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Message 1680985 - Posted: 18 May 2015, 9:52:17 UTC - in response to Message 1680976.  
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It has always been said that if you can speak Spanish, English, and French that will get you by in most of the world. By that I mean North and South America, Europe, and Australasia. In Asia, Africa and the Far East you could probably make yourself understood, except in rural China and Russia.

Actually if you speak French, you can go to a lot of African countries and have conversations with people. All of those old French colonies in Africa still speak French as either their first or second language. I think the same holds true for a lot of the old English African colonies (except they speak English instead of French).
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Message 1680988 - Posted: 18 May 2015, 10:00:16 UTC - in response to Message 1680985.  
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It has always been said that if you can speak Spanish, English, and French that will get you by in most of the world. By that I mean North and South America, Europe, and Australasia. In Asia, Africa and the Far East you could probably make yourself understood, except in rural China and Russia.

Actually if you speak French, you can go to a lot of African countries and have conversations with people. All of those old French colonies in Africa still speak French as either their first or second language. I think the same holds true for a lot of the old English African colonies (except they speak English instead of French).

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Afrikaans comes to mind:)
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It's funny because I can read and understand Dutch more then German!

Indo-European languages are spoken by almost 3 billion native speakers,[3] the largest number by far for any recognised language family.
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Message 1681039 - Posted: 18 May 2015, 13:14:19 UTC - in response to Message 1680051.  

"We want to eliminate discrimination of Asian Americans, and we want procedural justice for all racial groups," Yukong Zhao, one of the chief organizers and a guest columnist with the Orlando Sentinel, told NBC News. "All racial groups should be treated equal."


When you consider Asians score on average higher than whites on I.Q test then Harvard University and many others should have more Asians than whites getting the scores that are needed to get in !

But is that the reality ??
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Message 1681049 - Posted: 18 May 2015, 13:48:28 UTC - in response to Message 1681039.  

IQ test? Have you gone William Shockley on us?
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Message 1681054 - Posted: 18 May 2015, 14:17:22 UTC - in response to Message 1681049.  

NO , but if I.Q test are to be believed there should be more Asians than whites in Uni as they are suppose to be smarter than us whities and blackies .
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Message 1681215 - Posted: 18 May 2015, 21:23:25 UTC

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RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) -- A Duke University professor criticized for an online post comparing blacks and Asians said Monday that it's not racist to discuss what he sees as differences in how the groups have performed in the U.S. over the past few decades.
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In his online comments, Hough wrote that Asians have been described as "yellow races" and faced discrimination in 1965 at least as bad as blacks experienced. Of Asian-Americans, he wrote: "They didn't feel sorry for themselves, but worked doubly hard."

The posting goes on to say: "I am a professor at Duke University. Every Asian student has a very simple old American first name that symbolizes their desire for integration. Virtually every black has a strange new name that symbolizes their lack of desire for integration."

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Message 1681223 - Posted: 18 May 2015, 21:37:26 UTC - in response to Message 1681054.  

NO , but if I.Q test are to be believed there should be more Asians than whites in Uni as they are suppose to be smarter than us whities and blackies .

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There are many more Asians and Africans then we are...
In 15 years there will be 2 billion more africans and 1 billion more Asians.
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Message 1681230 - Posted: 18 May 2015, 22:23:20 UTC - in response to Message 1681215.  

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RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) -- A Duke University professor criticized for an online post comparing blacks and Asians said Monday that it's not racist to discuss what he sees as differences in how the groups have performed in the U.S. over the past few decades.
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In his online comments, Hough wrote that Asians have been described as "yellow races" and faced discrimination in 1965 at least as bad as blacks experienced. Of Asian-Americans, he wrote: "They didn't feel sorry for themselves, but worked doubly hard."

The posting goes on to say: "I am a professor at Duke University. Every Asian student has a very simple old American first name that symbolizes their desire for integration. Virtually every black has a strange new name that symbolizes their lack of desire for integration."

hmmm..I guess he is unaware of the fact that black americans had their african names stolen from the them because of slavery and were given white names by their white owners and took the slave masters surnames. This is why they make up their own names, its not about being different. Its about trying to regain some dignity after the forced assimilation of slavery.

The claim that one ethnicity is cleverer of stupider than anther has shown to be false on many occasions and any such claims are racist. What Asian students have is respect for teachers and education. Many black students have a justifiable distrust of the educational institutions and teachers. Its not something that is innate. It is due to history.
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Message 1681232 - Posted: 18 May 2015, 22:36:03 UTC - in response to Message 1681230.  
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hmmm..I guess he is unaware of the fact that black americans had their african names stolen from the them because of slavery and were given white names by their white owners and took the slave masters surnames. This is why they make up their own names, its not about being different. Its about trying to regain some dignity after the forced assimilation of slavery.

OMG. That's theft of identity.
Do Americans identify how people talk as well?
Saying like "I can hear that you are not from here. Where are you from?"
Actually I was asked that question from a "police officer" the other month when I was Walking our dog!
I told him "I don't Think that an police officer should say so."
He said 1-0 to me as if it was a football game...

Only one country in the EU has a majority favouring non-EU immigration:)
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Message 1681240 - Posted: 18 May 2015, 23:01:06 UTC - in response to Message 1681230.  

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DUKE_PROFESSOR_CRITICISM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) -- A Duke University professor criticized for an online post comparing blacks and Asians said Monday that it's not racist to discuss what he sees as differences in how the groups have performed in the U.S. over the past few decades.
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In his online comments, Hough wrote that Asians have been described as "yellow races" and faced discrimination in 1965 at least as bad as blacks experienced. Of Asian-Americans, he wrote: "They didn't feel sorry for themselves, but worked doubly hard."

The posting goes on to say: "I am a professor at Duke University. Every Asian student has a very simple old American first name that symbolizes their desire for integration. Virtually every black has a strange new name that symbolizes their lack of desire for integration."

hmmm..I guess he is unaware of the fact that black americans had their african names stolen from the them because of slavery and were given white names by their white owners and took the slave masters surnames. This is why they make up their own names, its not about being different. Its about trying to regain some dignity after the forced assimilation of slavery.

The claim that one ethnicity is cleverer of stupider than anther has shown to be false on many occasions and any such claims are racist. What Asian students have is respect for teachers and education. Many black students have a justifiable distrust of the educational institutions and teachers. Its not something that is innate. It is due to history.


Furthermore, it's been a long time since I've had an Asian student telling me it's ok to use some English name for him or her. Certainly not in this past year or two.

There are some rare good reasons for changing names. When I was in 8th grade, the church I attended sponsored a family of Vietnames refugees (single mother and 2 boys a little younger than me).

Their first names were Dot and Phuc (pronounced fook). Think a moment and you can see why Don and Frank were suggested as replacements.
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Message 1681245 - Posted: 18 May 2015, 23:08:50 UTC - in response to Message 1681230.  

hmmm..I guess he is unaware of the fact that black americans had their african names stolen from the them because of slavery and were given white names by their white owners and took the slave masters surnames. This is why they make up their own names, its not about being different. Its about trying to regain some dignity after the forced assimilation of slavery.

So 160+ years after slavery ended now the freed slave wants to reclaim their African first name? What about their surname? Last I checked humans don't live 160+ years. No, this is about parents and black is beautiful movement, a somewhat recent development.

Oh, as to those Asians and their names, what the professor doesn't know, because it isn't on his roll sheet, is they mostly have Asian middle name(s). Their parents just chose to give their children a given name that will allow them success in the culture of the USA.

The claim that one ethnicity is cleverer of stupider than anther has shown to be false on many occasions and any such claims are racist. What Asian students have is respect for teachers and education. Many black students have a justifiable distrust of the educational institutions and teachers. Its not something that is innate. It is due to history.

Absolutely, but you need to define innate better. To DNA no. To black culture yes.

However this is the catch 22. Education is the answer to the problem of black poverty. Your words, blacks distrust it. In essence you are saying that black poverty will continue until black attitudes change.
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Message 1681246 - Posted: 18 May 2015, 23:11:49 UTC
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Here muslim people somteimes change there names to european names in their CV's just to get a chance of getting to a job interview...

@Gary What is a black Culture?
I got a black magic woman...
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Message 1681266 - Posted: 19 May 2015, 0:27:26 UTC - in response to Message 1681245.  


So 160+ years after slavery ended now the freed slave wants to reclaim their African first name? What about their surname? Last I checked humans don't live 160+ years. No, this is about parents and black is beautiful movement, a somewhat recent development.

Gary, since I've been told by many black people this is the reason for the strange names, I am going to go with what they say about it rather than your theory.

Oh, as to those Asians and their names, what the professor doesn't know, because it isn't on his roll sheet, is they mostly have Asian middle name(s). Their parents just chose to give their children a given name that will allow them success in the culture of the USA.

Well this 'professor' talks to her asian students and the names are often chosen by the student. They get frustrated with trying to get white people to say their names properly. My work colleague has a beautiful asian name, but she uses and Anglicised version because it is easier for white people to say and spell. At least that is what she tells me. If you want I can tell her that Gary from the internet says she is wrong about her name.


Absolutely, but you need to define innate better. To DNA no. To black culture yes.

However this is the catch 22. Education is the answer to the problem of black poverty. Your words, blacks distrust it. In essence you are saying that black poverty will continue until black attitudes change.

Or until white attitudes change and we do something to make reparations and rebuild the trust we broke.
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Message 1681322 - Posted: 19 May 2015, 4:17:50 UTC - in response to Message 1681245.  
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Oh, as to those Asians and their names, what the professor doesn't know, because it isn't on his roll sheet, is they mostly have Asian middle name(s). Their parents just chose to give their children a given name that will allow them success in the culture of the USA.


Because of privacy, I cannot list names of recent Asian students. But, in recent years, I have seen no sign of Anglicized names. And the last time an Asian student/colleague told me I could call him an Anglican name was over 10 years ago. Why call him Charles when Ling Ji (leeng gee) is easy to pronounce? I do my best to pronounce all names as correctly as possible: eastern European, middle eastern, Asian, Hispanic/Latino, etc. ... .
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Message 1681344 - Posted: 19 May 2015, 5:22:11 UTC

Or until white attitudes change and we do something to make reparations and rebuild the trust we broke.

ROTFLMAO

Trillions and Trillions and Trillions have Gone to Them through Millions and Millions and Millions of Gubment an U S P S Jobs Jobs Jobs.

Along with Many Many Many Other 'Entitlements'.

They've Been Repaid.

Trust? F' 'em. Welcome to The HuWoMan 'Race'.


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Message 1681498 - Posted: 19 May 2015, 15:54:25 UTC - in response to Message 1681322.  

Oh, as to those Asians and their names, what the professor doesn't know, because it isn't on his roll sheet, is they mostly have Asian middle name(s). Their parents just chose to give their children a given name that will allow them success in the culture of the USA.


Because of privacy, I cannot list names of recent Asian students. But, in recent years, I have seen no sign of Anglicized names. And the last time an Asian student/colleague told me I could call him an Anglican name was over 10 years ago. Why call him Charles when Ling Ji (leeng gee) is easy to pronounce? I do my best to pronounce all names as correctly as possible: eastern European, middle eastern, Asian, Hispanic/Latino, etc. ... .

All I can go on is the legal names I type every day at work. Perhaps they tend to be from the parents than the children. It may be how many generations the family has been resident, regional, or differences between Thai, Laotian, Vietnamese, Korean, Chinese, Japanese.
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Message 1681518 - Posted: 19 May 2015, 21:24:15 UTC - in response to Message 1681245.  

In essence you are saying that black poverty will continue until black attitudes change.

Only if you think that better education results in less poverty, which is far from true. Even if you improve the average level of education for black people, they still face systemic racism everywhere else that will significantly reduce their chances of escaping poverty. Better education alone is not enough to end poverty, it needs to be accompanied by a wide range of measures in nearly every aspect of American culture.
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Message 1681658 - Posted: 20 May 2015, 5:54:10 UTC - in response to Message 1681518.  

In essence you are saying that black poverty will continue until black attitudes change.

Only if you think that better education results in less poverty, which is far from true.
I'm so glad you have data that shows that high school dropouts are richer than people with masters degrees. Perhaps you will share that data source with us so we can be enlightened at how the conventional wisdom on that is wrong. https://admit.washington.edu/Paying/Value Hint 1.6 million dollars.

Even if you improve the average level of education for black people, they still face systemic racism everywhere else that will significantly reduce their chances of escaping poverty. Better education alone is not enough to end poverty, it needs to be accompanied by a wide range of measures in nearly every aspect of American culture.

http://www.laweekly.com/arts/caltech-professor-says-a-lot-of-what-you-know-about-scientists-like-newton-and-darwin-is-wrong-5563177
Scientists would agree. Recently, psychologist Angela Duckworth has begun overturning fundamental conventional wisdom about the role intelligence plays in our life trajectories with research illustrating that, no matter the arena, it’s often not the smartest kids in the room who become the most successful; it’s the most determined ones.

Let me ask a dumb question. If you are brought up in a culture that tells you, you can't succeed because the man will slap you down, so you don't even try, will you succeed? Does it even matter if the man does or doesn't slap you down? Yes, the culture that says you can't get ahead even if you try, needs to change.

As most everyone who posts here is very far removed from the ghetto and attitudes of the ghetto it can be very hard to understand how much depression and lack of self worth is in that attitude. You might ask yourself why it was called the Great Depression and if that might have anything to do with the ghetto.

Ask a therapist if they can change someone's mind. You should hear a resounding no. They have to want to change it themselves. All the therapist can do is try and steer a person to realizing that they do want to change. Some will examine all the facts and decide that they don't want to change.

Even if 100% of racism were to stop tomorrow, would there be any change? Unfortunately, not much. There is a lot of cultural momentum that needs to change and that could take many generations.

But ES99, posted a link to an article that said colorblind was racist. So that means that even if 100% of it were to stop, it is still racist. Not sure about that math. Thinking about that another way, the argument is to not be racist, you must consider race. Sounds like we have some circular thinking. Or someone wants to extract vengeance by corruption of blood.

Finally we have the lawsuit by the Asian students saying that the racial preference policy that puts blacks ahead -- considering race to be non-racist -- is in fact racist to their group. So the cure to racism, is different racism?

I know you can fight fire with fire, but to do so you must write off a portion of what you want to save. I don't buy doing that with human life, but I guess there are academics who do.

Also, even if you do make it too easy for a group to succeed can they? If you give them success on a silver platter, can they keep it? Or did they need to struggle with determination to get it to actually be successful?

Now about 100%, that can't ever be attained. 99% may be about the limit. There will always be idiots and troglodytes. At 1% they may be enough to justify the stereotype of the big bad racist white man who will slap you down if you try and become upwardly mobile. And I'm no fool, I know it isn't close to 1% yet, but it is no where near the 99.9% racism of Dixie in the early 60's.

Let me also be clear education isn't just the three r's. Education must be well rounded, it must include instilling a burning desire to learn. It has to include how to make your children better. It needs to even include some of the factors of The Million Dollar Success Plan. It isn't IQ but, determination that determines success.

Now as to education: http://www.latimes.com/local/education/la-me-lausd-college-prep-20150506-story.html
As many as three-quarters of Los Angeles 10th-graders are at risk of being denied diplomas by graduation because they are not on track to meet rigorous new college prep class requirements.

This has prompted some in the L.A. Unified School District, including Supt. Ramon C. Cortines, to suggest reconsidering the requirements, which were approved a decade ago to better prepare students for college. The plan came after years of complaints that the nation's second-largest school system was failing to help underprivileged students become eligible for and succeed in college.

So here the system is trying to get students better prepared, but fails. Why is a big question. Is it a teaching issue? Is it a parenting issue? Go back an reread what I said about my teacher friend and what he faces in his classroom. Consider the comment above that is it the most determined that are successful, and that now there are calls to lower the standards.

The reality is education is the only tool we have that can end poverty. It also isn't capable of a 100% fix, and there is nothing else that can either. As long as our society and language has concepts of mine and yours poverty will exist. Some level of poverty is a requirement of our society. Unfortunately as long as we have classification and preference as concepts in our language there will be racism.

The lesson? Stop looking for some magic bullet quick 100% fix. It doesn't exist and doing so only prolongs the problem by wasting resources, and creating false expectations which exacerbates the problem.

Last word, education is an answer. It doesn't matter if you like it or dislike it. Like or dislike doesn't change validity.
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As most everyone who posts here is very far removed from the ghetto and attitudes of the ghetto it can be very hard to understand how much depression and lack of self worth is in that attitude. You might ask yourself why it was called the Great Depression and if that might have anything to do with the ghetto

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Speak for yourself. I lived and worked in the ghetto for nearly 20 years. I had these issues up in my face on a daily basis.

The UK never had a Great Depression, but it certainly has racism.
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Minorities and inequalty goes in hand in hand.
As part of a progressive study, the European Foundation for the Improvement of Living and Working Conditions (Eurofound) analyzed wages across the EU.
The report, titled Recent Developments in the Distribution of Wages in Europe, scrutinized data from 2004 to 2011 - the period before and after the onset of the Great Recession.
It found that the UK has the highest Gini coefficient of any EU member state - higher than that of the US. The coefficient is a widely used measure of income distribution within a nation, and is often used to calculate inequality.

http://rt.com/uk/259893-inequality-britain-worst-eu/

Staff at a UK young offenders’ prison run by private security firm G4S were high on drugs, racist and subjected children to degrading treatment, a report by Britain’s education watchdog has revealed.
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