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Message 1898068 - Posted: 29 Oct 2017, 14:04:30 UTC - in response to Message 1898024.  

IF GhG-ACC is correct, and the major driving force behind the climate changes we see today, then Algore, the UN IPCC, and all the other politicians are just not doing enough. I have said it here before. If we stop using all Fossil Fuel... ALL of it... right now this instant... it wouldn't be enough to even really slow down very much the climate change we are observing in the short to medium-long term. Maybe in a couple of hundred thousand years the climate might get back to normal... And this is the case even if we stopped right now this instant EVERYTHING else we are doing that is driving climate change. There are just WAY too many humans on this planet.. somewhere around 2000 times too many...


Unfortunately, I think you may be correct, or at least in the ballpark. But I don't think that this should stop us from doing what we can. And that we have "free market solutions" already developed or in development with plenty more on the way should be encouraging... doing the right thing should not have to cost more. So I will keep riding my bike. :^)
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Message 1898103 - Posted: 29 Oct 2017, 18:11:58 UTC

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Message 1898664 - Posted: 2 Nov 2017, 12:55:35 UTC

Heard on the Radio:

A Town in America has refused to install Solar Panels as a retired Lady Scientist said they would suck up all the Sun's energy causing the Crops to fail.



Fake news or for real?!

Only in the USA?...

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Message 1898675 - Posted: 2 Nov 2017, 13:36:10 UTC - in response to Message 1898664.  

Heard on the Radio:

A Town in America has refused to install Solar Panels as a retired Lady Scientist said they would suck up all the Sun's energy causing the Crops to fail.



Fake news or for real?!

https://www.snopes.com/north-carolina-town-rejects-solar-panels/
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Message 1898812 - Posted: 3 Nov 2017, 2:38:05 UTC - in response to Message 1898664.  

Heard on the Radio:
A Town in America has refused to install Solar Panels as a retired Lady Scientist said they would suck up all the Sun's energy causing the Crops to fail.

Fake news or for real?!
Only in the USA?...
All on our only one planet,
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She was only a school teacher in science, not a scientist.

Could it be worse?
Yes. Who appointed Rick Perry as US Secretary of Energy?
Oh. Trump did...
US Energy Secretary Rick Perry has said an increase in the use of fossil fuels in Africa may prevent sexual assault.
Mr Perry also said electricity would stop people from reading by the light of fires, which have toxic fumes.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41854358
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Message 1898856 - Posted: 3 Nov 2017, 10:43:04 UTC

Here is a "free market" solution to prop up the dying coal industry:

The Trump administration wants to force electricity customers to pay for a $10.6 billion annual bailout of the failing coal and nuclear industries through surcharges on their monthly energy bills.

The quietly announced proposal would require ratepayers to fully underwrite a new mandate that coal and nuclear plants hold a minimum of 90 days' worth of fuel on-site under the false premise of providing security from power outages.

But critics say the subsidy is just a massive government-mandated transfer of wealth from consumers to coal and nuclear companies.

"This is like changing the energy system from capitalism to communism—and the U.S. government wants to do it within the next two weeks," said Michael Krancer, a principal at energy policy company Silent Majority Strategies.

The Department of Energy says the fuel stockpiles are necessary to prevent power outages “in times of supply stress, such as recent natural disasters.” But only 0.00007 percent of all major power disruptions over the past five years were due to fuel supply problems, John Larsen, a power sector researcher for the Rhodium Group, told Newsweek.

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Message 1899082 - Posted: 4 Nov 2017, 13:52:47 UTC - in response to Message 1898856.  

Here is a "free market" solution to prop up the dying coal industry:

The Trump administration wants to force electricity customers to pay for a $10.6 billion annual bailout of the failing coal and nuclear industries through surcharges on their monthly energy bills.

"$10.6 billion annual bailout of the failing coal and nuclear industries"! That it is some outlandish piece of corruption for pollution!!

Very curious as to how the polluting coal is lumped in with (presumably the decommissioning costs of) old-style nuclear...


Why?!

Is Trump that desperate for votes and favour? Or is there some high level corruption there?...


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Message 1899083 - Posted: 4 Nov 2017, 13:59:34 UTC

And for another outlandish Trump-ism:


Climate change: US report at odds with some in Trump team

The White House has sought to downplay a major climate change report, which was compiled by 13 US federal agencies. The study is at odds with assertions from President Donald Trump and several members of his administration...

... Mr Trump, who has embarked on a tour of Asia, once said the concept of global warming was created by the Chinese in order to make American manufacturing less competitive. Earlier this year, he announced he was pulling the US out of the Paris Agreement to cut global emissions...

... Running to nearly 500 pages, the report concludes that the current period is "now the warmest in the history of modern civilisation". It is "extremely likely that human activities, especially emissions of greenhouse gases, are the dominant cause", it finds, adding that "there is no convincing alternative explanation"...




Which will win, and how soon? The view according to Trump or the real world?

Only in the USA?

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Message 1899102 - Posted: 4 Nov 2017, 15:24:04 UTC - in response to Message 1899082.  
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Is Trump that desperate for votes and favour?
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Message 1900061 - Posted: 9 Nov 2017, 19:37:27 UTC
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Zillow*: Climate change could make nearly 2 million more U.S. homes susceptible to future flooding
The term “underwater” — used frequently to refer to homeowners who owed more on their mortgage than their property was worth — has a more frightening meaning in a study by Zillow.
Zillow’s new analysis of the potential impact of climate change on homes across the country projects that 1.9 million residences could be literally underwater by 2100 if the oceans rise six feet.
That six-foot rise is approximately halfway between the federal government’s estimated “very likely” rise of 4.3 feet by 2100 and an eight-foot or greater rise, the possibility of which the government says “cannot be excluded.” Zillow opted for this midpoint rather than address the different predictions for various areas.
If those projections come true, this would impact 1.8 percent of the country’s housing stock, valued at $916 billion.


*Zillow is an online real estate database company that was founded in 2006 and created by Rich Barton and Lloyd Frink, former Microsoft executives and founders of Microsoft spin-off Expedia.
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Message 1901562 - Posted: 17 Nov 2017, 18:04:04 UTC

Keystone Pipeline leaks 210,000 gallons of oil in South Dakota
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/us/keystone-pipeline-leak/index.html
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Message 1901566 - Posted: 17 Nov 2017, 18:59:57 UTC - in response to Message 1901562.  

Keystone Pipeline leaks 210,000 gallons of oil in South Dakota
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/us/keystone-pipeline-leak/index.html

Exxon Valdez 150,000 barrels
http://www.heritage.org/environment/report/the-trans-alaska-pipeline-lessons-the-keystone-xl-pipeline-debate
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster

As long as there are mouths that demand food, the oil is coming out of the ground. If you don't want the oil coming out of the ground then you have to reduce world population.
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Message 1901975 - Posted: 20 Nov 2017, 1:58:08 UTC
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An article in the Economist that indicates pretty much what MajorKong has been stating... it doesn't look like there's any viable way of dealing with this long-term, Paris accord or not.

Fully 101 of the 116 models the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change uses to chart what lies ahead assume that carbon will be taken out of the air in order for the world to have a good chance of meeting the 2°C target. The total amount of CO2 to be soaked up by 2100 could be a staggering 810bn tonnes, as much as the world’s economy produces in 20 years at today’s rate (see article). Putting in place carbon-removal schemes of this magnitude would be an epic endeavour even if tried-and-tested techniques existed.

They do not. A few power stations and industrial facilities capture CO2 that would otherwise end up in the air and store it away underground, a practice known as carbon capture and storage. But this long-touted approach to cutting emissions still operates on only a very small scale, dealing with just a few tens of millions of tonnes of CO2 a year. And such schemes merely lower emissions; they do not reverse them.


We could probably do it if we could plant two Amazon-sized forests in currently unforested areas and leave them alone. However, given our propensity for clearing forests and expanding population, this doesn't seem like it will ever happen.

//Staying positive and riding my bicycle. :^p
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Message 1905806 - Posted: 9 Dec 2017, 3:18:06 UTC

"When scientists say bears are going extinct, I want people to realize what it looks like," says photographer Paul Nicklen
This is what climate change looks like :(
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/939283476334895104
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Message 1905858 - Posted: 9 Dec 2017, 6:24:34 UTC - in response to Message 1901566.  

Keystone Pipeline leaks 210,000 gallons of oil in South Dakota
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/us/keystone-pipeline-leak/index.html

Exxon Valdez 150,000 barrels
http://www.heritage.org/environment/report/the-trans-alaska-pipeline-lessons-the-keystone-xl-pipeline-debate
or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster

As long as there are mouths that demand food, the oil is coming out of the ground. If you don't want the oil coming out of the ground then you have to reduce world population.

Finally, at last Gary you have made a statement that I totally agree with. +1
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Message 1905864 - Posted: 9 Dec 2017, 6:37:13 UTC - in response to Message 1905858.  

Keystone Pipeline leaks 210,000 gallons of oil in South Dakota
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/us/keystone-pipeline-leak/index.html

Exxon Valdez 150,000 barrels
http://www.heritage.org/environment/report/the-trans-alaska-pipeline-lessons-the-keystone-xl-pipeline-debate
or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster

As long as there are mouths that demand food, the oil is coming out of the ground. If you don't want the oil coming out of the ground then you have to reduce world population.

Finally, at last Gary you have made a statement that I totally agree with. +1

Yes. Let's start to reduce the people in countries that crave the most of OUR planet resources!
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Message 1906135 - Posted: 10 Dec 2017, 7:23:16 UTC - in response to Message 1905864.  

Keystone Pipeline leaks 210,000 gallons of oil in South Dakota
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/us/keystone-pipeline-leak/index.html

Exxon Valdez 150,000 barrels
http://www.heritage.org/environment/report/the-trans-alaska-pipeline-lessons-the-keystone-xl-pipeline-debate
or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster

As long as there are mouths that demand food, the oil is coming out of the ground. If you don't want the oil coming out of the ground then you have to reduce world population.

Finally, at last Gary you have made a statement that I totally agree with. +1

Yes. Let's start to reduce the people in countries that crave the most of OUR planet resources!

That's what wars do. Not a politically correct statement to make but true none the less.
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Message 1906942 - Posted: 14 Dec 2017, 4:39:30 UTC
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This city in Alaska is warming so fast, algorithms removed the data because it seemed unreal
Last week, scientists were pulling together the latest data for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s monthly report on the climate when they noticed something strange: One of their key climate monitoring stations had fallen off the map. All of the data for Barrow, Alaska — the northernmost city in the United States — was missing.

No, Barrow hadn’t literally been vanquished by the pounding waves of the Arctic Sea (although it does sit precipitously close). The missing station was just the result of rapid, man-made climate change, with a runaway effect on the Arctic.

The temperature in Barrow had been warming so fast this year, the data was automatically flagged as unreal and removed from the climate database. It was done by algorithms that were put in place to ensure that only the best data gets included in NOAA’s reports. They’re handy to keep the data sets clean, but this kind of quality-control algorithm is good only in “average” situations, with no outliers. The situation in Barrow, however, is anything but average.

Promising to ‘Make Our Planet Great Again,’ Macron lures 13 U.S. climate scientists to France
What initially looked like an impish dig at President Trump by French President Emmanuel Macron over climate policy has turned into a concrete plan.

First, when the Trump administration proposed slashing federal science budgets and then, on June 1, when Trump pulled the United States out of the Paris climate accord, Macron took to social media to offer (in perfect English) to greet with open arms — and research dollars — American scientists worried about the political climate as well as global warming.

Macron urged worried climate scientists, engineers and entrepreneurs to see France as a “second homeland” and to come work there because “we all share the same responsibility: make our planet great again.”

Two years after the Paris climate accord was adopted, the French government is unveiling a list of 18 “laureates” — 13 of them working in the United States — who have won a “Make Our Planet Great Again” competition for $70 million of research grants awarded for as long as five years. They include professors and researchers at Cornell University, Columbia University, Stanford University and other institutions.
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Message 1906948 - Posted: 14 Dec 2017, 5:44:42 UTC - in response to Message 1906942.  

The data for Barrow, Alaska seems already "lost" from 2014.
I would say that the raw data is hidden!
http://notrickszone.com/2014/07/05/weather-dtata-institutes-destroying-orginal-raw-data/#sthash.rsEvO7fD.dpbs
Some scientists devote their lives painstakingly assembling fragments of evidence to piece together a picture of the past. They deserve tremendous credit. Unfortunately today we appear to have inept or sleazy scientists who take collected data and destroy it – thus permanently blinding our view of the past. These people deserve to be loathed.
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Message 1907843 - Posted: 18 Dec 2017, 9:56:49 UTC

https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/

North pole approx the same as last year a RECORD LOW

South Pole doing better than last year, also a RECORD LOW year ! but doing better than the north pole but still below mean average

CO2 = 407.08 NORTHERN Hemisphere

https://scripps.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/

Southern hemisphere approx. 400 ppm max 2016 data (current data unavailable ??)
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