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Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
This thread is going nowhere in the fast lane and is out of control. Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
If Clyde had made a post in that thread before that post I linked I must of missed it and then I'm sorry, but the only posts that I've see of Clyde mentioning his family there were after it. I disagree. Conversation is not a rigid linear thing and the context would have been the same, even if it were a different thread. I have never heard of these rules you are trying to enforce and I don't even agree that they apply to this situation. Reality Internet Personality |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
This thread is going nowhere in the fast lane and is out of control. Could you please clarify? Seems perfectly fine to me. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Racist? [yes you are] Hev, I'll toss your post http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=76273&postid=1613546 in here I'll just chuck this in for now, I have to run... http://www.brocku.ca/english/jlye/ideology.php wrote: for the mods:Copyright 1997 by John Lye. This text may be freely used, with attribution, for non-profit purposes. Now as to systemic racism, it is that, or is a large measure of it an ideology where race was not a specific factor in forming the ideology, but happens to fit, such as holding down the poor. Think about an example, one which was discussed at length a couple years ago, that being the Roma, or travelers. They are subject of the very same systemic forces. The Latino people are subject to it in the USA. You will find it in the issues in Northern Ireland. It exists in China in Tibet and Xinjiang. This does not make it right; it is still terrible. It does suggest the issue is much wider than simple skin color that the word racism implies. As I alluded too when I said culturalism many posts ago. The opening article I quoted talked about tribalism. I'm thinking racism is to narrow a word to describe the systemic forces. Perhaps "hegemony" is a better word for it. |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
This thread is going nowhere in the fast lane and is out of control. What's Laughable is The Smirking Face to The Left of The Original Quote 'is' Typing 'it'. But, I Love People who Say Almost Nothing and Say 'it' with One Condescending Sentence. I Say More with Oooba or Gooba or Gaaba or Heeba Haaba. Yep. May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Colour prejudice is one side of racism, but the purest form of racism is 2 statements seen quite regularly on many forums... "Please do not feed the animals" "The Great Unwashed" ...so to see either of them on a "Racism" thread is totally... |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
... Are you kidding me? You've called me so many names in this forum I've lost track. You've even done it in this thread. Now you persist in this fantasy of "you insulted my family" as if we were in the school yard. I don't know why I waste my time talking to you. Reality Internet Personality |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
This is a really good article on the issues in this thread and perhaps we can start talking about "whiteness" rather than being stuck on the "I'm not racist because...." part of the discussion. This a description of a white person trying to talk to white people about racism. I think you will see that there are some commonalities with this debate here: Deeply Embarrassed White People Talk Awkwardly About Race On Clyde's complaint that I suggested that his black relatives might not want to discuss racism, here is an extract that sums up my thinking behind that statement. Considering Clydes reaction to even discussing racism and his reactions, I think it is definitely something he might want to think about. "So one answer to the question What can I do? is simple: Listen. Believe. "I had to stop talking to white people about race, because I kept getting retraumatized," an African American friend told me about her days as a diversity trainer. "They just wanted to talk about why they weren't racist."" Reality Internet Personality |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
... Clyde, I am beginning to wonder if you actually read posts before replying. Reality Internet Personality |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Well the can of worms has been open, I just hope that they're not woodworms that start to bring the house down. |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
Racist 'is' such an Ugly Word Would dat make Turd a Smelly Word? 'Is' 'it' How we 'See' which Makes Anything Ugaaleee? Seems to mee, Such 'is' So and Will Always Bee But, As We See, we doo doo Think Unwholesomely Our Thoughts do Many Times Destroy the Trees And All Ugliness May Vanish, if Only We Blink Hard and Long, before We Think Of Another Action so many Believe Stinks And So I Close, with A Hard[y] TeeHeeTeeHeeTeeeHeee Mee Thinks Yep May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
anniet Send message Joined: 2 Feb 14 Posts: 7105 Credit: 1,577,368 RAC: 75 |
Racist? [yes you are] Well :) out of curiosity, and to save Es some time, I took the "Race (Black People White People IAT)" test... and am apparently in the six percent of people who have a "Slight automatic preference for Black people compared to White people". Didn't surprise me an awful lot given where I spent my formative years and with whom, and how the only people who ever hurt me or made me afraid were "my own kind" (for want of a better phrase). Does that make me racist Gary? :) I'll let you decide :) I then took the Skin-tone (Light Skin-Dark Skin IAT) and apparently am in the 17% of people who show "Little to no automatic preference" to the shade of someone's skin. There are loads of other tests on all sorts of topics regarding prejudice or bias so I will be pottering amongst them over the next few days to see what more I can learn about me :) but first I am going to do this one: The University of Chicago Shooter Test will see your likelihood of shooting someone who could be pulling out a cellphone or a gun, depending on what race they are. Another interesting test. ...if I EVER get the page to load that is. It's just a flight of fancy as I have never owned a gun, nor will I ever shoot one :) Oh and for those who are interested, there's a mobile phone app in the form of a game played over seven days that gives you the opportunity to role play everyday racism. I might give that a go too :) Now... I just need to find a test to see how much more I prefer animals (of all kinds) to humans :) @Wiggo: Just tidying up a loose end :) First post on "the subject" in this thread @Es - my apologies for not finding it earlier (and for only mentioning that it had cropped up elsewhere - which it has) |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Racist? [yes you are] Appreciate the detective work. Also interested in the tests you have been doing. I am quite sure upbringing has a lot to do with it. I still remember the first black person I saw when I was a child, how very strange and very different it was. I am not sure how I would do on such a test as yours as I initially grew up in a very white area. Reality Internet Personality |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
The 99One said: am not sure how I would do on such a test as yours as I initially grew up in a very white area. I Love You Being My Straight Man, 'cuse, Lady. Setin' Me Up Beautifully fO My Next Volley. I Grew Up and Have Lived Around/In, Almost My Whole Life, and Now, in The Exact Opposite. Why The Only Black People who Impress Me are Men or Woman Like This: However, I Do Love This Black Man This Sheriff is Da Bomb, and There Are Cropping Up Lately, Many Bombs Like This'n. GOD, I Love The Conversation The PeacePrizer has Started. Yep. May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
In an interview with the DN newspaper that was published on Sunday the Sweden Democrats party secretary Björn Söder said that Jews and Sami are not considered to be Swedish if they are not assimilated! For heavens sake Sami and Jews have lived in Sweden for generations. Especially Sami who lived here long before the swedes came to Sweden thousand of years ago. It's like saying that native americans are not americans and should be assimilated. Racism are increasing in Europe and it start to smell like the 1930's. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
In an interview with the DN newspaper that was published on Sunday the Sweden Democrats party secretary Björn Söder said that Jews and Sami are not considered to be Swedish if they are not assimilated! It means you have to look and behave like a "swede". Whatever that is. Practicing religon and traditions that is not "Swedish" should probably be banned. Non Swedish Culture should not be in public spaces. Even Willy Silberstein, president of the Swedish Committee Against Antisemitism, criticized Björn Söder. - I am a Jew, born in Sweden. I am Swedish as much as Björn Söder. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
In an interview with the DN newspaper that was published on Sunday the Sweden Democrats party secretary Björn Söder said that Jews and Sami are not considered to be Swedish if they are not assimilated! Agreed. Reality Internet Personality |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
What does he mean by 'Assimilate'? I found from the Sweden Democrats party program what it means.
Now this is not unique to Sweden. Look at France, Greece and Hungary. Almost forgot. British UKIP. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
What does he mean by 'Assimilate'? I think you could add nearly every country and religion in the world to that list. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
@Wiggo: Just tidying up a loose end :) Thank you Annie for proving my point. Any comments about should've been kept to this thread, not dragged by another into another thread by someone else. ;-) Cheers. |
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