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Message 1699652 - Posted: 8 Jul 2015, 22:32:05 UTC

It's official. I'm a minority.
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-census-latinos-20150708-story.html
The demographers agreed: at some point in 2014, Latinos would pass whites as the largest ethnic group in California.

Determining when exactly that milestone would occur was more of a tricky question. Counting people isn't like counting movie ticket receipts.

The official confirmation had to wait until new population figures were released by the Census Bureau this summer. The new tally, released in late June, shows that as of July 1, 2014, about 14.99 million Latinos live in California, edging out the 14.92 million whites in the state.

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It's official. I'm a minority.

Don't worry Gary.
Many people are a minority in some ethnic sense.
My GF is part sami https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_people
Since she has a daughter with three children I am very much in minority:)

btw I met a muslim woman all dressed in black, no burka but wearing a big melon, at midnight when I was walking my dog.
She said hello to me:)
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Message 1699734 - Posted: 9 Jul 2015, 4:26:07 UTC - in response to Message 1699681.  

It's official. I'm a minority.

Don't worry Gary.

I'm not worried at all. It is a thing to celebrate!
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Message 1702881 - Posted: 18 Jul 2015, 17:53:37 UTC

So last night I'm sitting in a restaurant eating dinner. Next thing I know there is a black man headed towards the kitchen yelling that we are all racist. He is being followed by a black woman who appears very confused. Neither of them are very well dressed, dirty ripped clothes. Something is mentioned about them wanting the cops to come, apparently they want the cops to arrest all the racists. The scene goes on for a minute or two before they turn around and leave, well he started to but he had to call to the woman several times as she was terribly confused as to which direction the door was, she was silent the entire time, as the entire staff of the restaurant starts arriving at the kitchen entrance worried that this might get physical.

After they exit the host wanders by and I overhead him talking to himself out loud, something to the effect of all this for $10 an hour? Ask my server WTF and am told they are homeless. They had seated them in a section without anyone else as they were so ratty looking. I'm guessing here but I think there was a question if they could pay for what they wanted to order then they were asked to leave. Now what they didn't know is the server they drew has a day job with the Sheriffs department. They also don't know what race the owner of the restaurant is, or that the place has a bunch of regular black customers. But any time a non-black, in this case Hispanic female, makes a decision about a black person that doesn't go the way they want, it is racism in the eyes of the black person. Until we can get past that, there can't be any healing.
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Wondering What 'Privilege' Is? This Video Has Some Answers For You

Es99...

It is you who doesn't understand what the Racist Accusation of 'White Privilege' really is.

Just another term, that Blacks cannot be held to the same level of responsibility, nor expectations, as Non-Blacks.

That Blacks cannot, except with White/Asian/Hispanic acceptance or assistance (Victorian Racist 'White Man's Burden'), succeed.

Unlike ALL other oppressed groups who said to their Oppressors (in this case Whites and Hispanics) "F... You, we can do it".

Clyde, I understand your point. You have made it many times before.

What you are not understanding is what the concept of privilege is and you are conflating with something entirely different.

I think you are doing this deliberately because the whole concept of facing your white, male privilege makes you feel uncomfortable.
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Message 1704393 - Posted: 23 Jul 2015, 21:59:40 UTC - in response to Message 1704369.  

I think you are doing this deliberately because the whole concept of facing your white, male privilege makes you feel uncomfortable.
Be careful Es, I'm not sure he is capable of some feelings, especially empathy.
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Message 1705446 - Posted: 27 Jul 2015, 4:04:28 UTC

http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/26/snoop-dog-arrested-in-sweden-claims-racial-profiling-drugs/
Snoop was arrested in Sweden and he thinks his offense was DWB .. Driving While Black.

Snoop says he was snatched out of his car Saturday and it was a clear case of racial profiling.

Cops say they arrested Snoop because they thought he was driving under the influence of narcotics, but Snoop says he was taken to the station, forced to pee in a cup and police determined he was clean.

The incident occurred in Uppsala, Sweden, after a concert her performed in the city.
UPDATE
A police spokesman tells TMZ, Snoop's not in the clear. He says Snoop showed signs of driving under the influence and it will take 2 weeks to get the test results back. As for Snoops allegation of racial profiling, the spokesman said, "We don't work like that in Sweden."


Don't know their culture.

Essentially the entire Wiki article talks about antisemitism, but it does mention skin color.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Sweden
However from BBC
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-23129242
So a DWB stop is possible.
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Message 1705563 - Posted: 27 Jul 2015, 12:10:20 UTC - in response to Message 1705446.  
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http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/26/snoop-dog-arrested-in-sweden-claims-racial-profiling-drugs/
Snoop was arrested in Sweden and he thinks his offense was DWB .. Driving While Black.

Snoop says he was snatched out of his car Saturday and it was a clear case of racial profiling.

Cops say they arrested Snoop because they thought he was driving under the influence of narcotics, but Snoop says he was taken to the station, forced to pee in a cup and police determined he was clean.

The incident occurred in Uppsala, Sweden, after a concert her performed in the city.
UPDATE
A police spokesman tells TMZ, Snoop's not in the clear. He says Snoop showed signs of driving under the influence and it will take 2 weeks to get the test results back. As for Snoops allegation of racial profiling, the spokesman said, "We don't work like that in Sweden."


Don't know their culture.

Essentially the entire Wiki article talks about antisemitism, but it does mention skin color.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Sweden
However from BBC
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-23129242
So a DWB stop is possible.

Police have previously said to SVT News Uppsala that they did not know that Snoop Dogg was in the car that was stopped, but that it was a pure random check.
They forced me to pee in a cup and they did not find a shit, "f**k you" everybody says Snoop Dogg in video on Instagram.
https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.svt.se%2Fnyheter%2Fregionalt%2Fuppsala%2Fsnoop-dogg-ni-kommer-aldrig-se-mig-i-sverige-igen&edit-text=
However there are many racists in our police force.
I was accused for vandalism some months ago and one policeman said "I hear that you are not from here. Where do you come from". How about that?

btw Jimi Hendrix was once arrested here in Gothenburg:)
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/jimi-hendrix-arrested-sweden/
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Message 1705608 - Posted: 27 Jul 2015, 15:29:13 UTC - in response to Message 1704496.  

Wondering What 'Privilege' Is? This Video Has Some Answers For You

Es99...

It is you who doesn't understand what the Racist Accusation of 'White Privilege' really is.

Just another term, that Blacks cannot be held to the same level of responsibility, nor expectations, as Non-Blacks.

That Blacks cannot, except with White/Asian/Hispanic acceptance or assistance (Victorian Racist 'White Man's Burden'), succeed.

Unlike ALL other oppressed groups who said to their Oppressors (in this case Whites and Hispanics) "F... You, we can do it".

Clyde, I understand your point. You have made it many times before.

What you are not understanding is what the concept of privilege is and you are conflating with something entirely different.

I think you are doing this deliberately because the whole concept of facing your white, male privilege makes you feel uncomfortable.

Negative regarding this Code Word for the belief that Black can't do it without...

Why believe anything negative about me, because of my race? Or possibly the majority of White people?

Do you do accept the notion of Acceptable Bigotry.

You know the type: Whites are (fill-in the negatives). Men are (fill-in the negatives).

Which, of course is no different than Blacks are (fill-in then negatives). Women are (fill-in the negatives). Hispanics are (fill-in the negatives).

Es99...

You don't believe in this Bigotry directed against Men or Whites. Correct?

Be careful Es, I'm not sure he is capable of some feelings, especially empathy.

Gary...

Just came home from celebrating one of my granddaughters 6th birthday.

Explain to me why I would not have empathy for her.

Because she is Black?



From your various posts on this subject, I've come to the conclusion that you write as you, and I'm sure the greater majority of us on this thread, wish that that is the way things are at this point is time. But, unfortunately, that is not the case; it may become absolute fact sometime in the far, far future, but honestly,I don't see it happening in my lifetime and just maybe in your granddaughter's lifetime.

We both truly wish that the animal known as bigotry didn't exist, but it does and we have to confront it as it exist in this time and place. You and I are in a very unique situation that many others can never place themselves in. You with your extended family and me with my mixed heritage. We both acknowledge that bigotry is a major problem, but the perception on how we see it is also a problem. You see it from the view of a Caucasian and I see it through the eyes of an African-American and there lies the greatest problem that race places in this world. The greater majority of Whites in this country, and through out the world, do not understand or if they do understand wish to ignore it; the concept, which is really not a concept at all but true fact, of White Privilege. It is very real and until the white community fully understands, acknowledges, and accepts this concept, bigotry will not end.

With the other hand, we have to look at how the African-American community is attempting to deal with this. Yes, there is a lot of hate coming from my community towards the white community, this cannot be denied. But, we also have to look at the inherent cause of this anger and hate. Yes, the Irish, Italians, and others have been oppressed and have succeeded in being assimilated into the greater American community, but they had the most common denominator working for them, the color of their skin; it was/is not dark. No other community has been oppressed for as long and at such depth as the African-American community and it will take an extremely long time for that to be corrected. As long as a more powerful section of a general community sways power over a less powerful section of that same community, bigotry will prevail.

To give an direct example of this in today's time and place, look at what the Tea/Republican party is doing in regards to voter ID. The greater majority of the states that have enacted these new laws are in the deep south, others are in the mid-west, and the rest are in states where the number of minorities in those states are to point where they will not have a major impact on state and national elections. I may be wrong on this, but I don't think there is a state that is not governed by the Tea/Republican party has these new laws. In N.C., we have a 97-year old African-American great grandmother who fought against the poll tax and won the right to vote, I believe 1947 but I may be wrong on the year, and has been voting each year since she won, but may not be able to vote in the next national election because of these new laws. It's truly amazing how the methods and IDs used that have been valid since the 1964-65 Voting Rights acts have now become obsolete in these states, simply because a large number of a certain community voted for a man to become president, who just happened to be an African-American; not once, but twice. And, many of those that voted had never voted before. That is the main reason why Section V. was attacked at the conservative Supreme Court. All of these new laws that have been put into place, thankfully the more egregious of them are still being shut down, are nothing but poll taxes, which are clearly illegal. Attack the strength long and hard enough (Section V. of the Voters rights Act) and it becomes a weakness. The African-American community is the only community in this country that has to have permission from Congress to vote by reauthorizing the Voting Rights Act, no other community has this distinction.

Another example is the fast food industry as the majority of those working the counters and kitchens are minorities. Keep the pay of these workers at an extreme low and you have power over them.

Then, you have the matter of the Confederate battle flag, a flag that was directed by Gen. Robert E. Lee to be furled and placed in the attic at the end of the civil war. That square flag was resurrected and morphed into the flag of today, by segregationists during the 1950s-1960s Civil Rights era. Southern Whites and many others claim it is a symbol of their heritage, but fail to acknowledge the savagery of slavery and the treason to keep slavery in place.

I won't even get into a discussion on #blacklivesmatter at this point.

Please excuse my ranting, but I do get long winded at times.



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Message 1705624 - Posted: 27 Jul 2015, 16:04:11 UTC - in response to Message 1705608.  
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The African-American community is the only community in this country that has to have permission from Congress to vote by reauthorizing the Voting Rights Act, no other community has this distinction.

Cliff, I think the black community can be as blind to other communities as the white community is to the black community. That is human.
http://www.presente.org/campaign/pennsylvania_billboards/
Of course their normal paperwork issues are more along the lines of page 9 of form I-9, http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/files/form/i-9.pdf
http://www.neontommy.com/news/2014/05/identity-sale-fraudulent-documents-macarthur-park
<ed> the last part about trafficking, that is the code word for modern slavery.
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Message 1705828 - Posted: 28 Jul 2015, 2:00:57 UTC

Here's a very interesting piece that I just ran across - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lorraine-devon-wilke/no-white-people-will-neve_b_7875608.html.


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Message 1705831 - Posted: 28 Jul 2015, 2:24:58 UTC - in response to Message 1705828.  
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Here's a very interesting piece that I just ran across - [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lorraine-devon-wilke/no-white-people-will-neve_b_7875608.html.

No, White People Will Never Understand the Black Experience.
What nonsense is that?
I meet "black" people every day.
Jacqueline from Ghana for instance.
JFK said this "Ich bin ein Berliner".
Geez...
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Message 1705835 - Posted: 28 Jul 2015, 3:08:27 UTC - in response to Message 1705831.  

Here's a very interesting piece that I just ran across - [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lorraine-devon-wilke/no-white-people-will-neve_b_7875608.html.

No, White People Will Never Understand the Black Experience.
What nonsense is that?
I meet "black" people every day.
Jacqueline from Ghana for instance.
JFK said this "Ich bin ein Berliner".
Geez...


Lets' put it another way - " If you can walk in our shoes for a mile, then maybe then you can understand". Meeting "black" people every day is not the same as being in ones' shoes. Here is a young white woman who lived with a black man for at least a year and experienced what we go through each and every day. She literally lived that experience and basically walked in our shoes because of her very close association with that "black" man. I can go on and on, but I think I'll stop here for the time being.


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Message 1705852 - Posted: 28 Jul 2015, 3:53:05 UTC

My first Job in a Cafeteria as a Bus Boy, then a Dish Washer was Wonderful.

The 'Power' Whitey had Over Me as I Busted My Butt had No Effect on me at all.

There 'is' Head Boss, Assistant Bosses and Workers with mO Experience. Workers
ranged from my age to People my Parents age to Grandparents age.

I had No Problem with any of 'it'.

The Money I 'Made' at $1.XX an hour was Way Less than Tradespeople and
others with 'Abilties' , 'Education', and Experience greater than mine.

As Expected and Accepted.

So, What's Da Beef? Why The Anger?

Did I 'Accept' It' All because I Am Privileged? So Damn White?

Man 'O Live.

One Frickin' Sick Ass Nation full of Cry Babies.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!
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Message 1705873 - Posted: 28 Jul 2015, 5:31:12 UTC - in response to Message 1705828.  

Here's a very interesting piece that I just ran across - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lorraine-devon-wilke/no-white-people-will-neve_b_7875608.html.

Cliff, you are right, no light skinned person will ever understand what it is to grow up being told by everyone around you that every bad thing that happens by random chance or otherwise is because your skin tone is dark. You are guilty because you are dark.

The incredible anger this generates is something that no light skinned person will ever understand. The anger that you can't do certain ordinary things, because if you do them some horrible fate will befall you due to your skin tone. The absolute belief that this does not happen to anyone else, the absolute truth that it is always skin tone that is to blame. The self guilt of being dark skinned.

No light skinned person can ever understand.

And no dark skinned person can ever understand what that attitude of anger and self guilt projects onto others. How that changes every interaction they have. How that anger and self guilt is read by others, especially police.

No dark skinned person can ever understand.



No ordinary traffic ticket should ever end up with someone in jail. But you can't unload all your bad past experiences on someone else. I tell my employees at work, no matter how bad the day is going or how big a jerk the last customer was, the guy calling on the phone or the next guy at the counter isn't the same person, take a second or two and treat them as a different person from the last jerk you dealt with. Humans are individuals and first impressions set the tone.

Her death is inexcusable. If she really told the intake officer she had thoughts of suicide, she should have been on suicide watch and being checked very frequently, and in a cell devoid of ways to commit suicide. Someone should be fired for that. Unfortunately, I don't think that error is criminal.
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Message 1705981 - Posted: 28 Jul 2015, 15:08:09 UTC

BTW 2: Just follow Police Instructions. Any problems - Take it up later.

BTW 3: Yes... I have been ordered by police, at gun point from my vehicle, as a middle-aged white male. Of course, I immediately complied with ALL their orders.

Only a totally stupid, brain dead, possibly insane person, would not.


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Message 1708493 - Posted: 4 Aug 2015, 13:54:42 UTC

Blackness Dictionary

'Murder': 'Defending' Myself

Bank 'Robbery': 'Withdrawl' from My Account or 'Closing' My Account.

'Riot': 'Reviltilizing' Da City

If One 'is' 'Privileged' and Not Understand these Definitions, please Refer to Book 'Could of Been My Brother or Son' by PitifulPeacePrizin'HawaiianAyahtollahLovin'Hussein.

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Ah, good old southern boys ....
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Southerners, Phagan Kean says, should not have to apologize for history. Lebow, who recently posted a picture of Frank on Facebook, followed soon after by a photo of Cobb County's first Jewish same-sex wedding, says acknowledging mistakes of history is the only route toward a "newer South."


Reminds me of the Japanese and their refusal to admit their use of comfort women and their cannibalism of POW's.
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Message 1718156 - Posted: 25 Aug 2015, 13:53:23 UTC
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http://abc7.com/news/book-club-booted-off-napa-valley-wine-train/956058/
NAPA, Calif. --
The Napa Valley Wine Train is apologizing to a women's book club after booting them from the train this weekend for allegedly being too loud. The incident has triggered its own hashtag -- #LaughingWhileBlack.

In all the years this black woman's book club has been together, they say they've never been asked to leave an establishment.

"We are a group, we are respectful, we have been together for 17 years," said book club member Lisa Rene Johnson. "We go to fine dining, which is what some people want to call the Napa Wine Train."

She says they were as loud as any other group of 11 people would be if they were having fun on a Saturday.

So, they were shocked to be escorted off the train and met by police at the Saint Helena station.

And they were offended to see a Facebook post from the Wine Train, which has since been deleted. It read in part: "Following verbal and physical abuse towards other guests and staff, it was necessary to get our police involved."


"That is absolutely untrue," Johnson said. "We have never, we never touched anybody."

Napa Valley Wine Train PR consultant Sam Singer said that post was a mistake. He also said the police were never called in to make an arrest.

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