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Message 1691227 - Posted: 14 Jun 2015, 16:23:39 UTC - in response to Message 1691217.  

Micheal she is not trans gender she was and all ways & has been a woman . She is also not black but is infact a white girl with white perents both her father and mother are white .
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Message 1691238 - Posted: 14 Jun 2015, 16:45:35 UTC - in response to Message 1691222.  

The difference I see in the Black culture (and most other cultures)and Asian culture in the US is respect.

What?
Are "Blacks" and "Asians" behaving different in the US?
I know a lot of them speaking of respect.
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Message 1691239 - Posted: 14 Jun 2015, 16:51:16 UTC - in response to Message 1691221.  

To be honest, as I feel that gender is a construct and I feel like a person first and women second, I've never understood why people feel compelled to change their gender rather than society just accepting them for who they are.

No because now you are running the risk of saying that transgender people are essentially people who like to wear woman's clothes but who take it a step further and that if the construct of gender would be gone, they could just dress up the way they want to. Gender might be a construct, in the sense of who is allowed to wear what kind of clothes and or take what kind of roles in society. But being a woman isn't just a construct. A penis or a vagina aren't social constructs. A transgender woman isn't just a guy who has taken wearing woman's clothes to its logical conclusion, its a person who was born in the wrong type of body. So even if we get rid of the social construct of gender, trans people would still exist.

Race is a construct too, and just another way of deciding which group is "better" than another.

Hmm, maybe I see the difference now. Where as with transgender people, it isn't just about switching between the social constructs of gender (that happens perhaps more as a consequence) but actually switching between bodies as well. Race on the other hand, is purely socially constructed. Biologically there is no real difference between a white person and a black person, at least not in the way that there is a difference between a male body and a female body. So switching race would be more akin to switching religion or perhaps sub culture. Its just more contentious because we constructed race to be an inherently contentious thing.

Also, in this woman's case, it didn't help that she told a couple of pretty awful lies about her background.
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Message 1691244 - Posted: 14 Jun 2015, 16:59:51 UTC

'bout 350,000 White Slaves were Killed in 'U.S.' between beginnin' of 1600 to 1750.

After 1750, AfriKans were 'Main' 'Worforce' down South and White Killings subsided. Up North, Whitey continued to
Suffer and Many Died.

Whitey People and Families Leaving The OLD WORLD had Plenty of 'Disruptions', 'Mistreatments', Injuries, Suffering and
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The Numbers are Staggering.

So Yeah, Blacks Whinning, Complaining, Sueing, Rioting, Protesting, and Screaming fO 'Rights' and 'Justice', can KISS MY ASS.

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Message 1691246 - Posted: 14 Jun 2015, 17:10:05 UTC - in response to Message 1691244.  

'bout 350,000 White Slaves were Killed in 'U.S.' between beginnin' of 1600 to 1750.
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You are talking about the Irish?

No one is pretending that the Irish suffered racism. I still remember signs in windows in the UK saying " No coloureds, No Irish".

However, those in indentured servitude had the chance to buy their freedom and their "slavery" was not intergenerational.

Does that somehow negate the American Black experience?
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Message 1691280 - Posted: 14 Jun 2015, 18:23:04 UTC

However, those in indentured servitude had the chance to buy their freedom and their "slavery" was not intergenerational.

Are you familiar with the term 'Company Store' and what it's purpose for existence was?

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Message 1691294 - Posted: 14 Jun 2015, 18:55:33 UTC - in response to Message 1691221.  

I became a black woman in Spokane. But, Rachel Dolezal, I was a black girl first
"Black womanhood is an identity forged in the lived experiences of black children. Anything else perpetuates society’s fetish for celebrating only parts of our bodies"

Thats a really uncomfortable argument. I mean, for any other type of identity, that wouldn't fly. Use that argument against trans people (and that argument has been used against trans people) and see what a can of worms it opens.

I know, people have argued that its not the same, but I'm having a hard time seeing the difference :\

Enlighten me if you do see the difference.

I don't have any answers for you, I am still trying to get my head around it. Those arguments have been made about transgender people, especially the men transitioning to women. I think everyone understands why a woman might want to turn into a man as there are obvious benefits that come with that. The same goes from black people trying to pass as white.

To be honest, as I feel that gender is a construct and I feel like a person first and women second, I've never understood why people feel compelled to change their gender rather than society just accepting them for who they are.

Race is a construct too, and just another way of deciding which group is "better" than another.

Sorry, I just don't have any answers here, so I am going to read both sides and think about.

Interesting. The Black author of the article, Alicia Walters, is arguing that to be black you have to be raised black. So an African raised as white, is white. Seems like there is a lot of racism in that author. Or that author has answered your question saying that DNA has nothing to do with being black and it is entirely cultural. Very interesting.
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Message 1691399 - Posted: 15 Jun 2015, 0:44:11 UTC

How Black Slaves Were Routinely Sold As ‘Specimens’ To Ambitious White Doctors

"The history of human experimentation is as old as the practice of medicine and in the modern era has always targeted disadvantaged, marginalised, institutionalised, stigmatised and vulnerable populations: prisoners, the condemned, orphans, the mentally ill, students, the poor, women, the disabled, children, peoples of colour, indigenous peoples and the enslaved."

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Message 1691407 - Posted: 15 Jun 2015, 1:06:40 UTC - in response to Message 1691239.  

Micheal do you know what being a hermaphrodite is , i suggest you study it .

You may then understand what gender is and why people opt for the full sex change . You will also learn why there are gay people and at what time in a fetus life that happens .

You might be at uni but you still have much to learn about things
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Message 1691409 - Posted: 15 Jun 2015, 1:09:27 UTC - in response to Message 1691407.  

Micheal do you know what being a hermaphrodite is , i suggest you study it .

You may then understand what gender is and why people opt for the full sex change . You will also learn why there are gay people and at what time in a fetus life that happens .

You might be at uni but you still have much to learn about things

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Gender and sex are actually two different things.

For example, a hemaphrodite might have sexual organs from both sex, but identify with one gender more than another.

A person might be of the male sex, but feel their gender is female.
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Message 1691414 - Posted: 15 Jun 2015, 1:19:08 UTC - in response to Message 1691409.  

Micheal do you know what being a hermaphrodite is , i suggest you study it .

You may then understand what gender is and why people opt for the full sex change . You will also learn why there are gay people and at what time in a fetus life that happens .

You might be at uni but you still have much to learn about things

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Gender and sex are actually two different things.

For example, a hemaphrodite might have sexual organs from both sex, but identify with one gender more than another.

A person might be of the male sex, but feel their gender is female.


Yep exactly Ess . Spose i should have read the rest of his post in stead of stopping harf way through reading it which sounded like he didn't understand what gender is .

I understand now . I didn't think using that woman thou was a good example seeing as she doesn't know what she is or is a con artist .

so sorry Micheal i should have read the whole posts i'll shut up now and crawl back down my hole .
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Message 1691447 - Posted: 15 Jun 2015, 2:52:51 UTC - in response to Message 1691414.  

Micheal do you know what being a hermaphrodite is , i suggest you study it .

You may then understand what gender is and why people opt for the full sex change . You will also learn why there are gay people and at what time in a fetus life that happens .

You might be at uni but you still have much to learn about things

Glenn,
Gender and sex are actually two different things.

For example, a hemaphrodite might have sexual organs from both sex, but identify with one gender more than another.

A person might be of the male sex, but feel their gender is female.


Yep exactly Ess . Spose i should have read the rest of his post in stead of stopping harf way through reading it which sounded like he didn't understand what gender is .

I understand now . I didn't think using that woman thou was a good example seeing as she doesn't know what she is or is a con artist .

so sorry Micheal i should have read the whole posts i'll shut up now and crawl back down my hole .


Dang it, Glenn, why are you such an ideologue? (Sarcasm and not meant at your expense.)
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Message 1691449 - Posted: 15 Jun 2015, 3:01:14 UTC - in response to Message 1691447.  

Dang it, Glenn, why are you such an ideologue? (Sarcasm and not meant at your expense.)


Sarge remember i only got a high school education mate theses big words confuse me ahhhhhhh

yes i did look it up but i'm still confused :)
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Message 1691707 - Posted: 15 Jun 2015, 16:00:27 UTC - in response to Message 1691496.  

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Only Racists believe Blacks are incapable.

You're being that guy from the internet again.

Sure they are capable...but does that mean they should have to overcome more obstacles than white people just to succeed? Are you ok with that?

The reality is that because of the legacy of slavery, which has impacted generations and helped to inform white people's perceptions of black people, they do have to better than a white person to succeed.

You might be fine with that, but to call anyone who isn't "racist" is simply ludicrous. Perhaps the problem isn't black people, perhaps its white people like you who refuse to admit there is a problem.
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Message 1691714 - Posted: 15 Jun 2015, 16:04:11 UTC - in response to Message 1691707.  

You might be fine with that, but to call anyone who isn't "racist" is simply ludicrous. Perhaps the problem isn't black people, perhaps its white people like you who refuse to admit there is a problem.

Careful there, your left wing racist bigotry against straight white males is showing ;)
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Message 1691746 - Posted: 15 Jun 2015, 16:49:07 UTC - in response to Message 1691496.  

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The difference I see in the Black culture (and most other cultures)and Asian culture in the US is respect. Respect for each other, respect for authority, respect for family, and respect for tradition. Americas today say if it's old, throw it away and get something new. We no longer value the worth of unity but instead worship the God of diversity as an end instead of as a component of a greater inclusive society.

Do you think that respect or lack of it, might have something to do with the legacy of slavery?
The Asian people were not kept as property and their history and culture destroyed, their families split up and generations of women raped. I suspect that will leave a strong mark on people.

You can't compare them as they did not have the same experience. As far as I am aware the Jim Crow laws did not apply to Asians.

EDIT: I just want to clarify that I am also talking about the legacy of slavery on white people and how it formed stereotypes about black people.

May have different oppression. But...

This 'Blame Game' is self destructive.

Black can do it. They, as others, will do it, and don't other peoples help.

Only Racists believe Blacks are incapable.


But I said teaching for over 20 years has shown me what they are capable of. Yet, in your bizarro definition world, I am an ideologue. So sad.
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Message 1691788 - Posted: 15 Jun 2015, 18:24:50 UTC - in response to Message 1691496.  

Only Racists believe Blacks are incapable.

Looking in the mirror are we?

It might be possible to say that some blacks lack the necessary education, self esteem and hence the determination to succeed. It may even be possible to say that some aspects of their culture reinforce this low self esteem. But they are capable. It is certain that some aspects of Dixie culture are designed to ensure that blacks lack self esteem and hence don't even attempt to succeed.
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Message 1691800 - Posted: 15 Jun 2015, 18:51:55 UTC

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/15/calling-america-land-opportunity-offensive-university-california-warns/
Phrases such as “America is the land of opportunity” and “America is a melting pot" are "micro-aggressions" that could leave some students feeling discriminated against, according to a new faculty training guide put out by the University of California
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The guide, which says those phrases and others can be interpreted by minorities as “denying the significance of a person of color’s racial/ethnic experience and history,” or that they “assimilate to the dominant culture,” is used across the vast, 200,000-student University of California system.
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“These statements may seem innocent, but… they underhandedly and subtly undermine the very real experiences with racism, sexism and other forms of oppression,” OiYan Poon, assistant professor of higher education at Loyola University in Chicago, told FoxNews.com.
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Poon also said that micro-aggressions, a relatively new term for often unintentional slights and snubs that may be perceived as offensive toward women and minorities, do a lot of damage.

“According to psychological and public health research, micro-aggressions can lead to negative health consequences including heart disease, diabetes, depression and substance abuse,” she said.
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But Groseclose believes political correctness has jumped the shark when it can be considered a harmful “micro-aggression” to say something opposed to racism. He said the climate at universities is now so bad that even some liberal professors operate in fear.

“Just before I left UCLA, a liberal colleague and I talked about how disgusting the new micro-aggression policy is. I asked him if he ever worried about being dragged before some investigatory board via some trumped up charges. He responded, ‘That’s why, around here, I just try to minimize my contact with other humans.’”

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Message 1692012 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 4:21:51 UTC - in response to Message 1691997.  

Only Racists believe Blacks are incapable.

Looking in the mirror are we?

It might be possible to say that some blacks lack the necessary education, self esteem and hence the determination to succeed. It may even be possible to say that some aspects of their culture reinforce this low self esteem. But they are capable. It is certain that some aspects of Dixie culture are designed to ensure that blacks lack self esteem and hence don't even attempt to succeed.

No mirror.

It is the White Left which believes Blacks, unlike all other oppressed groups, cannot do it.

It is called the 'Bigotry of Low Expectations'. It permeates all their thinking.

Unbelievably: The White Left calls those who believe Blacks are capable of 'doing it' - Racist.

Who are the real Racists?

The white right and the white center and oh the white left. Remember the right and left are identical, but I think the key word there is white. However, they don't have an exclusive on racism. Other groups like police are also gunning to be number one. [pun not intended] But the biggest racists of them all, are the ones who can only see it in others, radicalize them and call others on it, but swear they are a pure as freshly fallen snow, just like all their good buddies.
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Message 1692163 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 13:37:49 UTC
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Perhaps a motive for deception?...........http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/15/rachel-dolezal-sued-howard_n_7589340.html

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