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Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
No Ess you are wrong there Glenn, do you have any idea why a women might grow up thinking that her worth is based on her looks and that her best way to succeed in life is by marrying and old rich guy? Have you watched Disney movies? Have you noticed that until recently the female in a movie was the prize for the hero? (save the world and get the girl- go watch the latest Transformers movie if you don't believe me)? Have you noticed that if you go into a toy store the girls toys are separated from the boys toys and the boys toys are very different from the girls toys? Have you noticed how women are used as decorations in advertising, movies, pop videos, magazines? Have you played video games where the female character is either shown as busty mishaphen and scantily clad? Often they are also portrayed as the prize for the game (eg Super Mario) and have no actual agency of their own? Have you noticed that we live in a world were 'female' qualities are bad and 'male' ones good (Yes, being called a girl is an insult)? Have you noticed that we live in a world were a female is mainly prized for her looks and not her brains? Have you watched TV and noticed how many women are raped and murdered for our entertainment every. single. night. ? Considering that we raise our girl children in the environment filled with subliminal and constant messaging about what women are and what they are valued for, are you actually blaming them for becoming playboy bunnies? Really? Reality Internet Personality |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Crap i just spent 10 min's giving you a answer to each one then while spell checking i closed the window aahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Have you played video games where the female character is either shown as busty mishaphen and scantily clad? Often they are also portrayed as the prize for the game (eg Super Mario) and have no actual agency of their own a small version of what i was going to put up but can't be botherd So your saying Angelia Jolie is not a good role model ?. She was the star in TOMB Raiders movie which is based on the buxum women in that game...ops i'm in trouble now .......better go hide for a while . |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Have you noticed that we live in a world were a female is mainly prized for her looks and not her brains? Maybe to answer this part we should look to the animal word . Birds of Paradise ! It's the other way round the males are pretty and have to practice a dance all there life to get a mate Baboon troup in Africa where males are also pretty and have to show strength and fight off other males to stay top male and have the Harem and when the females are bored with the male even if he is a good defender can still lose the females as there in charge So why would anyone think Humans are any different never gona change it's nature and having a thinking brain isn't going to change that attitude |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Have you noticed that if you go into a toy store the girls toys are separated from the boys toys and the boys toys are very different from the girls toys? To make it easyer to find things , stop the kids fighting over toys and stop boys being whimps but no reason the girls can't wonder over to the boy section and play play with them toys . But then again the lines are getting burred these days with all the electronic gadjets . Don't think you will find to many boys in the girl section playing with make up or dolls !! |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Have you watched TV and noticed how many women are raped and murdered for our entertainment every. single. night. ? Hollywood for once showing the real world , there is censorship and censorship and showing what is happening out there is better than a pack of lie's that only make the problem ..see no evil , hear no evil , so it doesn't occur . Which would you rather ! You can always turn the box off or change channel |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Have you noticed how women are used as decorations in advertising, movies, pop videos, magazines? Miley Cyrus did not have to make that vid i'm shore . She is old enough to know better if she is going to be a role model for other women. Men are also now used for the same thing in mag's and advertising . Movies not so much these days women play strong roles and are just as tough as the guys and have very good carriers being the muncho chick that kicks butt. So it's not all the males fault these days . |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Hollywood for once showing the real world , there is censorship and censorship and showing what is happening out there is better than a pack of lie's that only make the problem ..see no evil , hear no evil , so it doesn't occur. |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
You seem to have a very one sided view of sex. If your experience of sex is all about asserting dominance rather than feeling good then you need a better partner. No it wasn't. You're the one who made the argument that sex was all about asserting dominance not me. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
Miley Cyrus did not have to make that vid i'm shore . She is old enough to know better if she is going to be a role model for other women. I think Miley was just trying to shake off the Disney image she'd become associated with. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Have you noticed that until recently the female in a movie was the prize for the hero? (save the world and get the girl) The problem is that it systematically portrays women as things or objects that can be 'won' by the hero for defeating the bad guy. The hero is shown as entitled to the woman and her body at the end of the movie (or game). Thats a rather sickening attitude. It also portrays women as fundamentally incapable of doing anything themselves because they are either clumsy or their frail female physique is just no match for the awesome power of the male, even if its the bad guy. Again a rather sickening portrayal of women. No I haven't, not in my admittedly parochial UK centric world anyway. What you've never heard of page 3 girls? What do you think that is? Those girls are featured there for two reasons, T and A, not because they are pro athletes, scientists, writers or have some other amazing skills. Not in the UK no, I can't speak for the USA or Canada as I don't live there. You don't have Law and Order SVU in the UK? |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
What does MCP stand for? Tried googling it but just came up with a load of stuff about Microsoft, maritime communications or the Malayan communist party. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
As you said "a movie or a game" it is not meant to represent real life. And no, it is not "sickening" in my view. So no doubt in your mind the whole business of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table protecting women's honour is sickening as well? When did King Arthur defend anyones 'honour'? I thought they were all about finding the Holy Grail? And sure, its fiction, but its bad fiction. It does not portray women as "things" or "objects", it portrays them as individual people that men will fight for, and lose their lives for if necessary, to honour and protect them. "Entitled to her body"? Do behave, that is typical MCP talk. These movies and stories are all about winning the hand of a fair lady, nowhere in any of that does it say that the woman in question doesn't have a choice in the matter. It is not being suggested that the gallant hero "wins a prize" at a fairground, neither is it being suggested that the woman will swoon at the feet of her rescuer. Name one Bond girl that has a well developed personality. Because all I can remember are women with the personality of cardboard cut outs. And really, winning the hand of a fair lady? You think its normal human behavior for someone who in most of those stories don't know each other for more than 24-48 hours to pretend they are in love with each other? Again, Bond girls are a typical example of this. They don't know Bond for more than a day before they end up in bed with him. These days, it would be more likely to be "Thanks mate, owe you one, buy you a beer sometime". Ive yet to see a movie that ends like that. Unless its a guy saving another guy. It is a simple fact that the majority of men are physically stronger than the majority of women, particularly in upper body strength. Got a problem with that? If so blame mother nature not all men. Oh, so women can't be trained in self defense techniques? Doesn't matter in movies whether the women is a top rated hand to hand combat expert or not, any low level henchman can walk by and grab her and the women is instantly powerless and needs the man to come and save her. Don't be so naive please. I live in the UK, We sadly have the Sun newspaper, you don't. So then why do you pretend that women aren't rated for their physical beauty and not their intelligence or skills? No we don't, and what relevance does that have? Well if you have ever seen the show you would know what I'm talking about. All the episodes are about women getting raped (or children getting abused). And often they will base their story around real cases, and manage to do so in a rather flippant way. Rape and abuse as entertainment right there. |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
It does not portray women as "things" or "objects", it portrays them as individual people that men will fight for, and lose their lives for if necessary, to honour and protect them. "Entitled to her body"? Do behave, that is typical MCP talk. These movies and stories are all about winning the hand of a fair lady, nowhere in any of that does it say that the woman in question doesn't have a choice in the matter. It is not being suggested that the gallant hero "wins a prize" at a fairground, neither is it being suggested that the woman will swoon at the feet of her rescuer. Xenia Onatopp - nearly kills Bond several times. Natalia Simonova - certainly not impressed by Bond's habit of shooting people. Dr Christmas Jones - renowned nuclear physicist, make jokes about her name at your peril. Elecktra King - concocts ingenious plan to knock out several oil pipelines making hers more profitable. Miranda Frost - secretly a double agent, manages to hide this from Bond and MI6 until revealing herself, knocks seven bells out of Jinx. M - "if you think for one moment i don't have the balls to send a man out to die, your instincts are dead wrong, i've no compunctions about sending you to your death...", or Admiral: "With all due respect M, I think you don't have the balls for this job." M: "Perhaps. But the advantage is, I don't have to think with them all the time." Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
Hold on, did Мишель mean the film characters, or the actresses that portrayed them? If he meant the characters then he was wrong, or if he meant the real life actresses, then he is well out of order, apart from being totally wrong. By 'Bond girl' one usually means the characters doesn't one? Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
Knowing him I dunno, we await our enlightenment :-) We're not that far off-topic. And while i'm trying to be positive i've no doubt done something wrong (as usual!) Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Xenia Onatopp - nearly kills Bond several times. She literally kills people by having sex with them. Thats one character trait, which hardly makes you a well fleshed out character now does it? Natalia Simonova - certainly not impressed by Bond's habit of shooting people. Not impressed by Bond, but still has sex with him. Besides that single character attribute what else is there? Oh right, shes good with computers. Yeah, thats some really well thought out character right there. Also, needs to be saved by Bond on multiple occasions. Dr Christmas Jones - renowned nuclear physicist, make jokes about her name at your peril. Has sex with Bond while she hardly knows him. Yes, scientist although we are literally only told shes a scientist because at no point during the movie does she do anything to support that notion. Aside from being a scientist, what else is there to her character? Not much. Elecktra King - concocts ingenious plan to knock out several oil pipelines making hers more profitable. Ah yes, the bad girl whose primary motivation is Stockholm Syndrome to the secondary antagonist in the movie. Subsequently gets murdered in a pretty brutal way, James makes a funny one liner and we forget all about her. Not a well thought out character. Miranda Frost - secretly a double agent, manages to hide this from Bond and MI6 until revealing herself, knocks seven bells out of Jinx. And besides being a traitor and the love interest of the bad guy, has no character whatsoever. Why is she a traitor? Why does she love the bad guy? The movie doesn't care because her entire purpose is being a plot device. First to turn on James (after they had sex of course) and then for Jinx to have someone to fight in the final moments of the film. M - "if you think for one moment i don't have the balls to send a man out to die, your instincts are dead wrong, i've no compunctions about sending you to your death...", or Well what kind of character is M? She is a tough lady, no doubt, but what is she beyond that? The movies never show that. Look, James Bond movies are often quite entertaining movies, but lets not pretend thats because the acting is so good or because the characters are compelling. And lets also not pretend that women in James Bond come out as strong independent women. They are there so James can sleep around, maybe to have a secondary antagonist or to raise the stakes by having James save her because they can't get anything done right themselves. Doesn't matter if they are nuclear scientists or computer programmers or highly trained spies/black ops operatives like James. They all need to be saved by James at some point and they all end up in bed with him. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Name one Bond girl that has a well developed personality. Because all I can remember are women with the personality of cardboard cut outs. Riiiiiighttt.... I say the characters of a movie franchise are one dimensional and simplistic, and you respond with some snide comment about my love life. Yep, that was totally called for. Real mature. It is a film for gods sake, it is meant to portray a fictional character that has this mesmeric effect upon attractive women because of the secret service role that he plays. If you are offended by that then you really should see a shrink. It is not intended to be offensive to any woman anywhere. Just like I'm sure you don't try to come off as offensive, yet so often do. And really, James Bond is hardly mesmerizing. The only reason those women sleep with him is because the script says they do, not because the movie makes it at any point believable that those women want him. Hell, even the one Bond girl who was written as 'unimpressed' by Bond's spy antics still ends up in bed with him. That is utter tripe. Oh really? Then why is there no noticeable difference between a character like Wai Lin or Jinx, who are both highly trained spies themselves, and a nuclear scientist and a programmer who have no background in combat? That is two negatives, please speak english. Äh right, you don't have an answer so you go after me. Mature. Well then that seems to me to be wrong, but knowing you I am certainly not prepared to take your word for it until I have seen it for myself. Google it. |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
Not quite, suffocates one person between her thighs, attempts the same with Bond.Xenia Onatopp - nearly kills Bond several times. Rest of the time she's armed with a gun. Also saves the entire world by forcing the satellite to de-orbit, or did you forget that bit?Natalia Simonova - certainly not impressed by Bond's habit of shooting people. Wrong again, doesn't sleep with Bond until the end of the film, rewires the door mechanism so they can escape the missile silo, defuses a nuclear bomb whilst zooming though a pipe at 70 mph (then rearms it at Bond's request as a diversion), how scientisty do you want?Dr Christmas Jones - renowned nuclear physicist, make jokes about her name at your peril. Watch the film again, Renard was her puppet, she engineered the kidnapping to force her father to stump up the ransom money so it could later by booby-trapped and explode to get him out of the way without any fingers being pointed at her, because she views him as having stolen her mother's family's oil.Elecktra King - concocts ingenious plan to knock out several oil pipelines making hers more profitable. She was on the Havard fencing team with Colonel Moon (aka Gustav Graves), who arranged for her Olympic rival to be framed for steroid abuse giving Frost the gold. She only sleeps with Bond so she can unload his gun leaving him unarmed when he eventually confronts Graves.Miranda Frost - secretly a double agent, manages to hide this from Bond and MI6 until revealing herself, knocks seven bells out of Jinx. Widowed mother of two...M - "if you think for one moment i don't have the balls to send a man out to die, your instincts are dead wrong, i've no compunctions about sending you to your death...", or You want a strong female character in the bond franchise, look no further. Look, James Bond movies are often quite entertaining movies, but lets not pretend thats because the acting is so good or because the characters are compelling. And lets also not pretend that women in James Bond come out as strong independent women. They are there so James can sleep around, maybe to have a secondary antagonist or to raise the stakes by having James save her because they can't get anything done right themselves. Doesn't matter if they are nuclear scientists or computer programmers or highly trained spies/black ops operatives like James. They all need to be saved by James at some point and they all end up in bed with him.Are you saying Bond never gets saved by the girl? Vesper Lynd saves Bond with a defibrillator after he's been poisoned. Aki saves Bond on multiple occasions in You Only Live Twice Eve Moneypenny does admittedly shoot Bond at the start of Skyfall, but later saves him from a vicious crocodile/aligator/massive-lizard-thing in the casino. Mayday saves Bond at the cost of herself by running the bomb out of the mine on a cart. I could go on... Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
MoneyPenny? :):):) |
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