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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
'Mary Omni' believes it, and may act upon her beliefs. We (except ES99) are discussing about a woman, Mary Omni, who is using techniques similar to ISIL to recruit for murder and using racism as a reason. You (ES99) want to vent on your pet issue and not discuss anything else, because it (reality) might detract from the purity of your preconception of the world. I get that. Now do you? And if you do, can you allow others to have a discussion? Thank you. |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
Es99, before making a post you should stand back and have a good hard look at what you have typed before you actually hit the reply button. Would you mind posting the said private messages? If such messages are indeed being passed around they are part of the discussion and it might be useful to see what is being said outside of this thread. |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
Hev said: Would you mind posting the said private messages? If such messages are indeed being passed around they are part of the discussion and it might be useful to see what is being said outside of this thread. Dat Be Da __________ Thang I Have Ever Read. But, Here 'is' What I Would Say if I was A Participant in said PM Storm: ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ ___________. ________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ ________. _____________________________________________________. Yep. May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Would you mind posting the said private messages? If such messages are indeed being passed around they are part of the discussion and it might be useful to see what is being said outside of this thread. As a reminder, I've been told by a little birdie that posting PM's without permission of the sender is not looked upon favorably. Most any who send PM's know how to send posts, so if they intended their words to be public, they already would be public. Also that birdie said that you can't post anything from someone who is on vacation as that would subvert the vacation. Of course the birdie could be out of date, so check with the powers that be before you do something rash. In this case I suspect "Mother may I" is better than begging forgiveness. Oh, Hev, I might have recently received PM(s), from someone(s) about something(s). |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
Would you mind posting the said private messages? If such messages are indeed being passed around they are part of the discussion and it might be useful to see what is being said outside of this thread. Unless the rules have changed. PM's were outside of any moderation. It was called private message for a reason. If someone sent you a PM lambastting you, No matter WHO they were you had every right to read them the riot act. But that was then. I dont have a clue as to whats going on for moderation now. But posting PM's serves who? [/quote] Old James |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Now that the cricket here is over for the day I'll answer 1 question that was asked. I maybe a silly old fart at times, but I'm not stupid. Private messages are just that, Private, but that doesn't mean that I can't relay the feelings that those messages carry. If there is a real problem, I will step up as a spokesperson to address that problem, if I feel that there is a need to and that I think that it's warranted (as I have done many times before in my life). I've done it here before and in other forums, at work and in my own personal/public life and I'll likely have to do it again sometime and somewhere in my remaining lifetime (even though I hope not as I don't really like having to do it as it shouldn't be necessary in the first place). Cheers. |
Dimly Lit Lightbulb 😀 Send message Joined: 30 Aug 08 Posts: 15399 Credit: 7,423,413 RAC: 1 |
Would you mind posting the said private messages? If such messages are indeed being passed around they are part of the discussion and it might be useful to see what is being said outside of this thread. The chirps from the little birdie are correct. Member of the People Encouraging Niceness In Society club. |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
What concerns me is that the "private messages" are being brought into the thread anyway by giving a flavour of what their content is. As this is used to bolster personal attacks on people publicly then I do think that it was a fair question to ask. I am well aware of the rules around private messages. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
What concerns me is that the "private messages" are being brought into the thread anyway by giving a flavour of what their content is. As this is used to bolster personal attacks on people publicly then I do think that it was a fair question to ask. It doesn't worry me at all. Anyone can claim to get private messages on any topic they want saying anything they want. I even get private messages of support, I just don't feel the need to announce it on the boards. So the whole "there are private messages going about" thing is neither here nor there and if the sole argument that someone has against me is that "there are private messages" I'd say I'm obviously making my point better than they are. Reality Internet Personality |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
... I really know how you feel Wiggo. I will continue to speak out against injustice even though there appear to be many vocal people who'd really like me to shut up. Reality Internet Personality |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
I think the paper "What makes anti-racist pedagogy in teacher education difficult? Three popular ideological assumptions" by Carol Schick and Verna St Denis really speaks to some of the behaviour going on in this thread. I have taken on the role of trying to explain racism to you guys. (I'm not even charging you for my services, you're welcome) and what I am seeing with all these personal insults and attempts at censorship fit into this passage from the paper. Most white students (and definitely most white male students) will recoil at the suggestion that they are members of a dominant group; most reject the suggestion that they are accountable for the benefits of their history that includes oppression in their society; most will express dismay when the opinion and what they consider to be the knowledge they utilize are exposed as the discourse of the oppressor. (p. 92) Resistance to cross-cultural and anti-racist education manifests itself in many forms, including various combinations of denial of inequality, selective perceptions of reality, guilt and anger, and at times withdrawal from learning (Adams, Bell, &Griffin, 1997; Elliot, 1997; Martin, 1995; Sleeter, 1993). The highlighting is mine. I think you can clearly see where were we are in this process. So I am totally unsurprised by the reactions I am getting as they are fairly standard when trying to deal with this topic. Reality Internet Personality |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Now that there's a break in the cricket here Es99, back to the question that you havn't answered yet.
We're still waiting, or are you just trying to avoid answering it? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
most reject the suggestion that they are accountable for the benefits of their history that includes oppression in their society; Accountable, such a lovely word. 1) required or expected to justify actions or decisions; So they must justify the actions of their grandparents before they were born. Essentially they are born guilty. How is this any different than the overt racism of guilt because you are born black? Or is that the teaching technique being used, insult the student so they learn? |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Now that there's a break in the cricket here Es99, back to the question that you havn't answered yet. Wiggo, I literally do not have to answer to you, no matter how long you wait. The fact that you even presume that you have the right to demand that I do is something you might want to examine. It certainly fits into everything I have been talking about these last few days. As I really cannot understand what your issue with my post was, apart from that you found it offensive. I have very little to say about it. If you wish to explain how and why you found it offensive, then perhaps I could answer your rude demands. Other than that all I have seen is that you "found something offensive" you then threw a fit, insulted me, hurled more insults at me, tried to get me removed as a mod and insisted on having a whole load of posts removed. I would really love an explanation as to why you think your behaviour is acceptable. So in that, I guess we are both "still waiting". Reality Internet Personality |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
most reject the suggestion that they are accountable for the benefits of their history that includes oppression in their society; From the same paper discussing the three ideological assumptions that make teaching anti-racism so difficult. Ideology Assumption #3: Goodness and innocence--by individual acts and good intentions, one can secure innocence as well as superiority . The paper then goes on to explain: Countless forms of denial are necessary to maintain oneself as innocent, including the following: countercharges of white male- bashing, and reverse discrimination; dismissing experiences of oppression among target groups; and dismissing the credentials of one who brings bad tidings (shooting the messenger) (Adams et al., 1997; Martin, 1995). All of this assumes that the privileges of whites, males, and dominant identifications are beyond criticism and that unearned virtue will be maintained by silence. If the status quo is to be maintained, these virtues are not debatable points--there are simply no other voices. Reality Internet Personality |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
I figured as much for getting an answer from you and at no time have I tried to have you removed as a mod, so I have no idea where you get that impression from. But I do expect for a mod to set a good example to others. Also as some others here have pointed out to you, you do post some offensive posts and in doing so you should also expect some offensive replies back, quite simple in my books. Now that should be quite a good answer for you, so? [edit] I totally agree with your post Gary. Now it's back to the cricket for me. Cheers. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
I figured as much for getting an answer from you and at no time have I tried to have you removed as a mod, so I have no idea where you get that impression from. I must be confusing you with someone else then. But I do expect for a mod to set a good example to others. ..and that's all you did was it? Now that should be quite a good answer for you, so? So you are not going to explain what you found so offensive about the post you bought up, despite being so outraged about it? Reality Internet Personality |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
Rolling On The Floor Like A mO fO. The Academic Bastions are in High Gear, trying to Get Their Messages Out, while they still have This InsanePeacePrizin'RaceBaitingPitifulPrez At The Helm of All Things Righteous and Just. Ooooba. GOod Luck Brainiacs Sweating The Next Two Years, Grinding out DEM Books, Papers, Articles and Other Rot, to Convince The Law/Policy/Regulations/Rule Making Vrold To Squash The Centuries and Centuries of STATUS QUO. Grind 'it' PhDs. Grind 'it' Real GOoD. Yep. ' ' May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Now that there's another break in the cricket I'll answer you. The reason has already been posted, but I'll explain it a bit more clearly just for your benefit. I've been kicking around many forums since '97 and I'd have imagined that you should've been around long enough to have come across this as well (but I could be wrong), whether written or not, it has always been regarded as extremely offensive to bring someone else's family into a discussion like that just to make a point, in a lot of forums doing this would get you permanently banned. It's ok for someone to bring their own family into a discussion, but not for someone else to do so, that's just regarded as the lowest of low acts. Now do you understand why people react the way they do when this is done? BTW, just for the record, I've yet to be banned or put on holidays from any forum that I've ever been involved with and I've also been a mod in several of them so maybe that will explain where I'm coming from to your satisfaction. Now it's back to the cricket for me. Edited for spelling, wording and punctuation mistakes. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
most reject the suggestion that they are accountable for the benefits of their history that includes oppression in their society; I see you can't answer a simple question. Is it the teaching technique to insult? I know some consider that a valid technique and it has been used in classrooms. Is that the method you were taught to teach? I'm asking for a very specific reason. |
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