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Message 1671723 - Posted: 29 Apr 2015, 23:39:14 UTC - in response to Message 1671181.  



...Are the current feminists against successful women because...

A: They made it in a man's world
B: They're stunningly beautiful & used that beauty to achieve their success
C: A+B

...whereas they are fat & frumpy, unattractive, been abused, lack self confidence & rather than change their outlook, attack others?

It seems in today's world, men are seen as a target by these "feminists" yet do not attack those women whose motto is: -

"If you've got it, flaunt it" & do financially well from that.

It would be nice if "women" all sang from the same hymn book, until that happens, we'll continue to see these "battles"

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Thanks Sirius you got it . Yes Bloke are more likely to abuse there partner but I would not say they are in the majority .

As for wolf whistling .

My wife said one time after I said you like me being a oxtopus and she turned around and said not all the time !

So from a blokes point of view your damend if you don't and damend if you do .

I would say to women that get wolf whistles stop turn to the guys and take a bow and blow them a kiss as it normally means your a good looker

After all your not going to change some things guys do so take it for what it is a compliment you only get a bad reaction from boof heads like that if you don't take it as a joke

How ever what those guys did by blocking her was a bit to far

You women can't say you don't use verbal abuse like men use physical because that is your choisce of weapon .
Women do , do most of the infanticide crimes

And how many times have guys herd if you leave me i'll take you for everything you got witch I think is a attitude a lot of women have .

That attitude is why you here a lot of women saying I can't find a good man , that's because there to dam scared the woman will walk out and take him for everything

Do I think women are abused yes but there are a surprising amount of men also that get abused you just don't here about it .

Humans are animals and both can and do abuse . I'm with you Sirius the women lib thing is taken to far sometimes .
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Message 1671728 - Posted: 29 Apr 2015, 23:51:11 UTC - in response to Message 1671711.  
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... I have to say that the responses and attitudes of many of the men on this forum have confirmed everything I thought I knew about how men treat women and the unacknowledged sexism of this world. There are far too many here who start a sentence with "I'm not sexist, I love women" then proceed to make the most offensive, ignorant statements about women that conform to every patriarchal stereotype possible.

It is sad.

I agree and my opinion of some on this thread has been rather dented. I was hoping we'd moved on from the stereotypes of the "'er indoors" and "Cor blimey Page 3" days. For some here, sadly blindly not.

In academia at least, some of the comments seen on this thread would be grounds for reprimand/dismissal or at the very least a very educating ostracizing from fellow peers.


Curiously, there has been no response dared against my male directed in-kind example harassment. Note that was based on a real world event recently in my local pub except the perpetrator was male and the target female. Replace the word silver with blond, and...

The sheer force of stares against the perpetrator made for enough visible peer pressure to call a halt to further crassness. Two barmen politely but firmly ushered the miscreant out in a very British manner. All with impressively little fuss.

The very healthy atmosphere there makes for a good and genuine evening out. Very good is that there is a healthy mix in that 1/3rd of the regulars are women including some all-women groups/friends.


All a question of upbringing and culture and education?

Certain trash sensationalism newspapers and trash TV stereotypes 'educate' a far too unhealthy a message regarding women...


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Message 1671729 - Posted: 29 Apr 2015, 23:51:21 UTC - in response to Message 1671714.  

Your post implies that there is equality, which there is not.
It is sad.

From an earlier post today from me.
AFAIK all genders are affected to Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking,...
Females the most but also males and others.

Thats sad to me...

Whats even more sad is that you implies that males doesn't have the same problems...
Equality?

I'll repeat this again and I am sorry if you don't understand it, but considering the wealth of ignorance displayed in this thread I simply do not have time to educate all of you.

This thread is about women and the terrible things that are done to them because they are women.

If you wish to talk about male rape, or male slavery, or males being murdered, or males earning less than women, or males being oppressed, or male genital mutilation (aka circumcision) please feel absolutely free to start your own thread about it. No one is stopping you.

However, that is not the topic of this thread. I see no reason why it should be except yet another example of males taking over something that was meant for women.
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Message 1671734 - Posted: 29 Apr 2015, 23:58:48 UTC - in response to Message 1671723.  

Humans are animals and both can and do abuse

Yes Glenn. Thats very true.
Humans and animals now have three genders. Female, male and other.
That's making this thread very odd.
Are victimized females suffering more than then two other victimized genders?
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Message 1671737 - Posted: 30 Apr 2015, 0:04:06 UTC - in response to Message 1671729.  
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... This thread is about women and the terrible things that are done to them because they are women...

I'd place the emphasis the other way around.

The problem is not that of women being women. The root problem is the bad attitudes that some men have against women.

Unfortunately, various of those bad attitudes are dangerously and stubbornly blindly held in upbringing and culture and in state laws and even in parts of the church.


Note how Jesus garnered notoriety amongst the then churches of the day for bringing women into religion as EQUALS...

And yet Mary Magdalene has almost been eradicated from the bible...


I've greatly benefited from my surroundings where women are very much equal and can be themselves. Shame a large part of the rest of the world misses out on that.

Even a greater shame when some women resign themselves to playing the part of the stereotypes expected of them... Such is the force of the narrative of others' expectation?


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Message 1671738 - Posted: 30 Apr 2015, 0:04:57 UTC - in response to Message 1671729.  

This thread is about women and the terrible things that are done to them because they are women.
However, that is not the topic of this thread. I see no reason why it should be except yet another example of males taking over something that was meant for women.

Ok. You Think you must seperate female and male problems.
I Believe we have the same problems no matter of gender.
So how do Think you can solve this problem with such an attitude of yours?
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Message 1671740 - Posted: 30 Apr 2015, 0:07:15 UTC - in response to Message 1671738.  


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I Believe we have the same problems no matter of gender.
...

Well you'd be wrong.
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Message 1671741 - Posted: 30 Apr 2015, 0:07:57 UTC - in response to Message 1671734.  

Humans are animals and both can and do abuse

Yes Glenn. Thats very true.
Humans and animals now have three genders. Female, male and other.
That's making this thread very odd.
Are victimized females suffering more than then two other victimized genders?


Why don't you just stop. The title of the thread is: Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking...(#2)

Again, it is about all women, if you wish to open another thread to discuss the three genders please feel free.

You and the other unreconstructed males in this thread are just proving the points we are trying to make.
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Message 1671744 - Posted: 30 Apr 2015, 0:09:33 UTC - in response to Message 1671585.  

Replace women by men and let me know how accommodating you'd be then...and before you claim "but I am not attracted to men" I can assure you that most women are not attracted to the men who make comments at them. They may think they look like Brad Pitt, but trust me, I have yet to come across one that actually does.
Equally so, depends how well they tip.

Then go and be a male stripper. That is your choice, you liked it, but what if you didn't? Would it still be ok for people do this to you? Or don't we get a choice?
Haven't really got the physique for that.

I meant sex. I clearly meant sex. I have never had someone shout "nice shoes" at me. I have had men shout "nice t*ts" at me. Its about sex. Not about making someone feel good. Its about asserting dominance.
You seem to have a very one sided view of sex. If your experience of sex is all about asserting dominance rather than feeling good then you need a better partner.

Nope, never said that.
If you think i did then you're projecting, if you're playing dumb then stop it, it doesn't suit you.
I think my response is covered above.

Simon. You did imply that, you just refuse to follow it through, so don't play dumb with me, and don't you dare patronise me. It doesn't work for you.
I'm not going to argue over whatever is happening in your head.
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Message 1671745 - Posted: 30 Apr 2015, 0:10:43 UTC - in response to Message 1671738.  

Ok. You Think you must seperate female and male problems.
I Believe we have the same problems no matter of gender.
So how do Think you can solve this problem with such an attitude of yours?

Ugh, the 'Im not racist because I dont see color' argument only redesigned to use for discussions about sexism.
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Message 1671747 - Posted: 30 Apr 2015, 0:17:05 UTC - in response to Message 1671737.  

And yet Mary Magdalene has almost been eradicated from the bible...

Not by Leonardi da Vinci. On the other hand he's belived to be a homosexual.

Maria Magdalena is sitting to the right of Jesus.
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Message 1671749 - Posted: 30 Apr 2015, 0:22:01 UTC - in response to Message 1671741.  

Why don't you just stop. The title of the thread is: Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking...(#2)
Again, it is about all women, if you wish to open another thread to discuss the three genders please feel free.
You and the other unreconstructed males in this thread are just proving the points we are trying to make.

Ok I'm off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Message 1671751 - Posted: 30 Apr 2015, 0:26:06 UTC - in response to Message 1671745.  

Ok. You Think you must seperate female and male problems.
I Believe we have the same problems no matter of gender.
So how do Think you can solve this problem with such an attitude of yours?

Ugh, the 'Im not racist because I dont see color' argument only redesigned to use for discussions about sexism.

Excellent point succinctly made.
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Message 1671753 - Posted: 30 Apr 2015, 0:28:27 UTC - in response to Message 1671744.  

You seem to have a very one sided view of sex. If your experience of sex is all about asserting dominance rather than feeling good then you need a better partner.

Well this is the rather nasty "all you need is a good lay" argument repackaged, isn't it?

..but well done, you've gone from merely offending me to now offending my husband.
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Message 1671755 - Posted: 30 Apr 2015, 0:38:16 UTC
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Does "sex" = "dominance"?...

Like most things that has to be a case of how 'whatever' is done for what circumstances...


Very unfortunately for "sex", we seem to have some very unhealthy and dangerous views proffered by trash media and misogynistic religions. All that always makes for a difficult upbringing for all concerned...

And then add the cruel Marketing twists for making money and the people be damned... "Page 3" of trash newspapers is only a tame exploitative start. (And yes that is all very coercive. How far are you happy to bribed to forgo morals and blushes to enjoy 'retirement' after a very few years?...)

(Even more silly is why "Page 3" is seen as anything special in any case!! We see naked animals around us all the time!)


I would hope that our culture and laws had improved since the bad old days but we still have a long way to go yet from how this thread has degenerated from all the ignorant male input!

Male gorilla warfare towards women? Great shame really for those too blind or dim to realize they are missing out on so much more...


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Message 1671766 - Posted: 30 Apr 2015, 1:28:46 UTC

Ess you say the thread is about women being abused but all i'm saying is it's not always men that do it women will abuse too so why do we only here of when men do it what about women doing some of this stuff

AKA: Recently there has been 2 cases of women abandoning there children 1 was found in a sand dune at a part of a beach not used or visitted by many people and may have been harf buried . The other child was found in a storm water drain and would have died had it rained had it not been found by 2 kids playing in that area .

I'm having trouble with this thread as it seems to be about men basing and would like to see some women at least admit it's not the man's fault all the time and sometimes women are there own enemy and can be just as responsible as men for doing some of this this stuff .

Even Men can end up in Slavery and very very rear even raped but i would think most men would not tell for fear of being called a whimp
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Message 1671771 - Posted: 30 Apr 2015, 1:37:25 UTC - in response to Message 1671766.  

Ess you say the thread is about women being abused but all i'm saying is it's not always men that do it women will abuse too so why do we only here of when men do it what about women doing some of this stuff

There is a massive, global, systemic problem with how women are treated. What you are talking about is a completely different issue.

AKA: Recently there has been 2 cases of women abandoning there children 1 was found in a sand dune at a part of a beach not used or visitted by many people and may have been harf buried . The other child was found in a storm water drain and would have died had it rained had it not been found by 2 kids playing in that area .

And tragic as that is, it still has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

I'm having trouble with this thread as it seems to be about men basing and would like to see some women at least admit it's not the man's fault all the time and sometimes women are there own enemy and can be just as responsible as men for doing some of this this stuff .

How can we fix the problem if men refuse to take any responsibility for the way they behave?

Even Men can end up in Slavery and very very rear even raped but i would think most men would not tell for fear of being called a whimp

I agree. Please go ahead and start a thread about how the patriarchy is bad for men in that it portrays any so called 'feminine' characteristics as negative.

I totally agree that the patriarchy is not good for men either.
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Message 1671778 - Posted: 30 Apr 2015, 2:03:58 UTC - in response to Message 1671771.  

Ess you say the thread is about women being abused but all i'm saying is it's not always men that do it women will abuse too so why do we only here of when men do it what about women doing some of this stuff

There is a massive, global, systemic problem with how women are treated. What you are talking about is a completely different issue.


yes i agree 100% i don't agree thou it's only because of MSP syndrome there are other reasons for that and we can thank things like the Bible and Koran for many of these veiws and it would also depend on the Country .

Take India , it has a very bad reputation and it's not only because of religion but also there Class system where men and women get abused in very simular ways less 1 sexually over there is a lot about people being thought of as a lower type of human .

middle east it's more about religion

Africa you find there women wear the pants and men are lazy but there it the women that have allowed it to happen by not telling there men to get of there butt it's all got to do with tradition and primitive tradition at that

In the west women have a attitude oh well if it doesn't work out i can take him for what ever he's got and why men are the way they are these days because of the laws .

I realy do think they need to teach the book Men are From Mars and Women are from Venus at school and then we might just see attitudes change on both sides of the fence in stead of just blaming men for all the worlds problems
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Message 1671779 - Posted: 30 Apr 2015, 2:05:32 UTC - in response to Message 1671778.  

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In the west women have a attitude oh well if it doesn't work out i can take him for what ever he's got and why men are the way they are these days because of the laws ....

No Glenn. That may be your perception, but there is still a huge problem with the way women are treated in the west and your attitude is part of that problem.
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Message 1671785 - Posted: 30 Apr 2015, 2:21:35 UTC - in response to Message 1671779.  

No Ess you are wrong there

AKA: the playboy mansion those women are there because they all wish to be with Hugh Hefner and his money has nothing to do with it ......

The blonde chick that married the old kogger , Anna Nicole Smith

Ask a women to sign a pre nup and the looks let alone the mouth full you'll get

So i say again it's not always the guys fault .
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