decided to wipe them off this earth things won't change.

kids wont stop trying to touch the hot plate on a cooker no matter how many time you tell them to not do it , until they burn themself and this is no different

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Islamic State Penal Code Promises Crucifixion, Lashing for Unbelievers

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/islamic-state-penal-code-promises-crucifixion-lashing-for-unbelievers/

ISIS Slaughters 150 Females in Iraq for Refusing to Marry, Have Sex with Them

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/12/17/isis-slaughters-150-females-in-iraq-for-refusing-to-marry-have-sex-with-militants/

This is OUR Enemy.

Despite the Stillness of much Western Thinking: There is NO Moral Equivalency.

This is Pure Evil. Correct?

Correct.

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Clyde since the Lindt cafe incedent my veiws are a bit more harsher why .

What many of you will not know is that where is happened there is a meeting place for homeless people whom geather there at 4.30pm to 6 pm . 2 or 3 people will walk down to the MLC centre food hall , and as the shops close they pack all the food up in boxes that would have ben thrown out but insead of throwing it out it is given to the homeless and we would take it back to the meeting place oppiste the Lindt cafe and everyone that is there helps themslf's . So for 2 day's the homeless had nohing to eat untill 9pm when the salvo's would turn up with coffe tea biscults and sandwitches and because of this twit not even that happend so a lot of people had there lives made harder because of this twit and went hungry . As someone that lived on the streets of sydney for a while homeless i am realy angry he did what he did where he did it . So uck them all i say now . Drop the nukes and stop these f wits now .

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if we start to use brutal force against them they will to become scared and stop but at the moment they don't think we will so they wont change.

Glenn...
That is Historically Correct.
The Jihadists, in the 1970's, made a determination they could win. IE: A Caliph from Spain to India (their goal), and The West would not make a 'Serious' effort to stop them, and we have not - yet.
As their 1000 year old 'Dream' has shown: They Always go 'Too Far', and the 'Response' is Horrific. The Jihadists then basically say 'OK - Not This Generation. Hopefully our Grandchildren will win'.
That is the history.
“The only thing new in the world is the history you do not know.”
― Harry S. Truman

Historically Correct?
I would say no.
The Caliphate era started as early almost 1400 years ago.
One example is Umayyad Caliphate of Córdoba in Spain.
And both Caliph, christians and jews have lived together for centuries.
The real problem has started in this centuary.

Clyde since the Lindt cafe incedent my veiws are a bit more harsher why .

What many of you will not know is that where is happened there is a meeting place for homeless people whom geather there at 4.30pm to 6 pm . 2 or 3 people will walk down to the MLC centre food hall , and as the shops close they pack all the food up in boxes that would have ben thrown out but insead of throwing it out it is given to the homeless and we would take it back to the meeting place oppiste the Lindt cafe and everyone that is there helps themslf's . So for 2 day's the homeless had nohing to eat untill 9pm when the salvo's would turn up with coffe tea biscults and sandwitches and because of this twit not even that happend so a lot of people had there lives made harder because of this twit and went hungry . As someone that lived on the streets of sydney for a while homeless i am realy angry he did what he did where he did it . So uck them all i say now . Drop the nukes and stop these f wits now .

A lone wolf committing atrocities and we should start a nuclear war?

A lone wolf committing atrocities and we should start a nuclear war?

no not start a war we are allready in a war Jan i'm saying let's stop f-ing around and stand up to them and stop the war . And they will not learn until we start to treat them the same way they are treating us . push them into a small remote area give them one last chance to stop it and start being good muslims or burn them all the way to hell . it will only take 1 nuke and it will stop . Not even there caves will protect them from a nuke

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A lone wolf committing atrocities and we should start a nuclear war?

no not start a war we are allready in a war Jan i'm saying let's stop f-ing around and stand up to them and stop the war . And they will not learn until we start to treat them the same way they are treating us . push them into a small remote area give them one last chance to stop it and start being good muslims or burn them all the way to hell . it will only take 1 nuke and it will stop . Not even there caves will protect them from a nuke

If you could isolate these war criminals and use nukes to kill them then I'm all in.
But how to do that? Many more innocent peoples will be killed:(

Not if we push them into a remote area only those that folow the leaders will die . I dought it there would be women or children in the area and if we did it right and quick they will not have time to organise hostages as they will be to busy fighting and running away , then when there in a remote enough place drop the bomb ,or use smaller tacticale nukes but that will mean more that 1 will have to be used then there won't be a big problem with radiation going into heaverly populated areas .

Jan the only way to stop a bully is to stand up to him and then you usually find there whimps and will leave you alone or be your bitch . If we keep backing down we will lose this fight and it will encourge others to do the same thing which is what we are seeing

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if we start to use brutal force against them they will to become scared and stop but at the moment they don't think we will so they wont change.

Glenn...
That is Historically Correct.
The Jihadists, in the 1970's, made a determination they could win. IE: A Caliph from Spain to India (their goal), and The West would not make a 'Serious' effort to stop them, and we have not - yet.
As their 1000 year old 'Dream' has shown: They Always go 'Too Far', and the 'Response' is Horrific. The Jihadists then basically say 'OK - Not This Generation. Hopefully our Grandchildren will win'.
That is the history.
“The only thing new in the world is the history you do not know.”
― Harry S. Truman

Historically Correct?
I would say no.
The Caliphate era started as early almost 1400 years ago.
One example is Umayyad Caliphate of Córdoba in Spain.
And both Caliph, christians and jews have lived together for centuries.
The real problem has started in this centuary.

Correct about 1400 +/- years.
Yes - The Modern Ideas are approximately 140 years.
But the Ideal is 1000 years old.
This is about Restoring Greatness.

Restoring Greatness:)
I Think I have heard it before.
Maybe its about time to restore the Swedish empire (and with help from other Scandinavian countries) and impose our standards to the World:)
(Forgot that we are living in a new millenium)

Maybe its about time to restore the Swedish empire (and with help from other Scandinavian countries) and impose our standards to the World:)

I have no problem with that you swed's are good people . With a fair and honest legal system and laws . I dought you would do anything like what we have seen in Afganstan or Iraq or Siria . Women in your country have the same rights as men and are treated reasonaly good .

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Yeh Clyde that didn't work to well in Afganistan when we had them in there bunker on that mountain they still got away and they where surounded and being carpet bombed then . if you guys had just droped one nuke on that mountain we would have got them all inculing Bin Laden . Carpet bombing didn't work to well on the veit con either . In fact capet bombing has had limited success ever since aircraft where used to drop bombs . Hitler tryed it and failed even the allies failled most of the time in wwII with a few exceptions .

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Then how come Bin Laden got away ??? And so did many of his men !!

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Never advocated Nuke's, except for Tactical Nuke's against Jihadist Iran's Nuclear Weapons Production Facilities (Necessary to destroy).

A problem is that ISIS are aiming for the Nuclear Weapons Production Facilities in Iran

Never advocated Nuke's, except for Tactical Nuke's against Jihadist Iran's Nuclear Weapons Production Facilities (Necessary to destroy).

A problem is that ISIS are aiming for the Nuclear Weapons Production Facilities in Iran

see there you go . If we don't get them first they won't hesitate to get us and we all know who the target will be and then it will on for young and old .

Clyde you Americans have to learn to forgive , Iran has changed . We need to help them not make them our ememy . most of the jihadi's come from Sudia Arabia and it's them freaking Sudia's we need to watch , there the one's bankrolling the jihadi's .

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