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Message 1914659 - Posted: 22 Jan 2018, 23:57:59 UTC - in response to Message 1914656.  

Hasn't there been other evidence to support that. I'm thinking of the a) post 9/11 clearer sky's over the US and b) cleaner clouds due to the decreased use of dirty coal.
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Message 1914664 - Posted: 23 Jan 2018, 1:54:48 UTC - in response to Message 1914659.  
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Hasn't there been other evidence to support that. I'm thinking of the a) post 9/11 clearer sky's over the US and b) cleaner clouds due to the decreased use of dirty coal.

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These results are in line with other studies that have investigated the cooling "mask" of aerosols. A 2016 paper published in Nature Geoscience found that up to a half-degree Celsius of the warming that has been observed in the Arctic—the most rapidly warming region on the planet—since 1980 was caused by pollution reductions in Europe. Like the new study, those findings speak to both the considerable cooling effect aerosols have had on the climate and to the atmospheric linkages between different regions of the Northern Hemisphere.

Other research has also supported the idea that aerosols have influenced global temperatures as a whole. Another 2016 paper, also published in Nature Geoscience, suggested that about a third of all the warming that occurred over land areas over the past 50 years was masked—temporarily covered up, in other words—by aerosol pollution.

Collectively, the research indicates that greenhouse gas emissions have had an even greater effect on the climate so far than it appears—it's just that part of it has been obscured by the presence of air pollution. As the air gets cleaner, those masked effects will start to make themselves known.

The new study demonstrates how much extra warming might be expected if all those aerosol emissions suddenly stopped—but it can't predict how long it might take the world to get to that point.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/cleaning-up-air-pollution-may-strengthen-global-warming/
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Message 1918576 - Posted: 12 Feb 2018, 22:40:25 UTC

Satellite observations show sea levels rising, and climate change is accelerating it.

Using satellite data rather than tide-gauge data that is normally used to measure sea levels allows for more precise estimates of global sea level, since it provides measurements of the open ocean.
The team observed a total rise in the ocean of 7 centimeters (2.8 inches) in 25 years of data, which aligns with the generally accepted current rate of sea level rise of about 3 millimeters (0.1 inches) per year.
But that rate is not constant.
Continuous emissions of greenhouse gases are warming the Earth's atmosphere and oceans and melting its ice, causing the rate of sea level rise to increase.


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Message 1918584 - Posted: 12 Feb 2018, 23:08:32 UTC - in response to Message 1918576.  

The sea level rise also increase because of the water temperature increase.
A double effect.
I think there is many smaller but inhabited islands in Oceania that are already in jeopardy of beeing flooded.
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Message 1918587 - Posted: 12 Feb 2018, 23:15:24 UTC - in response to Message 1918576.  

Okay. I had this wild idea that the melt was happening because of particulate carbon, very black, landing on the snow and melting it. That black particulate carbon being released at the beginning of the industrial era when we didn't have oil and natural gas to burn but had to use coal and wood. Look back at the black smog and soot of London for the melting.
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Message 1918590 - Posted: 12 Feb 2018, 23:20:05 UTC

Conflicting reports by scientists suggest we are heading for a Mini Ice Age, Truth of the matter I don't think they really
Know which way where heading, my belief is the heating up and cooling down is just part of the world adjusting on it's wobble around the sun
as it's happened many times in the past before we came along and will for many years to come..
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Message 1918604 - Posted: 13 Feb 2018, 1:19:13 UTC
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Only in Trump's Amerika?


NASA budget shock: Climate studies? GTFO. We're making the Moon great again, says Trump

Rather than examine how we're treating the planet, today's White House – which reckons climate change is a hoax – wants NASA to look outward and focus less on matters here on our home world. In addition, as we said, NASA's Office of Education has also been defunded.



Shame about the rest of the world and the entire planet.

For those Americans unaware, GTFO means Get The F**k Off.

So, no funds to see how badly Trump's policies are farting on the world and everyone...

Only in the world of the insanity of the Amerikan politics?!


So... What are YOU going to do about it?


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Message 1918605 - Posted: 13 Feb 2018, 1:26:49 UTC - in response to Message 1918587.  

Okay. I had this wild idea that the melt was happening because of particulate carbon, very black, landing on the snow and melting it. That black particulate carbon being released at the beginning of the industrial era when we didn't have oil and natural gas to burn but had to use coal and wood. Look back at the black smog and soot of London for the melting.

That as well.
The glaciers on our planet are getting darker revealing all the soot from the past centuries...
The Himalaya glaciers are now melting faster and faster.
About 700 million people are dependent of fresh water from them...
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Message 1918622 - Posted: 13 Feb 2018, 2:21:44 UTC - in response to Message 1918590.  
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Conflicting reports by scientists suggest we are heading for a Mini Ice Age, Truth of the matter I don't think they really
Know which way where heading, my belief is the heating up and cooling down is just part of the world adjusting on it's wobble around the sun
as it's happened many times in the past before we came along and will for many years to come..

Correct. We don't really know all the variables, possibly some still scientifically unknown.

Having said the above. Human activity must have a major impact.
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Message 1919981 - Posted: 19 Feb 2018, 23:14:57 UTC

A cleaner enviroment or storing up problems?

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Message 1921531 - Posted: 27 Feb 2018, 8:29:09 UTC

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Message 1921544 - Posted: 27 Feb 2018, 12:03:10 UTC
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The commuter to the summer resort in Tuscany should pay more to fly than the one who flies once a year. The argument is increasingly heard in the British climate debate, which in many ways is more intense and aggressive than in Sweden. The national air tax introduced in Sweden on April 1, Britain has had since 1994. There is a debate which is the next step. The New Economics Foundation think tank and the "A Free ride" environmental organization are driving the proposal for a progressive flight tax.
http://neweconomics.org/2015/06/a-fairer-way-to-fly/
One sign that the individual got into focus is that several of the world's leading climate scientists have begun to break down the huge global, and thus abstract, emission figures of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere to the individual level. At the Max Planck Institute in Germany, researchers have estimated that a person flying between New York and London causes three square meters of ice melt in the Arctic. When the model was published in the reputed journal Science, one of the researchers Dirk Notz, who wrote the report together with Julienne Stroeve at the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Colorado, said that "this makes it intuitively possible to understand how we all contribute to global warming, It is possible to translate how individual actions contribute to the loss of sea ice. "
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Message 1924140 - Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 8:19:11 UTC

Climate update :

Again this year in the North and South poles the Sea Ice Extend is at record lows .

It's now been 10 years since the First major reduction of Sea Ice in the North pole where in that year there was a 1/3 rd reduction in
Sea Ice

We are now 50% lower in the amount off Sea ice than the First event and Now for the last 2 years we are seeing the same thing as the
north pole but only it happening at the South pole

There has been some good news with the fact that we have slowed down the rate of man made Co2
The increase of solar and wind around the world in generating power is having a effect but we must speed this up

Co2 level is
410 with approx 3 months til the peak in June
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Message 1924641 - Posted: 14 Mar 2018, 23:25:52 UTC

Two items;
The fast-melting Arctic is already messing with the ocean’s circulation, scientists say
This affects the warm water from the Gulf of Mexico that flows up the US east coast and across the Atlantic towards the British Isles.

Rapid Arctic warming and melting ice are increasing the frequency of blizzards in the Northeast, study finds
That's the NE of the US.
The study also shows that in cities in the West, such as Salt Lake City and Seattle, big snowstorms have become less frequent.
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Message 1924648 - Posted: 15 Mar 2018, 0:22:31 UTC - in response to Message 1924641.  
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The fast-melting Arctic is already messing with the ocean’s circulation, scientists say
This affects the warm water from the Gulf of Mexico that flows up the US east coast and across the Atlantic towards the British Isles.
Not only the British Isles. The Nordic countries as well.
It's a bit of an irony, but when the globe gets warmer it will getting colder here.
At very least in the beginning of the Global Warming that we are facing right now,
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Message 1924657 - Posted: 15 Mar 2018, 0:49:18 UTC - in response to Message 1924648.  

The fast-melting Arctic is already messing with the ocean’s circulation, scientists say
This affects the warm water from the Gulf of Mexico that flows up the US east coast and across the Atlantic towards the British Isles.
Not only the British Isles. The Nordic countries as well.
It's a bit of an irony, but when the globe gets warmer it will getting colder here.
At very least in the beginning of the Global Warming that we are facing right now,

Another 'Little Ice Age' for Europe if the Gulf Stream....?

Or perhaps much worse.
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Message 1924660 - Posted: 15 Mar 2018, 1:01:15 UTC - in response to Message 1924657.  

Or perhaps much worse.

Not perhaps much worse.
We will have Siberian winters.
Much colder than happened this winter when Siberian cold air came to us and created chaos in all transportations.
A foreboding of the future?
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Message 1924698 - Posted: 15 Mar 2018, 8:48:04 UTC
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Microplastics found in more than 90% of bottled water, study says.

A new analysis of some of the world’s most popular bottled water brands says more than 90% contain tiny pieces of plastic.

Analysis of 259 bottles from 19 locations in nine countries across 11 different brands found an average of 325 plastic particles for every litre of water being sold.

Concentrations were as high as 10,000 plastic pieces for every litre of water. Of the 259 bottles tested, only 17 were free of plastics, according to the study.

Scientists based at the State University of New York in Fredonia were commissioned by journalism project Orb Media to analyse the bottled water.

The scientists wrote they had “found roughly twice as many plastic particles within bottled water” compared with their previous study of tap water, reported by the Guardian.
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Message 1927846 - Posted: 2 Apr 2018, 22:43:12 UTC

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Message 1927863 - Posted: 3 Apr 2018, 0:47:27 UTC - in response to Message 1927846.  

Since your country won't take Murdoch back why do you think the Brits would take Abbott back?
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