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Message 1718191 - Posted: 25 Aug 2015, 14:50:04 UTC - in response to Message 1718189.  
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That is a real shame to hear about it all. Yes I saw the train myself when I was over there.


Are trains racists?
Looks like you are on the wrong side on the road as well.
On the other hand it's perhaps the rear window.
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Message 1718206 - Posted: 25 Aug 2015, 15:12:35 UTC - in response to Message 1718164.  

Well...

One side says they were too loud. The other says they were not.

One side says no police were involved. The other side says that a deleted Facebook post shows otherwise.

No reason, at this point, to know which side is telling the truth.


When such a post is deleted, it usually indicates the post was in error.
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Message 1718211 - Posted: 25 Aug 2015, 15:23:06 UTC - in response to Message 1718164.  

Well...

One side says they were too loud. The other says they were not.

And no side is saying anyone asked them to be quiet before the cops got called.

One side says no police were involved. The other side says that a deleted Facebook post shows otherwise.

No post is ever really deleted.

No reason, at this point, to know which side is telling the truth.

The truth is there. Try the standing FOIA the press has for the 911 and dispatch tapes.

Some racist was terrified that there were more than two black people who knew each other and were having a bit of fun. So they called train officials and the cops. When they couldn't arrest them for being loud because they stopped instantly when requested they wanted them arrested for being drunk, which they weren't either. There is the real crime, a hate crime. That is the crime the police need to investigate.
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Message 1718221 - Posted: 25 Aug 2015, 15:33:00 UTC

I can't wait to see how far "Black Lives Matter" will blow this incident out of proportion. The police have more efficient uses to devote their time than investigating a minor 'he said, she said' incident.

Just another symptom of the divide and vilify culture promoted by Obama.

And here comes the 'slings and arrows'.

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Message 1718251 - Posted: 25 Aug 2015, 21:05:16 UTC - in response to Message 1718207.  

Well...

One side says they were too loud. The other says they were not.

One side says no police were involved. The other side says that a deleted Facebook post shows otherwise.

No reason, at this point, to know which side is telling the truth.


When such a post is deleted, it usually indicates the post was in error.


yup.


Similarly, when a former mod overwrites all or most of his/her posts with "..." on his/her way out the door?

You do also realize that, upon doing so, quotes remained, but now you/he/she no longer has a defense against altered, deliberate misquotes?

Little problem with rewriting history, that.
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Message 1718253 - Posted: 25 Aug 2015, 21:05:47 UTC - in response to Message 1718221.  

I can't wait to see how far "Black Lives Matter" will blow this incident out of proportion. The police have more efficient uses to devote their time than investigating a minor 'he said, she said' incident.

Just another symptom of the divide and vilify culture promoted by Obama.

And here comes the 'slings and arrows'.


You mean the same BLM that is also defending white lives?
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Message 1718263 - Posted: 25 Aug 2015, 21:22:18 UTC - in response to Message 1718253.  

I can't wait to see how far "Black Lives Matter" will blow this incident out of proportion. The police have more efficient uses to devote their time than investigating a minor 'he said, she said' incident.

Just another symptom of the divide and vilify culture promoted by Obama.

And here comes the 'slings and arrows'.


You mean the same BLM that is also defending white lives?


Cite reference please.

Here's the view of someone who actually lives there. **PLEASE BE AWARE OF SOME PROFANE LANGUAGE**
https://video-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xpf1/v/t42.1790-2/11878300_1176910949004865_865831763_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjk2MSwicmxhIjozNzY2fQ%3D%3D&rl=961&vabr=534&oh=77b7d2d88fbadfb440c9fe3a93614f6e&oe=55DCFCF9

Is SHE racist?

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Message 1718298 - Posted: 25 Aug 2015, 22:21:37 UTC - in response to Message 1718263.  

I can't wait to see how far "Black Lives Matter" will blow this incident out of proportion. The police have more efficient uses to devote their time than investigating a minor 'he said, she said' incident.

Just another symptom of the divide and vilify culture promoted by Obama.

And here comes the 'slings and arrows'.


You mean the same BLM that is also defending white lives?


Cite reference please.

Here's the view of someone who actually lives there. **PLEASE BE AWARE OF SOME PROFANE LANGUAGE**
https://video-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xpf1/v/t42.1790-2/11878300_1176910949004865_865831763_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjk2MSwicmxhIjozNzY2fQ%3D%3D&rl=961&vabr=534&oh=77b7d2d88fbadfb440c9fe3a93614f6e&oe=55DCFCF9

Is SHE racist?


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(CNN)You think you've heard this story before. A young, unarmed man is gunned down by police, black activists are outraged -- the only difference with this scenario is that the young man is not black, he's white.
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Message 1718300 - Posted: 25 Aug 2015, 22:31:26 UTC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB3PtX_Bw7Q

Published on Aug 8, 2015

(CNN)You think you've heard this story before. A young, unarmed man is gunned down by police, black activists are outraged -- the only difference with this scenario is that the young man is not black, he's white

Didn't see one reference to BLM in your cited reference. All this shows is if you are in the company of a sought criminal you may become a collateral victim. I don't defend or accuse the officers involved, I wasn't there.

Once again Sarge, like the camp trailer in the Walmart parking lot, there is no substance to your claim.

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Message 1718301 - Posted: 25 Aug 2015, 22:32:48 UTC - in response to Message 1718298.  

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(CNN)You think you've heard this story before. A young, unarmed man is gunned down by police, black activists are outraged -- the only difference with this scenario is that the young man is not black, he's white.

That dashcam videos are not for public view when a crime is committed are...
Censor ship?
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Message 1718311 - Posted: 25 Aug 2015, 22:48:26 UTC - in response to Message 1718301.  

That dashcam videos are not for public view when a crime is committed are...Censor ship?


No they are impounded as evidence and not made public to prevent tainting any potential jury pool. During the trial they are presented to the Jury and the public at the same time or to the public shortly after trial.

It's only censorship if they are destroyed (listening Hillary? :)).

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Message 1718321 - Posted: 25 Aug 2015, 23:12:16 UTC - in response to Message 1718311.  

That dashcam videos are not for public view when a crime is committed are...Censor ship?


No they are impounded as evidence and not made public to prevent tainting any potential jury pool. During the trial they are presented to the Jury and the public at the same time or to the public shortly after trial.

It's only censorship if they are destroyed (listening Hillary? :)).

The censorship is when the police have them but refuse to pass them on to defense counsel.
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Message 1718322 - Posted: 25 Aug 2015, 23:13:03 UTC - in response to Message 1718300.  
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB3PtX_Bw7Q

Published on Aug 8, 2015

(CNN)You think you've heard this story before. A young, unarmed man is gunned down by police, black activists are outraged -- the only difference with this scenario is that the young man is not black, he's white

Didn't see one reference to BLM in your cited reference. All this shows is if you are in the company of a sought criminal you may become a collateral victim. I don't defend or accuse the officers involved, I wasn't there.

Once again Sarge, like the camp trailer in the Walmart parking lot, there is no substance to your claim.


That is not the only source, nor did you read closely. I quoted the caption added under the video.

You made the extraordinary claim that Obama is promoting divisiveness.
It is not the burden of the stater of the null hypothesis to bring evidence for or against it, but the one stating an alternate hypothesis.
That I provided you anything is kindness.
To show you further kindness and patience, I have now tracked down the original article I was exposed to, by a colleague: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/zachary-hammond-police-killing_55c0e240e4b0c9fdc75dfda3?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067.

As for the off topic bit about the campers at Wal Mart, rest assured, if I can further bolster my claim, I will return to that topic. I think you overestimate the number of people owning campers in that city, regardless of how many you see in your city tailgating at Raiders games.
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Message 1718368 - Posted: 26 Aug 2015, 2:44:19 UTC

And so a Huffington Post editorial is your source.

No marching crowds shouting All Lives Matter.

BLM is a movement based on a lie. HANDS UP, DON'T SHOOT is a lie. Michael Brown was a thug, a bully and a punk no matter what color he was. Witnesses, Black Witnesses, testified before a Grand Jury that he charged the officer and tried to take his weapon. He never knelt and said that.

The security video in the store he robbed plainly shows him bullying and then accosting the store owner who tried to protect his property. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5ga8xM8W4M
Yeah Mr Brown is a real man to look up to, to admire as the 'martyr' of the BLM movement.

BLM 'leadership' such as it is are loud mouth bullies who try to intimidate others and incite riots and violence. Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myBmDfsTMzc

They shouted down Martin O'Malley and Bernie Sanders (probably your hero), for trying to say All Lives Matter. http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/o-malley-sanders-shouted-down-at-netroots-by-black-lives-matter-protest-20150718

They tried to intimidate and bully Hillary Clinton into lip service instead of discussing the issue. Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o4noK5LFLs

BLM is not interested in solutions they are interested in individual fame and self aggrandizement through spokespeople like Al Sharpton. Instead of courting the liberal hands that might help them solve the problem they have proven to be equal opportunity hand biters. A much better and more productive movement would be 'Black Wives Matter', it really does take two loving parents to raise children to be honorable adults instead of letting the streets teach them to be thugs and probably dying a violent death.

And Sarge, you provide no one 'a kindness' with your highly distorted views of actual facts. In your world facts are inconvenient and so are to be ignored.

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Message 1718490 - Posted: 26 Aug 2015, 7:49:49 UTC - in response to Message 1718368.  

BLM is a movement based on a lie. HANDS UP, DON'T SHOOT is a lie. Michael Brown was a thug, a bully and a punk no matter what color he was. Witnesses, Black Witnesses, testified before a Grand Jury that he charged the officer and tried to take his weapon. He never knelt and said that.

This contains a very useful little chart saying what each witness supports. You'll see that the witnesses for the most part support the notion that Micheal Brown had his hands up when the police shot him. Also note the vagueness of the question regarding whether Micheal Brown reached for Wilsons gun. 'Reach into or otherwise directly interacted with' can basically mean anything. Though you are right, most witnesses agree that he didn't kneel, which arguably the least important aspect of this story.

The security video in the store he robbed plainly shows him bullying and then accosting the store owner who tried to protect his property. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5ga8xM8W4M
Yeah Mr Brown is a real man to look up to, to admire as the 'martyr' of the BLM movement.

YEah yeah, go on and spread the narrative that he was a violent thug who deserved to get shot. You really live in a messed up world if you think its acceptable for police to gun down someone for something as little as shoplifting.

The incident at the shop is separate from the incident where he got shot. The police let it escalate and as a result someone got killed. But according to you, thats just fine, because the victim was a thief. See, thats where black lives matter comes from. If the guy was white, he would have been arrested, but because he was black, the police escalated the situation and ended up killing him. And when that was done, the first thing the media did was focus on what a bad person Michael Brown has been, as if that somehow justifies what happened here.

But even if think Michael Brown makes for a bad martyr, there have been plenty of other people who got shot by police for absolutely no reason. In New York they choked someone to death and they shot another person who was just walking down some stairs. In Cleveland the police rolled up and shot a 12 year old kid playing in the park with a toy gun without even bothering to defuse the situation. Not to mention that guy that got shot in the back and the police officer was seen altering the scene to make it look like he was defending himself.

And then there are also the multiple DoJ reports that find conclusive evidence in both Cleveland and Ferguson that the police has been systemically targeting black people.

But sure, the black people are the violent thugs here.

BLM 'leadership' such as it is are loud mouth bullies who try to intimidate others and incite riots and violence. Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myBmDfsTMzc

Oh of course, 99 out of a 100 protests are clearly peaceful, but lets focus on the few occurrences where a few rioters escalate a peaceful protest into a violent encounter. Because that fits the narrative of black people being thugs, while the peaceful protests do not.

They shouted down Martin O'Malley and Bernie Sanders (probably your hero), for trying to say All Lives Matter. http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/o-malley-sanders-shouted-down-at-netroots-by-black-lives-matter-protest-20150718

Of course they did. White people aren't getting shot en masse by the police. Turning Black Lives Matter into 'All Lives Matter' turns an issue that is specifically about racism against black people into a non issue. Its white people appropriating a protest and turn it into something that they benefit from while black people are pushed to the side of their own protest movement.

BLM is not interested in solutions they are interested in individual fame and self aggrandizement through spokespeople like Al Sharpton. Instead of courting the liberal hands that might help them solve the problem they have proven to be equal opportunity hand biters. A much better and more productive movement would be 'Black Wives Matter', it really does take two loving parents to raise children to be honorable adults instead of letting the streets teach them to be thugs and probably dying a violent death.

Well perhaps that would be possible if not so many fathers where locked away in jail for decades.

But really, that is again irrelevant and racist. It is the suggestion that black moms can't raise their children on their own and that black people are for the most part thugs and criminals and that all of that is caused because they come from single parent families. Blindly ignoring the police brutality they have to face, the impoverished areas they are raised in, the difficulty they have with getting well paid jobs and the systemic racism they have to deal with every day.

No, if only black people had two loving parents there would be no trouble at all. See how that narrative places all the blame on black people? How it completely ignores the actual problems black people have to deal with, problems mostly caused by the white power structure?
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Message 1718554 - Posted: 26 Aug 2015, 12:23:35 UTC - in response to Message 1718547.  

You really live in a messed up world if you think its acceptable for police to gun down someone for something as little as shoplifting.

Yep, in Мишель's world you shouldn't even go to prison for petty crimes like robbing banks.

Bank robberies


You think someone like that should be stuck in jail for more than 7,5 years, which is the sentence they gave him? To me that sounds proportional.

How is that arguing that people shouldn't go to jail for petty crimes?
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Message 1718596 - Posted: 26 Aug 2015, 15:21:58 UTC - in response to Message 1718554.  

You really live in a messed up world if you think its acceptable for police to gun down someone for something as little as shoplifting.

Yep, in Мишель's world you shouldn't even go to prison for petty crimes like robbing banks.

Bank robberies


You think someone like that should be stuck in jail for more than 7,5 years, which is the sentence they gave him? To me that sounds proportional.

How is that arguing that people shouldn't go to jail for petty crimes?


Good question.
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Message 1718607 - Posted: 26 Aug 2015, 15:57:45 UTC - in response to Message 1718368.  

And so a Huffington Post editorial is your source.


I suspect you are saying "the source is poison, so the story cannot be true".

1) Oh,no! Fox talks about it as well! http://fox2now.com/2015/08/07/south-carolina-officer-shoots-unarmed-white-teen-during-pot-bust-2/

2) There are sources within the Huffington Post source which you do not discuss. Perhaps you did not even notice them. They provided a link where you could read the tweets from several BLM propoonents. To discredit those sources, you would have to do a lot of research, such as proving many were from accounts claiming to be owned by blacks when in the person at the keyboard was not actually black or they were in fact black but they didn't post what they really felt but posted otherwise (perhaps to make themselves look better by defending a white, for example). I doubt you'd spend the time to discredit these things or, if you did, I bet that you'd have difficulty.

Michael Brown was a thug, a bully and a punk no matter what color he was. Witnesses, Black Witnesses, testified before a Grand Jury that he charged the officer and tried to take his weapon. He never knelt and said that.


Knelt and said ... what?

Michel has already addressed the many other shootings. Can all be dismissed so easily? Yes, I saw the video of the store being robbed and it did look like it might be Michael Brown. I also saw several minutes of video of Tamir Rice at a seemingly empty park in Ohio, pacing around (IIRC, his sister was visible for a bit at the beginning). Then, with no apparent deletion of intervening video, a police car zooms up. I'd say the time from first seeing the car in a corner of the frame to seeing a body fall is about a mere 2 to 3 seconds. Do you dismiss this one as well? All of them?

BLM is a movement based on a lie.


Which lie?

HANDS UP, DON'T SHOOT is a lie.


It is? How so? This could be read as saying "There longer exists a universal gesture nor statement one can make to indicate surrender to the police."

The more I read what you're saying, I have to back up on the compliment of making what you believe very clear. I'm not so sure now.

They tried to intimidate and bully Hillary Clinton into lip service instead of discussing the issue. Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o4noK5LFLs


Is this the one where she essentially said, "You're not going to be able to change all hearts, so what we need to do is change the laws"?

BLM 'leadership' such as it is ...


Self-appointed leaders are not true leaders.

Now, you worked very hard to redirect the conversation into what you wanted it to be. Yet, all you did was:

1) Attempt to discredit the source.
(A) Did not address the sources within the sources (link to several tweets).
2) Discredit "leaders" of the movement.
3) Discredit me. In my world, facts are the bread and butter. You know little to nothing about me. You have not been around long enough to see my real posts. If I was retired, I would unleash the full power of not distorting facts and cogent reasoning upon you like I used to do here years ago.

You now have, count them, 3 sources, one of them a Fox source and another with sources inside the source. You're going to have to work harder at discrediting.

Furthermore, the fact that you are trying to do so is mind-boggling.

You favor limited government? You are a member of the NRA? You believe you reasonable fear that there will be a time when you need that gun to rise up against an oppressive government ... oppressive authorities? Then why do you have such a hard time believing there were times in recent years that some of our public servants ... our authority figures ... have acted with excessive force ... force not proportional to the situation, whether a white, black, Asian, Latino or whomever else was involved?

If you believe in every single instance that's been discussed the last 1.5 years or so involved a legitimate level of force, well, then, maybe you can just retire, give me your gun because I could use more firepower if our government ever becomes too oppressive.[/quote]
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Message 1718700 - Posted: 26 Aug 2015, 19:50:48 UTC

From your Fox News reference:
Oh,no! Fox talks about it as well! http://fox2now.com/2015/08/07/south-carolina-officer-shoots-unarmed-white-teen-during-pot-bust-2/


"Meredith Clark, an assistant professor at the Mayborn School of Journalism at the University of North Texas who is conducting research on the Black Lives Matter movement, told the Los Angeles Times the lack of outrage over Hammond’s death did not appear to be race-related. She said the lack of compelling video or a history of brutality complaints with the police department was more of a reason the story did not reach national levels."

So tweets by BLM were all they did.

Bye the way, from the quantity and length of your posts, I assumed you WERE retired.....lot of time on your hands? And yes I DO have a lot of time on my hands as I am happily retired, thanks for asking?

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