Good for her. I am not sure why she needs the approval of strangers in the street, is she not getting enough from elsewhere?

She is in her sixties.

If wolf whistling is a 'compliment' as men claim, why do they only compliment women? Why don't they shout compliments at other men? If that is all it is, then surely they would be doing that.

Statistically, only between 1% and 5% would be likely to. (Source)

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

Good for her. I am not sure why she needs the approval of strangers in the street, is she not getting enough from elsewhere?

She is in her sixties.

I'm sorry, I don't understand. If it is a compliment, are women in their 60s less deserving of compliments?

If wolf whistling is a 'compliment' as men claim, why do they only compliment women? Why don't they shout compliments at other men? If that is all it is, then surely they would be doing that.

Statistically, only between 1% and 5% would be likely to. (Source)

Again, I don't understand. If it is a compliment, what has it got to do with sex?

Are you suggesting that wolf whistling is about sexual power and therefore inappropriate in public places?

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Reality Internet Personality

I'm sorry, I don't understand. If it is a compliment, are women in their 60s less deserving of compliments?

I hope this is Socratic irony at work here.
What do you imagine the recipient is being complimented on? Their chess rating?

For three years (21-24) i worked part time in a restaurant, serving drinks at the bar. (I was a student, i needed the money). It was a slightly seedy area of town and we'd frequently get hen parties and such in of an evening.

Me being one of the youngest (most of the other staff were at least late thirties) i'd frequently be a 'target' for these groups. I'd get all sorts of comments thrown my way, ranging from 'Hey gorgeous' to 'get your knob out', roughly corresponding with quantity of alcohol consumed, there was also wolf whistling, occasional bottom pinching, requests for group photos (i usually acceded), the first would be fairly normal then they'd start trying to plant kisses on me etc.

Now, does that sound like a fair comparison to this woman being whistled at in the street?
If so then what is she complaining about? I enjoyed every minute, rather miss it actually.

Again, I don't understand. If it is a compliment, what has it got to do with sex?

Stick with 'gender', it's less confusing that way.

Are you suggesting that wolf whistling is about sexual power and therefore inappropriate in public places?

Nope, never said that.
If you think i did then you're projecting, if you're playing dumb then stop it, it doesn't suit you.
I think my response is covered above.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

Not necessarily, Mother nature did a lot of that. Lets go back in time here.

Nature has decreed/decided that men are physically stronger than women, and that it is the female that gets pregnant and gives birth to children to further the human race. Therefore back in the cavemen days it made sense to allocate tasks to the most suitable. So the stronger men went out hunting and killing wild animals to feed the group, whilst the women stayed back in the caves bringing up the children and cooking what the men brought home. Fast forward to the American Red Indian times, and it was the same again. The braves went out to get food, and the women stayed back in camp.

fast forward yet again to the Victorian era, where women were supposed to know their place, and be seen and not heard. Fast forward again to the 1950's where women were supposed to be the dutiful little housewife, staying at home bringing up the kids and warming hubbies slippers by the fire, while she cooked dinner. Many women's magazines of the time had articles on how to keep your man happy, because he had done you the "honour" of marrying you.

Yeah well maybe that dividing of roles made a little bit of sense in cavemen times, but it also ends about there. The moment we settled down and became an agricultural society, that 'traditional' dividing of roles became obsolete. Women worked the land just as hard as men did. And then when the industrial revolution came around, women also worked in the factories. Only halfway through the 19th century, with the introduction of labor laws did women start to lose access to work after they got married, which eventually peaked with the introduction of the nuclear family in the 1950's. But it should be noted here that the nuclear family role pattern is not the norm and has never been the norm. It is in fact a historical anomaly.

Furthermore, the 'traditional' role pattern that did emerge after humanity settled for an agricultural society has absolutely nothing to do with natural differences between men and women. Those distinctions are the result of the patriarchy and are completely arbitrary.

We have come a long way along that journey and we still have a long way to go. but we have made a good start, and it will get better. But it is also fair to say that men and women are by their very natures more suited to certain roles. Most nurses are women because they are better at it, most armed forces are male because they have the aggression factor. The best primary school teachers are women. Although the proportions in all that have been and are changing.

Really? Women are better at nursing? Based on what evidence? If you think that women are better at nursing that is only because you believe in the traditional idea that women are somehow more caring and you simply feel more comfortable being catered by a woman. Most armed forces are male because the aggression factor? Total nonsense, women can serve in the military just as well as men. Don't believe me? Ask the Soviets or really any other military that decided to get along with the times and open up all service branches to women. Besides, the idea that women can't fight in modern armies becomes more ludicrous every day as war is increasingly less physically demanding. The best primary school teachers are not women, it really doesn't make a difference if the teacher is a man or a woman. There are simply more female teachers than there are male teachers at least on the primary school level, but that has more to do with job preferences and the perceived 'masculinity' of a job. Don't forget that not a 100 years ago pretty much all teachers were male.

But let's be honest, religion rules 90% of the world. All the major gods of each religion are male, Archangels, Angels, Cherubims, all male. Disciples all male, most Saints male, priests male, most vicars & Bishops, preachers male, Imams all male etc etc. It is a male oriented world and always has been, there is no point in trying to pretend otherwise.

Pretty sure there are plenty of female deities as well. Or at least, used to be before some monotheistic religion stamped out all local religions. Its really only with monotheism that everything is male centric (although you can argue that with monotheism God is more likely neither man or woman).

I'm sorry, I don't understand. If it is a compliment, are women in their 60s less deserving of compliments?

I hope this is Socratic irony at work here.
What do you imagine the recipient is being complimented on? Their chess rating?

Exactly. The comments are literally the commenter's assessment on how much they want to have sex with the commentee. Unfortunately there is no age limit on the age of the commenter. The last comment made to me was by what appeared to be a 90 year old man. His comment was based on his own preferences and how I fit into what he wanted. I certainly did not feel complimented as it really was all about him and his wants. Which these things usually are.

For three years (21-24) i worked part time in a restaurant, serving drinks at the bar. (I was a student, i needed the money). It was a slightly seedy area of town and we'd frequently get hen parties and such in of an evening.

Me being one of the youngest (most of the other staff were at least late thirties) i'd frequently be a 'target' for these groups. I'd get all sorts of comments thrown my way, ranging from 'Hey gorgeous' to 'get your knob out', roughly corresponding with quantity of alcohol consumed, there was also wolf whistling, occasional bottom pinching, requests for group photos (i usually acceded), the first would be fairly normal then they'd start trying to plant kisses on me etc.

Now, does that sound like a fair comparison to this woman being whistled at in the street?

Replace women by men and let me know how accommodating you'd be then...and before you claim "but I am not attracted to men" I can assure you that most women are not attracted to the men who make comments at them. They may think they look like Brad Pitt, but trust me, I have yet to come across one that actually does.

If so then what is she complaining about? I enjoyed every minute, rather miss it actually.

Then go and be a male stripper. That is your choice, you liked it, but what if you didn't? Would it still be ok for people do this to you? Or don't we get a choice?

Again, I don't understand. If it is a compliment, what has it got to do with sex?

Stick with 'gender', it's less confusing that way.

I meant sex. I clearly meant sex. I have never had someone shout "nice shoes" at me. I have had men shout "nice t*ts" at me. Its about sex. Not about making someone feel good. Its about asserting dominance.

Are you suggesting that wolf whistling is about sexual power and therefore inappropriate in public places?

Nope, never said that.
If you think i did then you're projecting, if you're playing dumb then stop it, it doesn't suit you.
I think my response is covered above.

Simon. You did imply that, you just refuse to follow it through, so don't play dumb with me, and don't you dare patronise me. It doesn't work for you.

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Reality Internet Personality

What??? The teachers "told them off" for masturbating in front of girls in a classroom. Boys will be boys??? Are you for real?

OK challenge, you give me the full name and address of that school, and the dates involved, and I will officially report it to the Department of Education. If Jimmy Saville and his activities can be highlighted after all these years, so can this. The teachers and headmaster/Mistress can be brought to book even now.

Really Chris, you want the name of my old school? Do you want my credit card details too? Considering you haven't always been circumspect about posting my personal information on the boards, I'll think I'll pass.

I did not suggest or intend anything like that, that is the interpretation that you have chosen to put upon it. And I would be very careful about suggesting anything to the contrary if I were you as well. I assume the Libel laws in Canada/USA are similar to the UK.

So we are back to your favorite hobby of threatening people with legal action. How sad. FYI the laws are not the same, and its only libel if its not true, but knock yourself out.

I won't bother replying to anymore of your posts on this topic seeing as you are just going to throw your weight around rather than actually deal with some of your issues.

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Reality Internet Personality

Okay, it seems that there is a lot of projections & assumptions being made on this thread. Let's cut to the chase...

...SEX sells. A well known fact. For feminism to really take off, instead of hitting on men (even though it may need that), get to the root of the problem - Women themselves.

Hugh Heffner & Paul Raymond got extremely rich from sex but how & why? Were the women in their magazines coerced into stripping? Did the Sun coerce the Page 3 girls? - They had choices did they not or is the quote "The ends justify the means" have an effect on that?

As far as I can see, feminism is just like the rail unions of old - ASLEF calls a legitimate strike, the NUR crews work & vice versa. As seen with politicians attitudes towards women, the best place for feminism is to start at the top & work down.

Yours sincerely

Xenophobic Bigoted Sexist Pig.

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Reality Internet Personality

I Think this thread should be renamed "Against All Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking,...".
Gender neutral.

I Think this thread should be renamed "Against All Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking,...".
Gender neutral.

I don't.

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Reality Internet Personality

Hmmn, a fictional professional...

A real professional at work...

""She refused and then said 'if only everybody wanted a caesarean section on a whimper'.

"I realise it was the last resort for me but I was feeling concerned. I didn't think it was appropriate for her to make sarcastic comments like this."

In a letter read out to the tribunal she said: "I will regret what happen for the rest of my life.""

Women attacking women, so what chance do we men have?

& what chance have "ordinary" people when they see so called professionals doing things like this...

Pregnant 10 year old denied life saving abortion

I Think this thread should be renamed "Against All Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking,...".
Gender neutral.

I don't.

But why?
AFAIK all genders are affected to Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking,...
Females the most but also males and others.

A real professional at work...

...

Pregnant 10 year old denied life saving abortion

The Mirror? Why not post things from the National Enquirer and have done with it.

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Reality Internet Personality

I Think this thread should be renamed "Against All Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking,...".
Gender neutral.

I don't.

But why?
AFAIK all genders are affected to Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking,...
Females the most but also males and others.

There is a whole forum where you can make threads on whatever you wish, no one is stopping you talking about these things.

Why do you feel the need to appropriate this one for talking about women's issues? Aren't women sidelined enough for you?

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Reality Internet Personality

A real professional at work...

...

Pregnant 10 year old denied life saving abortion

The Mirror? Why not post things from the National Enquirer and have done with it.

Really? Prove those reports false.

For feminism to really take off, instead of hitting on men (even though it may need that), get to the root of the problem - Women themselves.

So after you've spent yet another fulfilling night with your magazines, then topped up on a page three girl, you then take advantage of the morning rushhour to spew semen all over my skirt - that I have to wash off by hand when I get to work.

How about I snort the contents of both my sinuses over your shirt so that you can wash that off by hand when you get to work? It would be less diseased at least.

Who would be the root of that problem?

Never done that, too busy working & living...

In a letter read out to the tribunal she said: "I will regret what happen for the rest of my life."

...so a woman didn't ridicule another woman then?

Why do you feel the need to appropriate this one for talking about women's issues? Aren't women sidelined enough for you?

Big question mark.
Both women and men are sidelined by both women and men.

...so a woman didn't ridicule another woman then?

and men ridicule other men. None of this has anything to do with sexism. Sexism is when someone treats someone in a negative way simply because of their gender.

Your efforts to derail this conversation with attacks on women shows that you really do not understand the issues and the difference.

Your earlier post, that was essentially victim blaming, was borderline offensive. Quite frankly I don't know if you are doing it to be deliberately offensive or if, sadly, you really do not understand what you are saying.

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Reality Internet Personality

Why do you feel the need to appropriate this one for talking about women's issues? Aren't women sidelined enough for you?

Big question mark.
Both women and men are sidelined by both women and men.

One group is sidelined in this society far more than the other. In which case there has to be extra effort made to create spaces where that group's voice can be heard. Your post implies that there is equality, which there is not.

Men's issues are dealt with seriously every day in every way. This thread is for discussion of women's issues. You are welcome to discuss men's issues in every other thread on this board, which is what happens. You have plenty of space to be heard without appropriating this one too.

I have to say that the responses and attitudes of many of the men on this forum have confirmed everything I thought I knew about how men treat women and the unacknowledged sexism of this world. There are far too many here who start a sentence with "I'm not sexist, I love women" then proceed to make the most offensive, ignorant statements about women that conform to every patriarchal stereotype possible.

It is sad.

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Reality Internet Personality

Your post implies that there is equality, which there is not.
It is sad.

From an earlier post today from me.

AFAIK all genders are affected to Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking,...
Females the most but also males and others.

Thats sad to me...

Whats even more sad is that you implies that males doesn't have the same problems...
Equality?