Wiggo...

What does "Now it's back to the cricket for me", mean?

I mean in American (inferior) English.

He is watching a game of cricket.

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So you are not going to explain what you found so offensive about the post you bought up, despite being so outraged about it?

Now that there's another break in the cricket I'll answer you.

The reason has already been posted, but I'll explain it a bit more clearly just for your benefit.

I've been kicking around many forums since '97 and I'd have imagined that you should've been around long enough to have come across this as well (but I could be wrong), whether written or not, it has always been regarded as extremely offensive to bring someone else's family into a discussion like that just to make a point, in a lot of forums doing this would get you permanently banned.

It's ok for someone to bring their own family into a discussion, but not for someone else to do so, that's just regarded as the lowest of low acts.

Now do you understand why people react the way they do when this is done?

BTW, just for the record, I've yet to be banned or put on holidays from any forum that I've ever been involved with and I've also been a mod in several of them so maybe that will explain where I'm coming from to your satisfaction.

Now it's back to the cricket for me.

Edited for spelling, wording and punctuation mistakes.

Could you please source these rules for me? I have never heard of them, perhaps if they exist they should be put in the forum rules.

Although it seems unfair to bring your own family into a discussion to make a point but not to let others respond to this point.

Although it seems unfair to bring your own family into a discussion to make a point but not to let others respond to this point.

You certainly have that backwards and wrong there and it was not about how you have stated it at all so read my post again.

If someone brings their family into a discussion then a response can be made, but Clyde didn't bring his family into that thread, Es99 did though. ;-)

Clyde I'm a fan of all forms of the game of cricket, but today was the last day of the 1st Test match between us and India. :-)

Cheers.

Just because you read something in a Paper, Does not not make it true. As one example I will use the cold fusion Paper. That dosent make it wrong, But so far what they stated has'nt come true in repeated testing.
And I dont think anyone in here has stated that they are not racists. We all are to some degree.

As for hurt feelings. Maybe for me thats the case. But for Bi-Racial children, they get the stigma of not belonging to either race. Ive heard it first hand from both sides.
So I gather from your posts Racism is just hurt feeling. Sorry I think your wrong.

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Old James

most reject the suggestion that they are accountable for the benefits of their history that includes oppression in their society;

Accountable, such a lovely word.
1) required or expected to justify actions or decisions;

So they must justify the actions of their grandparents before they were born. Essentially they are born guilty. How is this any different than the overt racism of guilt because you are born black? Or is that the teaching technique being used, insult the student so they learn?

From the same paper discussing the three ideological assumptions that make teaching anti-racism so difficult.

I see you can't answer a simple question. Is it the teaching technique to insult? I know some consider that a valid technique and it has been used in classrooms. Is that the method you were taught to teach? I'm asking for a very specific reason.

I do not teach it. I have been taught it..would you expect me to to be teaching kids of all races and backgrounds without having to examine how my own internalised prejudiced could cause me to treat them differently? You seem under the mistaken impression that this pedagogy is aimed at the students. It is aimed at those who teach the students.

I cannot teach it here the way it was taught to me. This is forum. What I can do is share some of the ideas behind it so that you can go and learn more about yourself. I am assuming that I am dealing with adults here? If you wish me to deal with you how I would deal with children I can do that. However, as we do not know the race of everyone on this forum I can only challenge you when you make comments that assume the norm is 'white male' and I have been doing that for years here anyway.

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Reality Internet Personality

Although it seems unfair to bring your own family into a discussion to make a point but not to let others respond to this point.

You certainly have that backwards and wrong there and it was not about how you have stated it at all so read my post again.

If someone brings their family into a discussion then a response can be made, but Clyde didn't bring his family into that thread, Es99 did though. ;-)

Clyde I'm a fan of all forms of the game of cricket, but today was the last day of the 1st Test match between us and India. :-)

Cheers.

Clyde bought them up in earlier discussions to justify that he is not racist, otherwise how would I know he has black grandchildren? He hasn't posted pictures of them anywhere. He has also made plenty of comments and assumptions that are deeply insulting to my family. That is neither here nor there. I did not insult his grandchildren, I do however worry about them and what will happen to them as they grow older. Clyde is obviously someone who cannot put himself in someone else's shoes. So there is definitely a need to personalise this issue for him so that he can engage his empathic side.

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Reality Internet Personality

Just because you read something in a Paper, Does not not make it true. As one example I will use the cold fusion Paper. That dosent make it wrong, But so far what they stated has'nt come true in repeated testing.

Just because I am citing one paper it does not mean there is only one paper. I have plenty, this one just seemed applicable to where our current debate is.

And I dont think anyone in here has stated that they are not racists. We all are to some degree.

Then you understand where I am coming from.

As for hurt feelings. Maybe for me thats the case.

and it was you the comment was aimed at.

But for Bi-Racial children, they get the stigma of not belonging to either race. Ive heard it first hand from both sides.

I am very aware of the problems faced by mixed race children . They are perceived as black by white people and not black enough by black people. However, the racism that they endure is based on their blackness. So it still racism against being black no matter which side it coming from.

So I gather from your posts Racism is just hurt feeling. Sorry I think your wrong.

Racism against white people is just hurt feelings. Racism against black people can be fatal. You have self identified as white. It is unlikely that being white will get you killed.

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Reality Internet Personality

Alright - enough of the ES99 bashing OK? I am quite sure that there are a large number of posters and lurkers here that actually do agree with her views but for reasons best known to them would rather not say so publicly. I don't agree with her general left wing politics, and never have done, but I am happy to publicly support her stance against racism against black people, and discrimination against women.

Perhaps she is more outspoken than the average Moderator, is that a bad thing? Fred doesn't seem to think so.

Fred was well aware of who he was making a moderator and well aware of my politics. However, Fred was also sure that I would be able to separate my own feelings from my moderator decisions. When I feel that I cannot do so, I ask the other moderators to take a look and decide what is best.

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Reality Internet Personality

Alright - enough of the ES99 bashing OK? I am quite sure that there are a large number of posters and lurkers here that actually do agree with her views but for reasons best known to them would rather not say so publicly. I don't agree with her general left wing politics, and never have done, but I am happy to publicly support her stance against racism against black people, and discrimination against women.

Perhaps she is more outspoken than the average Moderator, is that a bad thing? Fred doesn't seem to think so.

Fair enough Chris, but I'm also sure that that it goes the other way as well and that there are limits that everyone here should respect also.

Cheers.

At least ES99, does not erase her posts, like another moderator that was here.
I'm sure you posters remember that person.
Everyone, should be happy you have her. :)

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Just because you read something in a Paper, Does not not make it true. As one example I will use the cold fusion Paper. That dosent make it wrong, But so far what they stated has'nt come true in repeated testing.

Just because I am citing one paper it does not mean there is only one paper. I have plenty, this one just seemed applicable to where our current debate is.

And I dont think anyone in here has stated that they are not racists. We all are to some degree.

Then you understand where I am coming from.

As for hurt feelings. Maybe for me thats the case.

and it was you the comment was aimed at.

But for Bi-Racial children, they get the stigma of not belonging to either race. Ive heard it first hand from both sides.

I am very aware of the problems faced by mixed race children . They are perceived as black by white people and not black enough by black people. However, the racism that they endure is based on their blackness. So it still racism against being black no matter which side it coming from.

So I gather from your posts Racism is just hurt feeling. Sorry I think your wrong.

Racism against white people is just hurt feelings. Racism against black people can be fatal. You have self identified as white. It is unlikely that being white will get you killed.

I didnt take that as being directed at me. I thought it was directed at my grandkids. So that was me taking the context of that comment wrong.
Thank you for clarifying that.
As for being killed. I can die just as easy as the next person. But I do get your point.

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Old James

Racist? [yes you are]

Well actually, no I'm not. Part of the reason why I have not posted here. Maybe I was fortunate as to where I grew up and having eyes that recognised injustice at a VERY young age - and being surrounded by it wherever I looked, but there is not a single person on this earth that I do not feel is at least my equal. I have not had to learn to see people differently - despite the fact that members of my family have had to, and others have failed miserably at doing so :/

Where I admit to showing occasional bias is towards people who I am expected to hold in higher regard than others purely because of their station in life. Some politicians can be counted in this group :) and can and do wander into my blind spot from time to time and so consequently DO get treated to snorts of derision from my nose. But I will always hear them out first - so I can direct my snorts appropriately.

I have as yet found nothing in ES's posts that have offended me. I admit I have a high threshold for offence so perhaps I am not the best person to comment on that further, but she has advanced this discussion more than many others have and for that I am grateful. I discovered I was quite relieved to find myself a bit too busy at Einstein to follow the politics thread closely for the last few weeks. Why? Because the circularity of some of the discourse was making me dizzy :))))

Es is perfectly correct when she says Clyde had already brought his family into the arena of race. I have on numerous occasions brought mine into areas of discussion and have not found (and will continue not to find) it inappropriate when and if it is brought up by others at a later date. Anyway... just my view :)

I could simply have plus 1'ed this...

At least ES99, does not erase her posts, like another moderator that was here.
I'm sure you posters remember that person.
Everyone, should be happy you have her. :)

...and this...

Everyone has a right to his or her own opinion.

...and Hev too :) but I felt like a long chat instead :)))))

Racist? [yes you are]

Well actually, no I'm not.

Extremely unlikely. I'm sure ES99 will be able to identify hundreds of ways you are, which you don't even realize exist.

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Racist? [yes you are]

Well actually, no I'm not.

Extremely unlikely. I'm sure ES99 will be able to identify hundreds of ways you are, which you don't even realize exist.

I welcome it, and her :)

If Clyde had made a post in that thread before that post I linked I must of missed it and then I'm sorry, but the only posts that I've see of Clyde mentioning his family there were after it.

If Clyde mentioned his family in another thread, then any comments on it should've been kept to just that other thread only.

But still, it's better not to make comments on anyone's family at all to make a point.

P.S. after a quick look through that thread I still couldn't find a post by Clyde mentioning his family before that linked post so if he did then please point me to it.

Cheers.

Racist? [yes you are]

Well actually, no I'm not.

Extremely unlikely. I'm sure ES99 will be able to identify hundreds of ways you are, which you don't even realize exist.

I agree Gary, the internalized racism is unconscious and although you can be non racist in a conscious/rational way, when you become conscious of your own racism then it is very uncomfortable. But becoming aware of how much we are, is a step in the right direction. I think this is also one of the problems also with institutionalized racism, not being aware that it exists.

It is very complex.

If Clyde had made a post in that thread before that post I linked I must of missed it and then I'm sorry, but the only posts that I've see of Clyde mentioning his family there were after it.

If Clyde mentioned his family in another thread, then any comments on it should've been kept to just that other thread only.

But still, it's better not to make comments on anyone's family at all to make a point.

P.S. after a quick look through that thread I still couldn't find a post by Clyde mentioning his family before that linked post so if he did then please point me to it.

Cheers.

It WAS in another thread Wiggo. I've had a quick sniff about but it involves re-reading a lot of Clyde's posts (hi Clyde :)) and there's a lot of erm... left, right, left, right, centre stuff going on :) Might take me awhile :)

If Clyde had made a post in that thread before that post I linked I must of missed it and then I'm sorry, but the only posts that I've see of Clyde mentioning his family there were after it.

If Clyde mentioned his family in another thread, then any comments on it should've been kept to just that other thread only.

But still, it's better not to make comments on anyone's family at all to make a point.

P.S. after a quick look through that thread I still couldn't find a post by Clyde mentioning his family before that linked post so if he did then please point me to it.

Cheers.

It WAS in another thread Wiggo. I've had a quick sniff about but it involves re-reading a lot of Clyde's posts (hi Clyde :)) and there's a lot of erm... left, right, left, right, centre stuff going on :) Might take me awhile :)

Then any comment by others should've been kept to that thread then and not brought into another 1. ;-)

Cheers.

The99One Said:

It is unlikely that being white will get you killed.

You Have Not Been Following The Black Killing Whites News.

I Have. I Had A Thread Pointing 'it' Out which was Heavily Criticized, Moderated and Finally Deleted.

So Many Whites Being Killed by Angry Blacks.

A Few Miles Away from Me, Not Long Ago, And Entire White Family Killed. Parents and Very Young Children. By A Black Man.

On and On and On and On.

Under Reported. Not Reported. No National Media Attention, and Certainly None from InsaneHustlin'Hussein, His InsaneAG and Insane Minnions.

Got PeacePrize?

Got Mary O.

Got 'it'.

Yep.

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The99One Said:

It is unlikely that being white will get you killed.

You Have Not Been Following The Black Killing Whites News.

I Have. I Had A Thread Pointing 'it' Out which was Heavily Criticized, Moderated and Finally Deleted.

So Many Whites Being Killed by Angry Blacks.

A Few Miles Away from Me, Not Long Ago, And Entire White Family Killed. Parents and Very Young Children. By A Black Man.

On and On and On and On.

Under Reported. Not Reported. No National Media Attention, and Certainly None from InsaneHustlin'Hussein, His InsaneAG and Insane Minnions.

Got PeacePrize?

Got Mary O.

Got 'it'.

Yep.

And vice versa for that matter... :'(

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