You are missing out on the fundamental difference between men and women. The power balance. Which is what the article is about. I don't know if you've been reading this thread, but there is an endless litany of horrific acts committed against women simply because they are women. Those women may well hate men..but in the end, they don't have the power. The women are not the ones listed in this thread committing these violent acts.

Well obviously they are not listed here because this thread is specifically about horrifying acts against women.

I think you will have a much easier filling a thread with horrific gender based acts against women than you would filling a thread with horrific gender based acts against men.

I disagree. Yes, there is a power difference, but that power difference is at its most minimal on the individual level. Everyone can grab a knife, bat or gun and use it against another person.

Having been in violent situations I can assure you, its not quite so simple as that. If it were so easy for women to defend themselves using weapons, then why do so many end up in hospital? My point is that a woman weilding a weapon is still not sufficient to even the odds.

If a women wants to, she can just as easily go on a shooting spree as a guy. And on the individual level its even possible that the women holds more power over the man than the other way around. Domestic violence perpetrated by women is a real thing. So lets not pretend that women are incapable of violence against men, because that is just not true.

??? I have no idea what point you are tying to make here. Can women go on shooting sprees? Sure, yet most shooting sprees are not done by women. So its a fantastical example that doesn't make sense.

Also you need to take into account that a women who does act in a violent way is punished more severely than a man that does so, because that power imbalance is reinforced at every level of society. Remember the example of the abused women who fired a warning shot to scare off her abusive ex? She ended up with a 20 year jail sentence. Another example of the power imbalance.

It matters what Feminists do. They are much like the civil rights movement, an attack on the status quo, they seek to dismantle century old power structures and those that now profit from those power structures will seek to keep Feminists down.

Why do you speak about feminists as if they are some sort of 'group' outside the norm? Aren't you a feminist? Do you know what a feminist is?

And if you go around 'ironically' hating men, you are literally handing those in power tools to keep Feminists out.

The fact that you don't identify as a feminist and see feminists as something 'other' says a lot about status-quo and power imbalance.

Again, because of misogyny, it doesn't matter what we do as women. (remember, misogyny is not a hatred of feminists. It is a hatred of women) Most women do not hate men, yet most women have at some point been harassed and mistreated by men. It has absolutely nothing to do with the way we feel about men. If it did, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

If Feminists want to actually create a society where men and women are treated as equals, they will need to be beyond reproach.

Yeah, that's bull sh*t and ridiculous. Sexism is all about holding people to different and ridiculous standards, we don't combat sexism with more sexism. The blame does not lie with women.

They must not give anyone at the top any easy excuse to marginalize or ignore Feminists.

You are not a feminist then?

Sure, they will try so either way, but why the hell would we make it easier for them?

Making it easier is supporting the status quo by pretending that everything is cool and that men are great and there is nothing wrong with the way they behave.

It matters what you do when you want change.

Its not us that needs to change.

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It matters what you do when you want change.

Its not us that needs to change.

Sorry to disagree, but both men & women need to change as both sexes are just as bad as each other.

It matters what you do when you want change.

Its not us that needs to change.

Sorry to disagree, but both men & women need to change as both sexes are just as bad as each other.

Women have changed. Now men need to catch up so we don't have threads like this one.

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Haven't changed much then. Still a long ways to go for both sexes. Still come across women that go out of their way to prove to themselves that they are still attractive enough.

Then there are those who really go overboard & have a nickname that describes them completely. As this is a kid friendly forum, let's just call them "Teases".

Then there are the "maneaters" - don't care as long as they get the man they're interested in - Married/engaged? So what? is their attitude.

Haven't changed much then. Still a long ways to go for both sexes. Still come across women that go out of their way to prove to themselves that they are still attractive enough.

Then there are those who really go overboard & have a nickname that describes them completely. As this is a kid friendly forum, let's just call them "Teases".

Then there are the "maneaters" - don't care as long as they get the man they're interested in - Married/engaged? So what? is their attitude.

All those stereotypes seems to herald from a premise that men are entitled to women's sexuality.

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Haven't changed much then. Still a long ways to go for both sexes. Still come across women that go out of their way to prove to themselves that they are still attractive enough.

Then there are those who really go overboard & have a nickname that describes them completely. As this is a kid friendly forum, let's just call them "Teases".

Then there are the "maneaters" - don't care as long as they get the man they're interested in - Married/engaged? So what? is their attitude.

All those stereotypes seems to herald from a premise that men are entitled to women's sexuality.

Maybe so, but women do have a choice don't they?

Haven't changed much then. Still a long ways to go for both sexes. Still come across women that go out of their way to prove to themselves that they are still attractive enough.

Then there are those who really go overboard & have a nickname that describes them completely. As this is a kid friendly forum, let's just call them "Teases".

Then there are the "maneaters" - don't care as long as they get the man they're interested in - Married/engaged? So what? is their attitude.

All those stereotypes seems to herald from a premise that men are entitled to women's sexuality.

Maybe so, but women do have a choice don't they?

Its usually one of those "dammed if you do, dammed if you don't" situations.

I haven't noticed that men are expected to monitor their own sexual behaviour or choices the way women are.

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And still, the planets human population grows.

I think you will have a much easier filling a thread with horrific gender based acts against women than you would filling a thread with horrific gender based acts against men.

No doubt, but that doesn't mean there are no gender based acts of violence against men.

Having been in violent situations I can assure you, its not quite so simple as that. If it were so easy for women to defend themselves using weapons, then why do so many end up in hospital? My point is that a woman weilding a weapon is still not sufficient to even the odds.

And you think that a man in a violent situation has any more power?

Do not compare being in an abusive situation with powerlessness created by a patriarchal system. They can reinforce each other, but they exist separately.

On a side note, do you really think that a guy who is abused by his wife/girlfriend will be 'empowered' in a patriarchy? I somewhat doubt that, given how we treat male rape.

??? I have no idea what point you are tying to make here. Can women go on shooting sprees? Sure, yet most shooting sprees are not done by women. So its a fantastical example that doesn't make sense.

The point is that its nonsense to claim that women hating men can't result in violence, while men hating women does result in violence. If some wound up MRA ***hole can grab a bunch of guns and take out his frustrations on women, then the reverse is just as true.

The reason I think it doesn't happen is because the amount of radical misandrists is simply far smaller than the amount of radical misogynists. But is it then smart to say its okay if more people hate men because nothing can happen?

Also you need to take into account that a women who does act in a violent way is punished more severely than a man that does so, because that power imbalance is reinforced at every level of society. Remember the example of the abused women who fired a warning shot to scare off her abusive ex? She ended up with a 20 year jail sentence. Another example of the power imbalance.

Are you sure? This suggests women get away easier than men. Also, you should be careful with that example, given that this happened in Florida and she was a woman of color.

Why do you speak about feminists as if they are some sort of 'group' outside the norm? Aren't you a feminist? Do you know what a feminist is?

How are Feminists the norm? Seems to me that we are still struggling to become the norm.

As for me being a Feminist, well I don't know. I want to be, but I'm a little hesitant appropriating the term, and I'm pretty sure there are other Feminists who are also hesitant letting me appropriate the term. You know, the 'only women can be feminists, everyone else are only allies' type.

The fact that you don't identify as a feminist and see feminists as something 'other' says a lot about status-quo and power imbalance.

By virtue of fighting against the patriarchy Feminism is automatically the 'other', at least from the perspective of the patriarchy, which I fear is still the dominant perspective. It has nothing to do with how I identify myself with the movement.

Yeah, that's bull sh*t and ridiculous. Sexism is all about holding people to different and ridiculous standards, we don't combat sexism with more sexism. The blame does not lie with women.

No, sexism is holding people to different standards based on gender. This is holding a socio-political movement to higher standard than all others, because its a threat to the status quo and because we need to convince people that Feminism is in the entire world's best interest. This is holding ourselves to the highest standard so they can't misrepresent.

You are not a feminist then?

Oh come on, you know better than that.

Making it easier is supporting the status quo by pretending that everything is cool and that men are great and there is nothing wrong with the way they behave.

I never said we shouldn't criticize men who clearly behave terrible. If we wouldn't do that, Feminism would have no point. But I'm saying that we should avoid making it about all men because they are men.

Its not us that needs to change.

Everyone needs to change.

Are you sure? This suggests women get away easier than men. Also, you should be careful with that example, given that this happened in Florida and she was a woman of color.

This says otherwise

There have been a number of stabbings recently by males - sentence handed down? 3 to 5 years.

This says otherwise

There have been a number of stabbings recently by males - sentence handed down? 3 to 5 years.

Without a larger case selection this doesn't really say anything.

This says otherwise

There have been a number of stabbings recently by males - sentence handed down? 3 to 5 years.

Without a larger case selection this doesn't really say anything.

So do some studying.

This story makes me angry.

Elderly Indian nun gang-raped in convent school attack

Police in eastern India are searching for a group of six men who gang-raped an elderly nun in West Bengal.

The men ransacked the convent school in Ranaghat early on Saturday morning and stole money before entering the convent itself.

The 74-year-old nun is now recovering in hospital.
I hope she heals.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-31887764

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Most violence against women is done at their home!
The perpetator is usally is her partner.
If some one wants statistics to prove it. Forget it.
Most women doesn't report it to the police.

My GF's daughter has a similary experience with her ex right know!

This story makes me angry.
Elderly Indian nun gang-raped in convent school attack
Police in eastern India are searching for a group of six men who gang-raped an elderly nun in West Bengal.
The men ransacked the convent school in Ranaghat early on Saturday morning and stole money before entering the convent itself.
The 74-year-old nun is now recovering in hospital.
I hope she heals.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-31887764

Angry? It makes me pissed off!
Gang raping in India are becoming epidemic:(
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=76273&postid=1652475#1652475

I disagree. Yes, there is a power difference, but that power difference is at its most minimal on the individual level. Everyone can grab a knife, bat or gun and use it against another person.

Having been in violent situations I can assure you, its not quite so simple as that. If it were so easy for women to defend themselves using weapons, then why do so many end up in hospital? My point is that a woman weilding a weapon is still not sufficient to even the odds.

Why? Perhaps training? Perhaps expectations?

I suspect the average male strong arm mugger might get different results trying to attack the average armed female or the average armed female soldier. I also don't think this difference would be because of any strength difference between the women, but a thought pattern difference. That is a societal rule, which does not allow an armed woman to be empowered to fight back effectively, but it is not a physical strength difference.

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Most Men, in Domestic Violence situations, also don't report it.

True Clyde and I doubt that doesn't happen very often.
Are there any cases?

Most Men, in Domestic Violence situations, also don't report it.

True Clyde and I doubt that doesn't happen very often.
Are there any cases?

Just well known among Police. Not just my experiences (Man - Oh, I just fell down) when responding to neighbors calls. But recently retired officers, I associate with.
More than people realize.

In Sweden there are cases. But they are ignored by the prosecution...

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/grope-poster-causes-outrage-for-belgian-cycle-race-20150225-13p4un.html

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SPLC magazine arrived in the mail. It has an article about a subreddit that is so misogynisticly vile I can't post a direct link as it would violate at least four posting rules. It is not for the feint of heart or the easily offended. With that caveat preform a search for "philosophy+of+rape+subreddit" You may need to turn safe search off; yes, it is that vile.

It shows how far some alleged humans will go in their vile hatred of others in an attempt to have the world do as they say. It is for that reason, to see how far twisted minds go, to show how easily thought patters can be corrupted, not for other reasons, I post here. People should know what others are capable of thinking.

I'm a bit surprised that Conde Nast, owner of Reddit, allows this material because of the association it might have with their travel publications and their advertisers there. Hardcore pornography would not be as damning as this material.

I'm not sure how much discussion the mods will allow, but keep it adult, make sure everyone understands no one is promoting the vile ideas on that subreddit. I hope everyone can think before they post and keep it highbrow. I'll also understand if it becomes too inflamed and has to be hidden.

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