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Message 1610412 - Posted: 7 Dec 2014, 13:48:03 UTC

And as for another person here i guess i'm a racist .

I never lent her money
I never climb over balcony 3 story's high to let her into her flat a dozen times
I never called the ambulace when she got stabbed
I never called the cops when she was getting bash'd up
I never gave her cigareets
i never gave her some of my stash for free
I never tryed to help her

i'm talking about my ex nabour whom is Black a koori

yep i'm a racist all right
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Message 1610486 - Posted: 7 Dec 2014, 17:38:20 UTC - in response to Message 1610078.  



How can you compensate for it if the time period to act is so short the thought never enter the conscious mind, as happens in policing?

Training. It has been shown to work.


First time you have ever allowed that biology may have a part to play in human interactions.

First time you have posted something that was actually a study on humans and has been backed up by research elsewhere from other disciplines. However, what you do with that information is what is important. It should not be used as an excuse to support injustice. Social norms can either reinforce or inhibit these tendencies. You tend to cherry pick your examples, I notice that despite there being plenty of evidence that women have evolved to be unfaithful and to have men raise babies that are not their own, you have not once decried monomogomy or suggested that this be taken into account during divorce or paternity proceedings. No court would take that as an excuse as to why a man must pay support to a child that isn't his and that he has nothing to do with. Yet somehow in many court cases and grand juries it is perfectly acceptable to say a black man was murdered because he was scary. No one sees anything wrong with this...except of course black people.

A lot of it is socially constructed, otherwise how would you explain why black people (and other oppressed races, such as native americans) often view themselves in the culturally negative ways of the dominant culture?

Culture. Is this the word that should be "ism'd"?

I might tackle this in my next post.

I've known black people to injure themselves trying to bleach their skin so they could look 'beautiful'.

Young white women similary injure themselves, starving themselves to look like the anorexic models in popular culture. So your example is not unique to one race.

No, there are certainly common themes amongst oppressed groups. Well spotted, there is hope for you.

There is no way this self hate is biological, it is a reflection of what all the countless tv shows, magazines and moves tell us is good and beautiful.

Yes. Culturalism. The very thing that radical Muslims rail against, their children enulating TV, magazines, movies, etc. and ignoring their own culture.

Again, I think I need to take a separate post to deal with this.

"White is innocent, black is bad.". American Black women spend a fortune trying to straighten their hair to look more like white people and therefore less threatening.

Same as Latina women who spend money on hair dyes and bleach to look more Nordic and less like their Spanish or Portuguese mixed with Native American heritage. Others choose to play up their Native American side and spend money to look more Oriental.

You are talking again about women, and the intersection of race and gender oppression. This is a more complicated topic, but you are correct that it is an important one.


I would not be so sure there is not some biologic basis, but only a partial one. On this planet, most species heard. Birds do. Fish do. Ruminants do. Elephants do. Chimps do. Wolves do. Why not humans? So looking like you aren't different may matter to becoming some predators meal. We may have some small dark corner of DNA making us want to look alike and the media supplies us with the image to emulate.

If you go to countries where there is no dominant white culture the people there are not trying to look like white people. The media does indeed play a huge role in perpetuating these attitudes, and it is controlled by white people, mainly male white people so it projects their idea of normal and beautiful. Which is why it is so vital to have people of different races and genders portrayed positively in our media so that we can accept that there are different versions of normal and beautiful. This is why feminists and anti-racists make such a fuss about it. It is important.


So because of past history, in your eyes racism can never end until blacks enslave whites for 100s of years to make it all even. Anyway that is what it sounds like.

No, it sounds like white people need to recognise that this oppression has left a lasting effect and that they need to give a hand up rather than keeping them down. Such things like affirmative action were supposed to help this by giving other races and genders a chance to get up to the level that white males had achieved. However, many complained that this was unfair to white people even though all it was doing was making up for the generations of mistreatment by white people that had taken their history, languages, religions, education from them. You cannot simply "pull your socks up and get over" something like that.

So if you have two job applicants, one a black youth and the other a white youth, with identical records on paper, what decides it? It is because one shows up with pants around their hips and their underwear showing and the other is in a suit and tie?

Why would you assume a black person would turn up with pants around their hips and their underwear showing (of course your contempt for a fashion choice however poor shows a bias that needs to examined too)? Of course my knowledge of poverty tells me that not everyone can easily access a suit, so it would really depend on the position that they are going for.

Is it because you think your customers expect your employees to hold to a certain standard of dress? Is it Racism or Culturalism? Are we using the wrong word for this very real unconscious bias, because one carries a lot of baggage and thus plays better sensationalism?

I am suspecting this is a straw man argument based on negative assumptions about black people. I am pretty sure that black people are quite capable of turning up to job interviews dressed appropriately and I suspect most of them do.
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Message 1610489 - Posted: 7 Dec 2014, 17:47:37 UTC - in response to Message 1610448.  

Believe MOST of the problem is Cultural.

I will tackle this in another post.

To those women who believe it is Mostly Racial - I give always the following example:

You are walking down a dark empty street, alone. You hear footsteps advancing behind you. You turn around a see 5 Black Male Teenagers, advancing towards you. They are dressed in Black Suits, White Shirts, Black Ties. All are carrying a Bible and are smiling at you. You smile at them, and go on your way - unafraid.

If I find 5 males of any race behind me dressed in any way in a dark empty street I will be afraid. I am female. I will probably get my keys out and prepare to defend myself if they decide to attack. Of course as a female I would do pretty much anything I could to avoid walking down a dark empty street alone. So I cannot relate to this at all.

The next night, on the same street, you hear the same footsteps, hoping the same Black Teenagers are there. However, now you see 5 White Male Teenagers advancing towards you. They have their pants down - showing their underwear, swaying while they walk, and the White Teenagers are glaring at you. Are you afraid?

I am possibly afraid. I am female. If I get the attention of any male out in public however it begins there is always a chance that it will end in a negative way. The scariest things said to me have been by middle aged white men in suits. I also taught for years in inner city multi racial schools so most incidents such as you describe usually end with me reminding them to do their homework.
The White Left is afraid to confront the reality of Inner-City, Multi Racial, Culture.

Having worked inner-city (multi-Race) neighborhoods: The above 'glaring' teenagers actions are not confined to one Race.

Having taught such teenagers for years I can assure you that its true. Having listened to my students however, their experiences with the police are not the same.
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Message 1610529 - Posted: 7 Dec 2014, 20:27:17 UTC

'They' Say this Country 'is' Going Brown by Whatever Date, much Like Climate Change 'is' Going To Destroy Us by Whatever Date.

GOoD. Brown Can Have This Country and Climate Change Can Have The World.

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Message 1610532 - Posted: 7 Dec 2014, 20:37:41 UTC - in response to Message 1610529.  

'They' Say this Country 'is' Going Brown by Whatever Date, much Like Climate Change 'is' Going To Destroy Us by Whatever Date.

GOoD. Brown Can Have This Country and Climate Change Can Have The World.

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That's very interesting Screaming, considering how we all began in Africa. Back to our roots?
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Message 1610563 - Posted: 7 Dec 2014, 21:24:41 UTC

That's very interesting Screaming, considering how we all began in Africa. Back to our roots?


Been and Lived with My Roots since Day 1. And You Can See what My Roots have Done To Me.

GOod Luck Brown People. Russia and China Won't Go Down As Easy.

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Message 1610738 - Posted: 8 Dec 2014, 10:11:54 UTC - in response to Message 1610175.  

So, The Thread Title says I'm A Racist and I Admit I Am.

All The Way. Conscious, Un-Conscious, Sub-Conscious, and Dead.

Yet, I Cannot Make Racist Comments.

Man O Live.

Brainiac Racism I Say.

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You know the rules of these fora quite well Dull.
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Message 1610840 - Posted: 8 Dec 2014, 16:00:20 UTC

It really does amaze me when issues rise between blacks & whites. The furore it creates is fascinating to see as all involved fail to realise that each individual involved are racist themselves in one form or another.

Where are those who stand up & fight against the everyday racism one sees worldwide?

Whites v Whites. Blacks v Blacks. Muslims v Muslims. Jews v Jews. Add religion to that list, stir slowly. Next add Nationalism & simmer. To give it flavour, add Status & bring to the boil.

When cooked, dish up & I'll lay odds there will always be someone that says it's not enough!

Personally, I think that if 2 ingredients are removed, it would taste better.

"ist" & "ism" really does ruin the pot.
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Message 1610843 - Posted: 8 Dec 2014, 16:06:56 UTC

Is not xenophobia and racism the same?
The Rise Of Sweden's Far-Left Militants...
https://news.vice.com/video/swedens-war-on-fascists
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Message 1610868 - Posted: 8 Dec 2014, 17:00:14 UTC - in response to Message 1610673.  

Dear white people: your discomfort is progress. Keep talking about Ferguson – and beyond

A black person and a white person started a conversation about how to have ‘the race conversation’ on Facebook, Twitter and everywhere. You can start one, too

Now we have to start a NEW Conversation...

Dear Black People...

Correct?

Only if you are willing to listen to them.

You all drove off the one black person on this forum who tried to explain it to you. I notice he hasn't been back since he realised he was wasting him time.
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Message 1610876 - Posted: 8 Dec 2014, 18:15:54 UTC - in response to Message 1610818.  

So, The Thread Title says I'm A Racist and I Admit I Am.

All The Way. Conscious, Un-Conscious, Sub-Conscious, and Dead.

Yet, I Cannot Make Racist Comments.

Man O Live.

Brainiac Racism I Say.

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You know the rules of these fora quite well Dull.

In the past, have rarely understood, nor completely read, Dull's Postings.

Now I understand.

They are (fill-in the negatives).



They are negative, period.
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Message 1610922 - Posted: 8 Dec 2014, 19:58:35 UTC

Clyde said:
They are (fill-in the negatives).


Julie said:
They are negative, period.


And Julie Not Too Long Ago was Going Out of Her Way to Praise My Poetry. I Knew 'it' was BULL, so I Did Not Bite.

And Clyde, well...you don't read 'em, don't understand 'em, seems you shouldn't Criticize 'em. But Hey, We All Know how Dat 'is'.

Yep.

and Julie said:
You know the rules of these fora quite well Dull.


Es99 Also, and Breaks Them Constantly.

But We All Know How Dat 'is'.

Yep.

Right I.D.? Yep.

Got Yep?

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Message 1610933 - Posted: 8 Dec 2014, 20:16:35 UTC - in response to Message 1610922.  


Es99 Also, and Breaks Them Constantly.


Actually, I generally don't. What I do notice is how many people take me disagreeing with them as insulting (perception?) while they themselves hurl actual personal insults.

You will also find that I am the person least likely to mod you. So be grateful that I am such a wonderfully tolerant person. If I do remove your posts then you really have crossed the line and you might want to take that under consideration next time you feel hard done by.

With that in mind, any further complaints in this thread about moderation will be removed.

Have a lovely day.
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Message 1610962 - Posted: 8 Dec 2014, 21:13:58 UTC - in response to Message 1610922.  
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Clyde said:
They are (fill-in the negatives).


Julie said:
They are negative, period.


And Julie Not Too Long Ago was Going Out of Her Way to Praise My Poetry. I Knew 'it' was BULL, so I Did Not Bite.

And Clyde, well...you don't read 'em, don't understand 'em, seems you shouldn't Criticize 'em. But Hey, We All Know how Dat 'is'.

Yep.

and Julie said:
You know the rules of these fora quite well Dull.


Es99 Also, and Breaks Them Constantly.

But We All Know How Dat 'is'.

Yep.

Right I.D.? Yep.

Got Yep?


How dare you?

[edit] I praise your poetry alright...
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Message 1611174 - Posted: 9 Dec 2014, 6:53:27 UTC

Why?


Why Dat Beez Da Funniest Thang I Ever Read On Dis FO Um.

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Message 1611189 - Posted: 9 Dec 2014, 7:04:59 UTC

"You're Bosnian," one of the suspects allegedly said. "I should just kill you now".

Bosnians Attacked by Blacks. Guess 'it's' a Non-Racist Thang. Yep

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Message 1611210 - Posted: 9 Dec 2014, 7:44:28 UTC - in response to Message 1611136.  

According to the rules Fred set up back when I was a mod. You can talk about moderation. Just not specific moderator actions. Yes it it is fine line.
So Clyde I would just PM the mod list and ask why?
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Message 1611380 - Posted: 9 Dec 2014, 17:06:33 UTC - in response to Message 1611321.  

According to the rules Fred set up back when I was a mod. You can talk about moderation. Just not specific moderator actions. Yes it it is fine line.
So Clyde I would just PM the mod list and ask why?

The 'Why' was directed towards Es99.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

You can message the mod list and find out why. The usual reason things are modded are that someone complained or that things were getting over heated.
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Message 1611398 - Posted: 9 Dec 2014, 23:08:55 UTC

Vid Link in text, I Listened to All of 'it', Prepare to be Sickened

Worse yet and more dangerous, a radical black activist, who calls herself, Mary Omni of the House of King David, produced a YouTube video spouting hate and promoting attacks against the Bosnians calling them “invaders” of land properly belonging to blacks. The 11-minute video titled, “Ferguson Bosnian Death Immigrant Warning" warns the Bosnians that more violence is coming and she states, “If an invader is killed, this is acceptable collateral damage. If I had a hammer, I would hammer in the morning and hammer in the night.”

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