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Message 1670894 - Posted: 27 Apr 2015, 22:10:51 UTC - in response to Message 1670891.  


Ah right... A guy 500 feet up spots a woman smartly dressed & looking gorgeous , so he wolf whistles...


..and that is the end of it...

...or she ignores him and he takes affront calling her a stuck up b*tch leaving her upset and shaken...

...or she smiles at him thinking its just a compliment and he takes this as an invitation to do more, which it wasn't. Depending how much more he does it could end up in court at which point the women is told she was asking for it because she was looking gorgeous and she smiled him.

..or she ignores him and he calls her a stuck up b*tch and throws things at her and spits at her..or follows her calling her names...

...she's frightened & intimidated? Why, the guy is 500 feet up & not in any position to harm her.

..and we know that how? The women in the street know he's not going to harm her how? Let me know, because next time it happens to me I won't get frightened that this 'harmless wolf whistle' isn't a preamble to any of the above scenarios...or are you really that clueless about the way some men behave towards women? I've ignored many a wolf whistle or 'smile love' only to get a torrent of abuse for not wanting to smile at them. I've felt pressured to smile back at men who demand it only to be followed and harassed because they took it as an invitation to do so. I f8cking hate being heckled in the street. It causes me great anxiety because I simply do not know what is going to happen next. All I know is that someone potentially dangerous has noticed me and I don't know what they are going to do next.

So don't you tell me that I shouldn't find it frightening and intimidating, because I do, and with damn good reason.

If you read the comments, several women commented that she should get a life. Your thoughts on those women are?

They are Daily Mail readers.

Really? So you're saying there are Women & there are Feminists in the world & that we men have to differentiate between them? How?
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Message 1670895 - Posted: 27 Apr 2015, 22:17:53 UTC - in response to Message 1670894.  


They are Daily Mail readers.

Really? So you're saying there are Women & there are Feminists in the world & that we men have to differentiate between them? How?[/quote]
That is the part of the post that matters to you? So you don't actually care about sexual harassment.

I am not going to get into the thinking ability of the level of self awareness of the average Daily Mail reader here, but it is foul hateful rag of a newspaper and the topic of many feminist discourse about how the media helps perpetuate sexism, including internalised sexism.
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Message 1670896 - Posted: 27 Apr 2015, 22:21:45 UTC
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The Daily Fail: How Britain’s Daily Mail Fails Women
The Daily Mail is the world’s most visited news site. Its popularity surpasses even that of the NY Times, which is frightening if you stop and think about it. Millions of readers apparently consider this anti-immigrant, sensationalist, lowest-common denominator tabloid a reliable source. But even if you can ignore the site’s frequent racism and Islamophobia, its blatant sexism will smack you in the face.

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Message 1670899 - Posted: 27 Apr 2015, 22:31:13 UTC - in response to Message 1670882.  
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Ah right... A guy 500 feet up spots a woman smartly dressed & looking gorgeous , so he wolf whistles...

First lets stop right here. Why the hell does this person think it is wanted and appreciated that he lets a complete stranger know he thinks she looks beautiful. How complete strangers look is non of his goddamn business and he should keep it to himself.

...she's frightened & intimidated? Why, the guy is 500 feet up & not in any position to harm her.

Does it matter if he is no position to physically harm her? He did just invade her private space by calling her out, even if it was for a completely socially unacceptable compliment. I believe her when she says she felt frightened and intimidated, and she is far from the first women who have said this kind of street harassment bothers them a lot.

I would be intimidated as well if it were to happen to me. But I'm a guy, so I don't have to deal with that kind of street harassment every time I walk out on the streets.

If you read the comments, several women commented that she should get a life. Your thoughts on those women are?

Good for them that it doesn't bother them. But it does bother other women, and it would bother me if it were to happen to me. So people should cut it out. Save your compliments for a more socially acceptable situation.
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Message 1670900 - Posted: 27 Apr 2015, 22:32:58 UTC - in response to Message 1670895.  


They are Daily Mail readers.

Really? So you're saying there are Women & there are Feminists in the world & that we men have to differentiate between them? How?

That is the part of the post that matters to you? So you don't actually care about sexual harassment.

I am not going to get into the thinking ability of the level of self awareness of the average Daily Mail reader here, but it is foul hateful rag of a newspaper and the topic of many feminist discourse about how the media helps perpetuate sexism, including internalised sexism.

I really do admire your thought processes. Pick out one particular statement that upsets you & reply in the Exact same manner.

It seems that you really do not take onboard what you read. I have contributed enough on these boards for all to see, so where you get the thought that I do not care about sexual harassment...

...So I'll spell it out in plain clear text for all to understand!

How far down the line will feminism go? Will it get to the point where men are criminalised just for looking at a woman in public?

As for the media...there are many females employed in the news industry. A job's a job right?
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Message 1670901 - Posted: 27 Apr 2015, 22:36:24 UTC - in response to Message 1670891.  

If it was a stare by a black person and you are white and wrote all the stereotypical things you did were going to happen to you, I'd swear you were living in Dixie back in the Jim Crow era. Talk about overt "ist" and "ism"
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Message 1670911 - Posted: 27 Apr 2015, 23:11:17 UTC - in response to Message 1670901.  

If it was a stare by a black person and you are white and wrote all the stereotypical things you did were going to happen to you, I'd swear you were living in Dixie back in the Jim Crow era. Talk about overt "ist" and "ism"

There is none so blind as those who won't see.
It has been pointed out that it is unwanted and intimidating.
It has been pointed out that is a precursor to worse behaviour often enough to make it actually frightening.

..yet he still insists that somehow it is his rights that have been infringed on.

Could you provide a better and more clear cut example of male entitlement if you tried?
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Message 1670935 - Posted: 28 Apr 2015, 0:56:03 UTC - in response to Message 1670911.  

If it was a stare by a black person and you are white and wrote all the stereotypical things you did were going to happen to you, I'd swear you were living in Dixie back in the Jim Crow era. Talk about overt "ist" and "ism"

There is none so blind as those who won't see.
It has been pointed out that it is unwanted and intimidating.
It has been pointed out that is a precursor to worse behaviour often enough to make it actually frightening.

..yet he still insists that somehow it is his rights that have been infringed on.

Could you provide a better and more clear cut example of male entitlement if you tried?

Jerks are jerks. Yet you hang all with the label. You could not provide a clearer example of ist thinking, which you can not see in your rage.

Funny part is I don't see where I said it, bullying, was okay.

What have you done? You have given power to the catcall. By that transfer of power you now fear it. Just as the whites feared the blacks when they were first freed, literally afraid of getting cooties from them. Next step in your agenda will come Jim Crow laws to keep "them" down. But you are blind.

No, what I have done it point out exactly what is wrong with your response. How you have now made the issue intractable. You need a radically different thought process unless you want it to continue. The bully only has the power you give away. Don't give the power away.

Yes, you are an ist.
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Message 1670944 - Posted: 28 Apr 2015, 1:19:40 UTC - in response to Message 1670935.  

If it was a stare by a black person and you are white and wrote all the stereotypical things you did were going to happen to you, I'd swear you were living in Dixie back in the Jim Crow era. Talk about overt "ist" and "ism"

There is none so blind as those who won't see.
It has been pointed out that it is unwanted and intimidating.
It has been pointed out that is a precursor to worse behaviour often enough to make it actually frightening.

..yet he still insists that somehow it is his rights that have been infringed on.

Could you provide a better and more clear cut example of male entitlement if you tried?

Jerks are jerks. Yet you hang all with the label. You could not provide a clearer example of ist thinking, which you can not see in your rage.

You mistake frustration for rage.

Funny part is I don't see where I said it, bullying, was okay.

I never said you did...or didn't you realise I was agreeing with your post?

What have you done? You have given power to the catcall. By that transfer of power you now fear it. Just as the whites feared the blacks when they were first freed, literally afraid of getting cooties from them. Next step in your agenda will come Jim Crow laws to keep "them" down. But you are blind.

This comes under the inane "just ignore them dear" advice set. I didn't give them power, they already have power because they are backed up by the idea that what they do is harmless. It is not harmless. I somehow doubt that giving black people that advice in the Jim Crow years where they were murdered with impunity would have been good advice either. Can you imagine how far the civil rights movement would have got if the black people had just 'ignored it'?

No, what I have done it point out exactly what is wrong with your response. How you have now made the issue intractable. You need a radically different thought process unless you want it to continue. The bully only has the power you give away. Don't give the power away.

Yes, you are an ist.

Assault and attitudes that perpetuate it, encourage it and turn a blind eye to it do not simply fall under the guise of bullying.

I have been assaulted both verbally and physically on the streets on more than one occasion despite being a good girl and trying to ignore it. Ignoring it is absolutely the worst thing to do and the most stupid advice you can give any woman. I never even reported or made a fuss at all about one invasive personal attack that happened to me. Looking back I have no idea why I thought that ignoring it would make it go away or not happen or be better. I guarantee you that all the men that have verbally abused and physically abused me in the streets would think they were just paying me a compliment.

Whether it is a verbal or physical invasion of my space I will not ignore it ever again and I will never tell another woman to do so.

Your response is entirely ignorant.

I do not give them power, because I can't give them something they already think they have.

It is not up to me to deal with their behaviour. It is not something I should or should not do. The blame lies solely at the feet of the men who harass women in the street.

I suggest rather than telling me that I should 'just get over it' or 'ignore it', you tell your brothers to stop doing it.
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Message 1670950 - Posted: 28 Apr 2015, 1:40:30 UTC - in response to Message 1670882.  
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...she's frightened & intimidated? Why, ...


So, to try to add some male context...

I, a complete stranger, the physique of Brad Pitt, strolls into your local, orders a beer and leans against the bar slightly drunkenly whilst taking a bored look around. I spy you sitting across the room hunched over your dominos. Above the gentle hubbub and the click of the ivories comes my trill voice wafting over clearly in your direction:

I DO LIKE YOUR SIVERY HAIR.

Eyes watch your every move...


Would you like too meet up? I'm over in London next week :-)


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Message 1670973 - Posted: 28 Apr 2015, 2:36:13 UTC

You guys are brave to buy into this one .

Yes i agree Men should not Stalk , hurrase , touch , or verbally abuse women full stop public or not if not warranted

But i do ask is it all ways the mans fault !. can women abuse there men ?

I'm not asking who is more likey to to it just weather it happens .

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Message 1671013 - Posted: 28 Apr 2015, 4:44:09 UTC - in response to Message 1670900.  
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Your problem in recognising just how much of a predatory misogynist you really are, is your vastly deluded opinion of yourself as a gift to womankind. You are not. Our skin crawling off into the distance is a clue.

I have contributed enough on these boards


I'm gone, not just from this project but boinc itself.

Unlike others, I won't be back as I have better things to do with both my time & life.

Shame that didn't work out for us all.

where you get the thought that I do not care about sexual harassment...
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I'll spell it out for you. Because you get off on it. The only time you preach against sexism is for as long as it gives you an opportunity to spout your xenophobia and bigotry. The flaunting of your political affiliation alongside every one of your repellent posts speaks volumes.

How far down the line will feminism go? Will it get to the point where men are criminalised just for looking at a woman in public?'

Is that what it will take to make you stop? If I thought it would mean an end to being subjected to the dehumanising experience of having to read posts like this

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...I'll leave you all to decode that :-)


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Message 1671024 - Posted: 28 Apr 2015, 5:21:16 UTC

Well, Tami, I never thought that there would be someone posting here who makes me look like an appeaser.
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Message 1671031 - Posted: 28 Apr 2015, 5:33:17 UTC
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tami wrote:

as it gives you an opportunity to spout your xenophobia and bigotry

and...

predatory misogynist

And ended...

Is that what it will take to make you stop? If I thought it would mean an end to being subjected to the dehumanising experience of having to read posts like this

I can only say:

You are the 'Dehumanizing' one.

Don't like my Post. Subject me to your 'Inner Darkness'.

Who cares?
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Message 1671074 - Posted: 28 Apr 2015, 8:29:51 UTC - in response to Message 1671031.  
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tami wrote:

as it gives you an opportunity to spout your xenophobia and bigotry

and...

predatory misogynist

And ended...

Is that what it will take to make you stop? If I thought it would mean an end to being subjected to the dehumanising experience of having to read posts like this

I can only say:

You are the 'Dehumanizing' one.

Don't like my Post. Subject me to your 'Inner Darkness'.

Who cares?


You can sod off as well, I'm also sick of the misogyny and patronising crap in this thread.

Added: thank you tami
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Message 1671079 - Posted: 28 Apr 2015, 9:09:20 UTC

I think we've all witnessed leering builders on a construction site whistling at attractive women passing by, it is insulting and demeaning to women, and I am quite sure intimidating and frightening as well. Some recipients give back V signs, some go red with embarrassment, others manage to ignore it. I think this women was right to report it to the police. This isn't acceptable behaviour in my book.
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Message 1671087 - Posted: 28 Apr 2015, 9:38:17 UTC - in response to Message 1670973.  

But i do ask is it all ways the mans fault !. can women abuse there men ?

If a guy catcalls then clearly its his fault.

But do women abuse men? Yes, some do, although in different ways. I've never seen women catcall men (well I actually saw it on a video once, but she was making an excellent point about how creepy and inappropriate it is). Is it however relevant to this case or this topic, which is specifically about awful things happening to women? Well clearly not.

On top of that, its a fallacy, saying that women do awful things to men as well, sort of suggesting both sides are in the wrong. It suggests that both sides are equally in the wrong which is not true, and it ignores vital differences such as the extremely skewered balance of power between both sides.
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Message 1671091 - Posted: 28 Apr 2015, 10:08:26 UTC - in response to Message 1671013.  

Your problem in recognising just how much of a predatory misogynist you really are, is your vastly deluded opinion of yourself as a gift to womankind. You are not. Our skin crawling off into the distance is a clue.

I have contributed enough on these boards


I'm gone, not just from this project but boinc itself.

Unlike others, I won't be back as I have better things to do with both my time & life.

Shame that didn't work out for us all.

where you get the thought that I do not care about sexual harassment...
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I'll spell it out for you. Because you get off on it. The only time you preach against sexism is for as long as it gives you an opportunity to spout your xenophobia and bigotry. The flaunting of your political affiliation alongside every one of your repellent posts speaks volumes.

How far down the line will feminism go? Will it get to the point where men are criminalised just for looking at a woman in public?'

Is that what it will take to make you stop? If I thought it would mean an end to being subjected to the dehumanising experience of having to read posts like this

Wonderful things happen while wearing a kilt...

...I'll leave you all to decode that :-)


emanating from your keyboard, then it can't happen soon enough.

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Message 1671128 - Posted: 28 Apr 2015, 12:19:42 UTC

And the wolf-whistle news is on the BBC website:


Woman goes to police over wolf whistles

A 23-year-old woman repeatedly wolf whistled by builders reported them to the police...

... She told Newsbeat: "Every day I'd walk past and they'd wolf whistle. They'd even come out of the building site to wolf whistle as I'd continue down the road.

"One of the guys got up in my face and all he said was 'morning love', but it was in a very aggressive way and the other one sneered.

"They blocked the pavement and I had to walk around them."...



All rather unpleasant for the victim.

But also... Note something very wrong with that article?


Where are the ugly mug shots of the building site ignorant grunts?

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Message 1671131 - Posted: 28 Apr 2015, 12:32:42 UTC

Things have got better here at Seti though. many women are against the Miss World and Miss Universe type contests that they say is a meat market that demeans women. I'm always in two minds about that because the women choose to take part of their own free will. What I and others objected to here was the previous Babe of the Day thread.

The perpetrator of that used to deliberately spend hours trawling the Seti user base looking for pics of female posters that hadn't posted for 2 or 3 years, on the basis that they were unlikely to know about it and object to their picture being used in that way. That was sneaky and underhand and in the end we got it stopped.
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