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Message 1631524 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 5:26:36 UTC

This GOP Lover and DEM/Lib Hater(when in Government or Other Controlling Institutions) said:

Whether Abortion 'is' Legal or Not, I Believe 'She' can Do As She Pleases, with The 'Life' Inside Her. Maybe getting to Sleep and Dreams will Never Haunt. Maybe. Not My Biz. Ever.

Pukes Frakked Up by 'Requiring' 'Reporting' after 20+ Weeks. Stupid Move. Let People Be with Such A Decision. Help them Afterwards if Needed.

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Message 1631712 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 16:42:50 UTC - in response to Message 1631580.  

Abortion whether legalised or not is a very difficult subject at the best of times, which really needs its own thread. In the case of pregnancy resulting from rape, or medical reasons endangering life for the pregnancy to continue, I don't think anyone anywhere would argue against it. If it was a genuine mistake and the child was never wanted there is a good case for that as well. Also in cases where the mother is classed as of diminished responsibility, or the mother is under age. But when it comes down to I've simply changed my mind about having the child, that brings all the moral issues into play.

Only in the sense that bringing an unwanted child into the world is immoral.

What we don't want is non-legalisation to maintain the trade in back street abortions, with all the risks that those pose. I think before xx weeks it should be legalised, the sticking point is what should XX weeks be? Yes it is a womans own body and her decision at the end of the day, and she may have to accept others disapproval of her decision, but she should still be allowed to make that decision.

To be honest I am not sure that there should be an XX weeks limit. As pointed out in the article I posted, there are many good reasons why someone would need a late abortion.

In Canada there is no laws at all on abortion. They were all struck down and never replaced. We have a situation where a woman can legally get an abortion at any point, however, finding a Dr. willing to perform a late abortion without very good reason is another matter entirely. This seems to actually work and hasn't resulted in a rise in late abortions.

Considering that even in the UK the numbers of late abortions is very small, I wonder what the real agenda is in making this an issue. The only result will be to do harm to people in the name of a false moral agenda (i.e. an unborn baby's life has more worth than the mothers).
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Message 1631718 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 17:01:53 UTC - in response to Message 1631712.  

The only result will be to do harm to people in the name of a false moral agenda (i.e. an unborn baby's life has more worth than the mothers).

Hardly a false moral agenda. When we are talking about late term abortions, we are essentially talking about what we prioritize, a human life that only needs to get out of the mothers womb to survive, or the mother itself. There is no real objective reason why prioritizing one is better than prioritizing the other. It comes down to personal preferences.

So lets not accuse the other side of having a false moral agenda simply because their morals are not your morals.

That said, it hardly comes as a surprise that the GOP is going after abortions. My guess is that this is partly done to please the voter base, and partly for in the unlikely case it would not get veto'd out by the President, a potential way of challenging Roe vs Wade, now that the Supreme Court favors conservative viewpoints more. And given how they have gone after abortions on a state level, this is hardly surprising.
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Message 1631773 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 18:48:44 UTC - in response to Message 1631761.  
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she said it was either that or be ostracised from the family


Humph, it was that or kill a human being!

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(Just my opinion mind you...)
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Message 1631822 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 20:09:32 UTC

Yet none of you seem to be reading the article on why people feel it necessary to go through with a late term abortion.

So your arguments are actually irrelevant and full of assumptions as to why someone would need to do that.
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Message 1631852 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 20:43:29 UTC - in response to Message 1631773.  

ostracised from the family


It is just that I don't think that
is a good reason to lose a child....



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Message 1631855 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 20:52:02 UTC

To be honest I am not sure that there should be an XX weeks limit.


As Long As 'it' 'is' Not Me Removing The 'Life' and 'Disposing of its 'Remains'. Gruesome. Sickening.

Like I Said:
Yeah, rippin' Out A 20+ week 'Fetu[oe]s is A Messy Bizness. And 'Disposing' of 'Remains'. A Yuk-A-Thon. Reminds of 'Mail Rooms' in All The Lovely 'Wars' Fought. Packin' and Shippin' 'Remains' Home. BLECH.

If One can 'Stomach' so-to-speak, and 'Live' with 'Doing' 'it', Go fO 'it'. I Already have 'Trouble' getting to sleep and 'Dreams', whoa, not good. But if A Woman Can Handle 'it', Do What You Gots To Do.


Ladies Right. Do What You Want. 36th Week for All I Care. Their Bodies, Their Biz.

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Message 1631929 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 22:58:37 UTC

Back in 1776 time frame when the USA came into being, abortion was not legal for the mother, but for the father he could abort up until the 21st year after birth. Of course in 1776 the midwife made sure "monsters" did not take their first breath.

Today, the father has no rights in abortion, and the mother has all choice. As to a limit on when, I don't like hard and fast rules. I would hate to hear of a case of an abortion of a full term normal fetus, but I can't envision every possible human condition in advance.

I think every advocate of restricting abortion should be placed in a lottery and the prize is to adopt and raise any baby that their restrictions force to be born.
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Message 1631981 - Posted: 24 Jan 2015, 2:06:39 UTC - in response to Message 1631929.  

I would hate to hear of a case of an abortion of a full term normal fetus, ..

That's called "child birth".
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Message 1632016 - Posted: 24 Jan 2015, 3:44:25 UTC - in response to Message 1631981.  

I would hate to hear of a case of an abortion of a full term normal fetus, ..

That's called "child birth".

see http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/13/justice/pennsylvania-abortion-doctor-trial/
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Message 1632056 - Posted: 24 Jan 2015, 5:31:48 UTC - in response to Message 1632016.  

I would hate to hear of a case of an abortion of a full term normal fetus, ..

That's called "child birth".

see http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/13/justice/pennsylvania-abortion-doctor-trial/

That's a weird case, he was breaking a lot of laws beside the abortion law. Also, I see no mention of full term abortions. Full term is around 36-37 weeks.
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Message 1632176 - Posted: 24 Jan 2015, 11:14:36 UTC - in response to Message 1632150.  

Richard Dawkins says it would be immoral not to abort, others disagree. Downs

Richard Dawkins is a blatant sexist but more importantly, he's not a parent of someone with Down. He is in no position to tell people what to do or judge them afterwards. Really, telling people its immoral not to abort their baby is just as horrible as someone who tells people it is immoral to abort.


That aside, I believe in abortion being a woman's choice, and I do oppose legislation that would restrict abortions. I'm fully convinced that someone who chooses a late term abortion does so for the best of reasons. That said, I just don't like opponents of abortion getting accused of having a false moral agenda, simply because they have different morals than I do.
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Message 1632302 - Posted: 24 Jan 2015, 18:53:10 UTC - in response to Message 1632150.  



One of the most difficult situations is where it is confirmed that the birth will produce a Down's Syndrome (trisomy 21) Child. In most cases it is born perfectly healthy, and can lead a fulfilling life albeit partly restricted in capability. But modern early screening often results in termination. Richard Dawkins says it would be immoral not to abort, others disagree. Downs


I've done some work with Downs people, and yes, they can have fulfilling happy lives. So I think Richard Dawkins' stance is a little extreme on this. However, to be honest, if by some misfortune I fell pregnant at my age I would have serious doubts as to whether to go through a healthy pregnancy. If the child was disabled in any way I would most likely not go through with it. There is more to being Down's than just mental retardation, which for an older couple is concern enough. Would I be capable of taking care of a retarded person as I go into my 60s or 70s? Downs people often have other health issues such as heart problems. I could not do it...and at my age there is more of a risk of me having a Downs child to start with.

So even though the decision would be heart breaking and terrible, I would not carry a Downs child to term. Hell, I would have to think very seriously about carrying a healthy child to term. I've raised my children, I know exactly how hard it is. I really do not want to start over again. Nope Nope Nope.

My friend has a severely (and I mean severely) disabled child. He is trisomy 22 I think. He wasn't supposed to live past 18 months. He is now 15. He is blind. Deaf. Severely retarded. He is like a giant baby that never grew up. She loves him to death, but her life has been so hard. The child has had to undergo many painful surgeries as his bones have grown into his body and threatened his organs. In the end she made the incredibly brave decision to put him in care because she was simply not capable of taking care of him. She has another son with actual ADHD (not what people think ADHD is) and could not care for him properly and his older brother.

I think she is a hero and know that I could never go through what she did and remain sane. I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't force anyone to do it.

This whole subject is a minefield and I'm glad that as a mere male, I don't have to draft any legislation upon it.

I don't think anyone should.
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Message 1632304 - Posted: 24 Jan 2015, 18:59:20 UTC - in response to Message 1631981.  

I would hate to hear of a case of an abortion of a full term normal fetus, ..

That's called "child birth".

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Message 1632309 - Posted: 24 Jan 2015, 19:18:51 UTC - in response to Message 1632176.  

Richard Dawkins says it would be immoral not to abort, others disagree. Downs

Richard Dawkins is a blatant sexist but more importantly, he's not a parent of someone with Down. He is in no position to tell people what to do or judge them afterwards. Really, telling people its immoral not to abort their baby is just as horrible as someone who tells people it is immoral to abort.

Agreed. There are always men from one side or another who like to tell women what to do.
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Message 1632362 - Posted: 24 Jan 2015, 21:45:15 UTC - in response to Message 1632309.  

There are always men from one side or another who like to tell women what to do.

There are always people who like to tell other people how to run their lives. Busybodies.
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Message 1632365 - Posted: 24 Jan 2015, 21:54:02 UTC - in response to Message 1632362.  

There are always men from one side or another who like to tell women what to do.

There are always people who like to tell other people how to run their lives. Busybodies.

Well its the ones with power that do the most damage. In our society that happens to be white men.
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Message 1632461 - Posted: 25 Jan 2015, 4:12:05 UTC - in response to Message 1632309.  
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There are always men from one side or another who like to tell women what to do.


How many women try to re-mold their male partners?

My first ex left because when something major changed in my career, she jumped because I did not go the way she wanted. Funny really because about 12 years later another event happened and I utterly destroyed her next husbands career, who she probably did re-mold.

It probably works both ways you know.

P.S. When I destroyed next husbands career, I didn't know he was her husband.
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Message 1632465 - Posted: 25 Jan 2015, 4:52:03 UTC - in response to Message 1632461.  

P.S. When I destroyed next husbands career, I didn't know he was her husband.

Karma is a bitch.
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Message 1632484 - Posted: 25 Jan 2015, 6:18:01 UTC

Change every negative reference you make, in these Threads, from White to Black, and Men to Women, the Moderator's would...

This HAS to stop.


Yep, The Mods would...

because All The Mods are Women. Some Are More Manly than others.

Yep.

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