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Message 1606738 - Posted: 29 Nov 2014, 0:41:56 UTC

St Louis has a great hockey team, Toronto has a team.....


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Message 1606740 - Posted: 29 Nov 2014, 0:55:06 UTC - in response to Message 1606738.  
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St Louis has a great hockey team, Toronto has a team.....

This start to be very off topic.
However Börje Salming played in Toronto Maple Leaf.
He is also nominated for a Hall of Fames!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%B6rje_Salming
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Message 1606855 - Posted: 29 Nov 2014, 9:20:00 UTC - in response to Message 1604996.  
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The day that I can't walk into a BRITISH pub and buy a BRITISH pint of beer in a BRITISH pint glass, I will personally start WWIII, I kid you not.....

And it should be served with FULL BRITISH glasses:)
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Message 1606876 - Posted: 29 Nov 2014, 10:34:50 UTC
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Just for Info Chris.

German beer glasses have a calibration standard gauge.
The foam is always above that gauge so you always get the amount of beer you are paying for.


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Message 1607036 - Posted: 29 Nov 2014, 21:45:16 UTC - in response to Message 1606877.  

OK Mike thanks for that heads up (pun intended), it's been many a year since I bought a beer in Europe, hopefully next year that will be put right!!


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Message 1607069 - Posted: 29 Nov 2014, 22:30:16 UTC - in response to Message 1606875.  

And it should be served with FULL BRITISH glasses:)

The British believe in paying money for beer not foam. Served in a standard pint glass, the head should not be more than 1/4" thick maximum, or you'll get complaints. Some pubs use "oversize" glasses with a liquid mark on the side and room for the head on top. On the continent their type of lager-beer foams considerably more, and it is commonplace to scrape the foam off the top with a wooden spatular whilst pouring, serving a 2/3 full glass is not unusual.
When I used to work in a bar the best way to serve beer was to tilt the glass to get about 90% of the pint in, then upright it, and give it a final full squirt from the tap to put a small foam head on it level with the top of the glass. I never got any complaints. Guiness is another matter, a 1/2" head is traditionally acceptable, and any decent bar man will pour 2/3 of a glass and leave it to settle for 5 minutes before topping it up. When I was in County Mayo a few years ago all the Irish pubs had 1/2 dozen pints on the counter settling at any one time.

In France they dont like foam so they call for "sans moustache"
Thats why they use wooden spatular.
As you say Guiness have to have foam in the top of the glass.
But ales and bitters when I was in England was always filled to the top:)
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Message 1607077 - Posted: 29 Nov 2014, 22:57:55 UTC - in response to Message 1606875.  

And it should be served with FULL BRITISH glasses:)

The British believe in paying money for beer not foam. Served in a standard pint glass, the head should not be more than 1/4" thick maximum, or you'll get complaints. Some pubs use "oversize" glasses with a liquid mark on the side and room for the head on top. On the continent their type of lager-beer foams considerably more, and it is commonplace to scrape the foam off the top with a wooden spatular whilst pouring, serving a 2/3 full glass is not unusual.

When I used to work in a bar the best way to serve beer was to tilt the glass to get about 90% of the pint in, then upright it, and give it a final full squirt from the tap to put a small foam head on it level with the top of the glass. I never got any complaints. Guiness is another matter, a 1/2" head is traditionally acceptable, and any decent bar man will pour 2/3 of a glass and leave it to settle for 5 minutes before topping it up. When I was in County Mayo a few years ago all the Irish pubs had 1/2 dozen pints on the counter settling at any one time.

It's more of a cultural thing then anything else, but as alluded to previously, the Scots take their whisky seriously as do the British their beer, and long may it be so!

p.s. Don't mention these snap top cans with widgets in them - that's not proper beer by any standard ....

Not being a drinker, I have to use other peoples judgment on this but my roommate and I went to a brewery tasting room where you could sample their products. For your first round they would pour two glass with one poured down the side and the other down the center. Everybody agreed that the one poured down the center was smother because the beer was bottled with to much CO2 and driving a bit of it off took some of the bite out of the beer. From what I understand this may not be truce of all brands but it seems to be true for most. They also used chilled glasses and the beer was well chilled Beer closer to room temperature might lose more CO2 when poured so the best advice I can give you is test your beer to find out which system produces the best tasting beer.
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Message 1607083 - Posted: 29 Nov 2014, 23:12:46 UTC - in response to Message 1607077.  

And it should be served with FULL BRITISH glasses:)

The British believe in paying money for beer not foam. Served in a standard pint glass, the head should not be more than 1/4" thick maximum, or you'll get complaints. Some pubs use "oversize" glasses with a liquid mark on the side and room for the head on top. On the continent their type of lager-beer foams considerably more, and it is commonplace to scrape the foam off the top with a wooden spatular whilst pouring, serving a 2/3 full glass is not unusual.

When I used to work in a bar the best way to serve beer was to tilt the glass to get about 90% of the pint in, then upright it, and give it a final full squirt from the tap to put a small foam head on it level with the top of the glass. I never got any complaints. Guiness is another matter, a 1/2" head is traditionally acceptable, and any decent bar man will pour 2/3 of a glass and leave it to settle for 5 minutes before topping it up. When I was in County Mayo a few years ago all the Irish pubs had 1/2 dozen pints on the counter settling at any one time.

It's more of a cultural thing then anything else, but as alluded to previously, the Scots take their whisky seriously as do the British their beer, and long may it be so!

p.s. Don't mention these snap top cans with widgets in them - that's not proper beer by any standard ....

Not being a drinker, I have to use other peoples judgment on this but my roommate and I went to a brewery tasting room where you could sample their products. For your first round they would pour two glass with one poured down the side and the other down the center. Everybody agreed that the one poured down the center was smother because the beer was bottled with to much CO2 and driving a bit of it off took some of the bite out of the beer. From what I understand this may not be truce of all brands but it seems to be true for most. They also used chilled glasses and the beer was well chilled Beer closer to room temperature might lose more CO2 when poured so the best advice I can give you is test your beer to find out which system produces the best tasting beer.

There is a difference between lager and bitters and ales.
Lager is normally served chilled but not the others.
Bitters and ales are served cool but not chilled.
Taste and flavours often get lost with lower temperatures.
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Message 1607347 - Posted: 30 Nov 2014, 18:35:41 UTC - in response to Message 1607083.  



Taste and flavours often get lost with lower temperatures.


With some beers that is an improvement!

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Message 1607360 - Posted: 30 Nov 2014, 19:16:39 UTC - in response to Message 1607347.  

With some beers that is an improvement!


Oh, oh oh.....



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Message 1607479 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 0:42:01 UTC - in response to Message 1607360.  

With some beers that is an improvement!


Oh, oh oh.....





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Message 1607680 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 13:57:28 UTC - in response to Message 1607611.  

The warmer guinness is it tastes better (up to a point) but it gets worse to pour. On hot days we used to turn the cooler up to make it easier to serve, but we got some complaints that it was too cold. It was a juggling act. The worst beer in the whole wide world is universally acclaimed as Watneys Red Barrel, now thankfully discontinued. Watneys Mild was nothing more than coloured water and came a close second.


You need to widen your horizons to find truly bad beer. This is what I had in mind when I said "for some beers removing tastes and flavours is an improvement".



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Message 1607682 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 14:12:26 UTC - in response to Message 1607680.  
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The warmer guinness is it tastes better (up to a point) but it gets worse to pour. On hot days we used to turn the cooler up to make it easier to serve, but we got some complaints that it was too cold. It was a juggling act. The worst beer in the whole wide world is universally acclaimed as Watneys Red Barrel, now thankfully discontinued. Watneys Mild was nothing more than coloured water and came a close second.

You need to widen your horizons to find truly bad beer. This is what I had in mind when I said "for some beers removing tastes and flavours is an improvement".

From a Review.
"... smells chemically with a hint of sulfur, toilet, nail polish and corn. ... tastes at first nothing, but then comes the aftertaste. It is a chemical stuffy corn flavor that I have a bit hard to describe, it really tastes not like beer made of malt, hops, yeast and water as one is accustomed to. "
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Message 1607739 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 18:02:55 UTC - in response to Message 1607713.  
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But we do digress a bit here chaps, we already have a beer drinkers thread.

Then we also have the Avoirdupois system with the dram (or drachm) and grains that the French also had a hand in.

And talking about the French why did they change Billion from a Million Million to a Thousand Million when they already had the word Milliard (or Milliarde) for a Thousand Million. Which confused the Americans no end, and led the Americans to adopting the wrong definition, causing confusion ever since.
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Message 1607740 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 18:05:29 UTC - in response to Message 1607739.  

But we do digress a bit here chaps, we already have a beer drinkers thread.

Then we also have the Avoirdupois system with the dram (or drachm) and grains that the French also had a hand in.

And talking about the French why did they change Billion from a Million Million to a Thousand Million when they already had the word Milliard (or Milliarde) for a Thousand Million. Which confused the Americans no end, and led the Americans to adopting the wrong definition, causing confusion ever since.


I never understood this one.


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Message 1607741 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 18:09:06 UTC

Does it really matter? Whether it is mph/kph, pounds or kilograms, pints or litres...

...it's the same liquid & food going down one's throat & the same distance time wise in travelling!
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Message 1607793 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 19:54:43 UTC - in response to Message 1607741.  

I vote Yes!


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Message 1607812 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 20:23:09 UTC - in response to Message 1607807.  

I leave that to the carpet fitter & other professionals :-)
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Message 1607833 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 21:33:18 UTC - in response to Message 1607807.  

Does it really matter? Whether it is mph/kph, pounds or kilograms, pints or litres...

Then explain the benefits of this system, to begin with: ”Now we have to multiply 14 feet 4 inches by 7 feet 10 inches to get the result in square feet.”
(http://www.metric.org.uk/metric-is-easy-to-use)

Except they got it wrong

it is 14 1/3 * 7 5/6 or

43 * 47
3 * 6

= 4042 / 18
= 112.277777

obviously someone who is not very good using fractions.
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Message 1607874 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 22:20:20 UTC - in response to Message 1607838.  
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= 4042 / 18
= 112.277777

obviously someone who is not very good using fractions.

They say "16 168 square inches = 16 168 ÷ 144 = 112.278 or approximately 112 square feet." What's wrong with that?

Btw, where did you get that 4042? And: 4042 / 18 ≈ 224.6. Hmm, obviously... ;-)

All this much simpler in decimal and metric system anyway, innit?

Should have been 2021, but as I originally did it by converting it all to 6th's on back of envelope copied wrong number. so my original answer on envelope was 112 10/36
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