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Thank you Annie for proving my point.

Any comments about should've been kept to this thread, not dragged by another into another thread by someone else. ;-)

Cheers.

Wiggo, just because you feel a certain way it doesn't mean you are right. Seeing as you yourself are complaining about something that happened in another thread, I wonder how seriously you believe that rule anyway. So perhaps you should keep your complaints over there if that is really how you feel?

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Mothers Of Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice Speak Together For The First Time

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Video shows John Crawford's girlfriend aggressively questioned after Ohio police shot him dead in Walmart

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If you can't already tell Es99, I take it very seriously.

@Wiggo: Just tidying up a loose end :)
First post on "the subject" in this thread

Thank you Annie for proving my point.

Any comments about should've been kept to this thread, not dragged by another into another thread by someone else. ;-)

Cheers.

Erm... we are IN the "Racist? [yes you are]" thread aren't we? Just asking. That is kind of where my link took us I thought... page two of THIS thread according to my browser - near the bottom. Oh... and you're welcome Wiggo :) although I'm not sure what point I proved :)

Video shows John Crawford's girlfriend aggressively questioned after Ohio police shot him dead in Walmart

Aggressively questioned? Perhaps, but where is the racism?

Some more scary things Sweden Democrats want to implement:(

"To do this, ie, abstain (from using waterboarding as an interrogation method, our note), I mean would not only be a gross misconduct but is more, a betrayal of the West."

@Wiggo: Just tidying up a loose end :)
First post on "the subject" in this thread

Thank you Annie for proving my point.

Any comments about should've been kept to this thread, not dragged by another into another thread by someone else. ;-)

Cheers.

Erm... we are IN the "Racist? [yes you are]" thread aren't we? Just asking. That is kind of where my link took us I thought... page two of THIS thread according to my browser - near the bottom. Oh... and you're welcome Wiggo :) although I'm not sure what point I proved :)

but he's complaining about something that happened in another thread on the grounds that you don't drag arguments from one thread to another. Apart from the fact that is exactly what he is doing as you've pointed out Clyde's comments was made in a context that was appropriate to either thread.

Wiggo has tried desperately to insist that the shooting of Michael Brown was not racist. I very strongly believe it was. Gary created this thread to carry on that discussion, so really there is a large overlap between the two threads and the separation is artificial anyway.

However, Wiggo's new rule that you can't bring up something someone uses in an argument elsewhere is obviously ridiculous and seems to me more like an attempt at face saving.

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Video shows John Crawford's girlfriend aggressively questioned after Ohio police shot him dead in Walmart

Aggressively questioned? Perhaps, but where is the racism?

The racism is where an black man carrying a bb gun was gunned down by police and no charges were bought. (where a white man can open carry an actual gun and insist he is enjoying his 2nd amendment rights). The racism is where his already traumatised girlfriend is accused of being on drugs and lying.

The racism is where a black man gets strangled to death by police and no charges are bought.

The racism is where a black 12 year old is gunned down in a playground by police and no charges are bought.

The racism is where a teenage boy goes out to buy a pack sweets and is shot dead by a security guard and the man is not convicted of murder.

The racism is because there are so many stories like this and they don't even keep statistics on on it.

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@Wiggo: Just tidying up a loose end :)
First post on "the subject" in this thread

Thank you Annie for proving my point.

Any comments about should've been kept to this thread, not dragged by another into another thread by someone else. ;-)

Cheers.

Erm... we are IN the "Racist? [yes you are]" thread aren't we? Just asking. That is kind of where my link took us I thought... page two of THIS thread according to my browser - near the bottom. Oh... and you're welcome Wiggo :) although I'm not sure what point I proved :)

but he's complaining about something that happened in another thread on the grounds that you don't drag arguments from one thread to another. Apart from the fact that is exactly what he is doing as you've pointed out Clyde's comments was made in a context that was appropriate to either thread.

Ohhhhhhhh... I get it now :) Yes... well... Clyde did mention it in the other thread too. Definite thread overlap.

*re-read pre-posting to avoid edits for spelling errors etc*

Oh dear... you know the bit where I said I got it... well now I don't :/ *leave thread confused*

edit: so where should I have posted this?

edit2: Going for a lie down now... just read three whole threads (two of which led to this one being started) and have suffered a brain splat injury. Please note: The following is being posted whilst still suffering from its effects. HOW can anyone continue a discussion about race in a thread we've been told is not about race? And if there are significant precedences that lead any ONE of us to feel that a tangle with the police and the subsequent aftermath may have had racial overtones... then this must be the correct thread to post them in under the rules recently laid out for us surely?

Video shows John Crawford's girlfriend aggressively questioned after Ohio police shot him dead in Walmart

Aggressively questioned? Perhaps, but where is the racism?

The racism is where an black man carrying a bb gun was gunned down by police and no charges were bought. (where a white man can open carry an actual gun and insist he is enjoying his 2nd amendment rights). The racism is where his already traumatised girlfriend is accused of being on drugs and lying.

The racism is where a black man gets strangled to death by police and no charges are bought.

The racism is where a black 12 year old is gunned down in a playground by police and no charges are bought.

The racism is where a teenage boy goes out to buy a pack sweets and is shot dead by a security guard and the man is not convicted of murder.

The racism is because there are so many stories like this and they don't even keep statistics on on it.

John Crawford's girlfriend being interrogated is not racism.
However Police accusing witnesses being on drugs and lying is unfortunately quite common.
Have been there...

Video shows John Crawford's girlfriend aggressively questioned after Ohio police shot him dead in Walmart

Aggressively questioned? Perhaps, but where is the racism?

The racism is where an black man carrying a bb gun was gunned down by police and no charges were bought. (where a white man can open carry an actual gun and insist he is enjoying his 2nd amendment rights). The racism is where his already traumatised girlfriend is accused of being on drugs and lying.

The racism is where a black man gets strangled to death by police and no charges are bought.

The racism is where a black 12 year old is gunned down in a playground by police and no charges are bought.

The racism is where a teenage boy goes out to buy a pack sweets and is shot dead by a security guard and the man is not convicted of murder.

The racism is because there are so many stories like this and they don't even keep statistics on on it.

John Crawford's girlfriend being interrogated is not racism.
However Police accusing witnesses being on drugs and lying is unfortunately quite common.
Have been there...

Police tactics are frequently repulsive to some segments of society. It is a very dirty job.

Was it racist? By ES99's rules it is impossible for the police not to be racist. Perhaps a better question is to ask if an Arab would have been treated differently? Go down your list of races and ethnicities. Then put the last two in, white trash and white politician. Ask, would it be different? Is it racist? Or are you just putting your personal prejudices in the form of assumptions in the question and getting the answer you wish to hear? The answers you got are actually closer to the question; Am I racist?

Truth be told, absent overt racism, or a mind meld, none of us has enough information about any isolated specific incident to draw a valid conclusion.

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HOHUM Beatin' and Beatin' and Beatin' 'it' and mO fOin' 'it' fO Over 400 Years. DRum DRum dat 'is'.

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http://www.examiner.com/article/activists-at-new-york-protest-what-do-we-want-dead-cops

http://www.examiner.com/article/white-man-who-joins-eric-garner-protest-struck-head-with-hammer-by-blacks

Hammers in NYC And In The Berkeley Protests...If I Had A Hammer...Ooooba

Mary O Clones or Not?

I Love Protestors, Don't You?

Yep.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Racist 'is' such an Ugly Word

Would dat make Turd a Smelly Word?

'Is' 'it' How we 'See' which Makes Anything Ugaaleee?

Seems to mee, Such 'is' So and Will Always Bee

But, As We See, we doo doo Think Unwholesomely

Our Thoughts do Many Times Destroy the Trees

And All Ugliness May Vanish, if Only We Blink

Hard and Long, before We Think

Of Another Action so many Believe Stinks

And So I Close, with A Hard[y] TeeHeeTeeHeeTeeeHeee

Mee Thinks

Yep

A sight for sore eyes or a sore sight for...eyes, you may fill in the blank yourself my friend:) Our thoughts do not only affect trees either...

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http://www.examiner.com/article/activists-at-new-york-protest-what-do-we-want-dead-cops

Hammers in NYC And In The Berkeley Protests...If I Had A Hammer...Ooooba

Mary O Clones or Not?

I Love Protestors, Don't You?

Yep.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30478321
Yep.

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http://www.examiner.com/article/white-man-who-joins-eric-garner-protest-struck-head-with-hammer-by-blacks

Mary O is Proud.

Yep

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Video shows John Crawford's girlfriend aggressively questioned after Ohio police shot him dead in Walmart

Aggressively questioned? Perhaps, but where is the racism?

The racism is where an black man carrying a bb gun was gunned down by police and no charges were bought. (where a white man can open carry an actual gun and insist he is enjoying his 2nd amendment rights). The racism is where his already traumatised girlfriend is accused of being on drugs and lying.
The racism is where a black man gets strangled to death by police and no charges are bought.
The racism is where a black 12 year old is gunned down in a playground by police and no charges are bought.
The racism is where a teenage boy goes out to buy a pack sweets and is shot dead by a security guard and the man is not convicted of murder.
The racism is because there are so many stories like this and they don't even keep statistics on on it.

John Crawford's girlfriend being interrogated is not racism.
However Police accusing witnesses being on drugs and lying is unfortunately quite common.
Have been there...

Police tactics are frequently repulsive to some segments of society. It is a very dirty job.
Was it racist? By ES99's rules it is impossible for the police not to be racist. Perhaps a better question is to ask if an Arab would have been treated differently? Go down your list of races and ethnicities. Then put the last two in, white trash and white politician. Ask, would it be different? Is it racist? Or are you just putting your personal prejudices in the form of assumptions in the question and getting the answer you wish to hear? The answers you got are actually closer to the question; Am I racist?
Truth be told, absent overt racism, or a mind meld, none of us has enough information about any isolated specific incident to draw a valid conclusion.

I'm also a 'racist'. As other ethnic people treat me.
But for some reason we 'white' people is more superior...

I'm also a 'racist'. As other ethnic people treat me.
But for some reason we 'white' people is more superior...

"Superior" people? Are you serious? Each race/religion/colour or whatever other name you wish to give it are more racist towards their own than others. To prove that, just look to the forums: -

The Great Unwashed
White collar workers
Blue collar workers
The 1%'ers
The "elites"
Upper Class
Middle Class
Working Class
The disabled

I had my late mother in stiches one year by telling her a crude but highly effective quote: -

The only difference between me & the Queen of England is that she is female & I'm male. When in the WC, she has to wipe her butt just as I have (Unless she has a lady-in-waiting do it for her!) & like the rest of us, born & when it's time, die.

Anything else is just labelling, the question is WHY?

Anything else is just labelling, the question is WHY?

You are getting dangerously close to the real issue. There are forces that will conspire to shut you up before you can utter it however.

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Video shows John Crawford's girlfriend aggressively questioned after Ohio police shot him dead in Walmart

Aggressively questioned? Perhaps, but where is the racism?

The racism is where an black man carrying a bb gun was gunned down by police and no charges were bought. (where a white man can open carry an actual gun and insist he is enjoying his 2nd amendment rights). The racism is where his already traumatised girlfriend is accused of being on drugs and lying.

The racism is where a black man gets strangled to death by police and no charges are bought.

The racism is where a black 12 year old is gunned down in a playground by police and no charges are bought.

The racism is where a teenage boy goes out to buy a pack sweets and is shot dead by a security guard and the man is not convicted of murder.

The racism is because there are so many stories like this and they don't even keep statistics on on it.

John Crawford's girlfriend being interrogated is not racism.
However Police accusing witnesses being on drugs and lying is unfortunately quite common.
Have been there...

Police tactics are frequently repulsive to some segments of society. It is a very dirty job.

Was it racist? By ES99's rules it is impossible for the police not to be racist. Perhaps a better question is to ask if an Arab would have been treated differently? Go down your list of races and ethnicities. Then put the last two in, white trash and white politician. Ask, would it be different?

We know it would be. We know for example that some rich white boys got to claim that prison would be too hard for them and they were let off.

What you are discussing here is intersectionality where different groups and different prejudices intersect. For example, during the ferguson protests some women who had done most of the organising for a rally were pushed aside by the men when it came to media speaking and their role ignored. The same thing happened during the occupy movement. An upper class white woman might try to dominate a discussion on feminism and marginalise her black or lower class colleagues. On many occasions I have seen men who claim to be feminists try to take over feminist groups and start telling women how to be good feminists. Then of course there are issues with how disabled people or gay people are treated.

The one group that comes out on top or is considered dominant in all these discussions is the white rich male. I think it was Chris Rock who said he liked being famous because it was like being white. Look at how much Bill Cosby has gotten away with because he is famous.

These are all topics that are worthy of discussion. However the case of how black people (and you'll notice that even though a large amount of black women are treated appallingly by the justice system they don't seem to be heard about as much) are treated is really quite obvious. You don't call it a rain storm by looking at each individual drop. You call it rain storm when you can no longer ignore all the damn rain falling out of the sky.

Is it racist? Or are you just putting your personal prejudices in the form of assumptions in the question and getting the answer you wish to hear? The answers you got are actually closer to the question; Am I racist?

If you are not aware of the privilege that comes with being a white male and you aren't monitoring how it affects your interactions and assumptions with others, then yes, you probably are.

Truth be told, absent overt racism, or a mind meld, none of us has enough information about any isolated specific incident to draw a valid conclusion.

Which is why you can't look at them in isolation. That is just another way of pretending that there isn't a problem.

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Okay, I'll come clean, I'm racist!

Past girlfriends: -
Jewish
German
Korean
Chinese
Pilipino
Jamaican
Canadian

All got ready for a special night out in 30 - 45 minutes

2 English girlfriends;

Stockings - 15 minutes
Lingerie - 15 minutes
Blouse & Skirt - 20 minutes
Hairdo - 45 minutes
Makeup - 60 minutes

Guess which ones I hated the most!