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Message 1847754 - Posted: 10 Feb 2017, 8:51:23 UTC - in response to Message 1847748.  
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We are on the cosmic skyride, folks. And the earth is taking us with it on our inevitable journey.


YUP!

I do hope that you are sincere in agreeing with my statement, and are not just YUPPING because you can.
It is all, beyond doubt, beyond anything mankind can control.
Now, in the future, and back when we started to command fossil fuels.
All that we are now, all that we have been, has had no impact on this earth's future.
The only area I believe we at present COULD have some bearing on the future of planet Earth might perhaps be our ability to shoot down an offending comet or asteroid hit.

THAT, perhaps, we could control in the future.
The basic course of our planet, not so.
Not any more than the sealed planetarium jar in a glass bottle that I did as an experiment years ago in high school.

It thrived for a while, but was not able to continue forever.
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Message 1847924 - Posted: 11 Feb 2017, 0:35:16 UTC

Australia has been brutally scorched by record-high temperatures, with eastern regions rising up to +48C, and no end in sight.
https://sputniknews.com/asia/201702111050567165-australia-heatwave-record-temperatures/
No worries, mate.
It's only "Alternative facts".
Perhaps even a fake!
+48C is way cooler than 118 F.
We all know that.
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Message 1847927 - Posted: 11 Feb 2017, 0:41:32 UTC - in response to Message 1847924.  

Australia has been brutally scorched by record-high temperatures, with eastern regions rising up to +48C, and no end in sight.
https://sputniknews.com/asia/201702111050567165-australia-heatwave-record-temperatures/
No worries, mate.
It's only "Alternative facts".
Perhaps even a fake!
+48C is way cooler than 118 F.
We all know that.

Sydney Morning Herald says that there may have to be power black-outs, due to the high demand for air conditioning I assume.
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/sydney-weather-nsw-bakes-in-heatwave-as-warnings-issued-for-pollution-power-cuts-20170210-guam0h.html
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Message 1848522 - Posted: 13 Feb 2017, 15:37:35 UTC

Hmmm...

https://science.house.gov/news/press-releases/former-noaa-scientist-confirms-colleagues-manipulated-climate-records

Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas): “I thank Dr. John Bates for courageously stepping forward to tell the truth about NOAA’s senior officials playing fast and loose with the data in order to meet a politically predetermined conclusion. In the summer of 2015, whistleblowers alerted the Committee that the Karl study was rushed to publication before underlying data issues were resolved to help influence public debate about the so-called Clean Power Plan and upcoming Paris climate conference. Since then, the Committee has attempted to obtain information that would shed further light on these allegations, but was obstructed at every turn by the previous administration’s officials. I repeatedly asked, ‘What does NOAA have to hide?’

“Now that Dr. Bates has confirmed that there were heated disagreements within NOAA about the quality and transparency of the data before publication, we know why NOAA fought transparency and oversight at every turn. Dr. Bates’ revelations and NOAA’s obstruction certainly lend credence to what I’ve expected all along – that the Karl study used flawed data, was rushed to publication in an effort to support the president’s climate change agenda, and ignored NOAA’s own standards for scientific study. The Committee thanks Dr. Bates, a Department of Commerce Gold Medal winner for creating and implementing a standard to produce and preserve climate data, for exposing the previous administration’s efforts to push their costly climate agenda at the expense of scientific integrity.”


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4216180/How-trust-global-warming-scientists-asks-David-Rose.html

It turns out that when NOAA compiled what is known as the ‘version 4’ dataset, it took reliable readings from buoys but then ‘adjusted’ them upwards – using readings from seawater intakes on ships that act as weather stations.

They did this even though readings from the ships have long been known to be too hot.

No one, to be clear, has ‘tampered’ with the figures. But according to Bates, the way those figures were chosen exaggerated global warming.

And without this new dataset there would have been no Pausebuster paper. If, as previous sea water evidence has shown, there really has been a pause in global warming, then it calls into question the received wisdom about its true scale.

Then there is the matter of timing. Documents obtained by this newspaper show that NOAA, ignoring protests by Dr Bates, held back publication of the version 4 sea dataset several months after it was ready – to intensify the impact of the Pausebuster paper. It also meant more skeptical voices had no chance to examine the figures.

Our revelations showed there was another problem with the Pausebuster paper – it used an untested experimental version of the dataset recording temperatures on land, which had not been properly archived and made accessible to other scientists.

This was a fundamental breach of mandatory rules under NOAA’s Climate Data Records programme, which Bates had devised. Is it sharp practice? Certainly it carries the stench of ‘Climategate’ in 2009, when leaked emails showed scientists colluding to hide data and weaknesses in their arguments.


Now then...

While I am firmly convinced that human activity is causing climate change (not to mention a host of other environmental degradation issues), and I find it extremely likely that human-caused 'greenhouse gas emissions' are causing climate change as well, I believe that there must be an extreme level of scientific integrity and rigor in the collected data-sets.

I, myself, have had reservations about climate scientists (pardon the pun) 'cooking' the data. Yes, the 'hiatus' is extremely inconvenient to the proponents of anthropomorphic climate change (myself included). But... The proper response to this is a LOT more study of the issues to try and find the reason for it, not to 'cook' the data until it shows that it does not exist. We NEED to understand the 'hiatus' a LOT better. Perhaps it is nothing but an instrumentation error. But then, perhaps proper understanding of the mechanism behind the 'hiatus' might yield another vector we can use to attack the problem.

To use an older term, Anthropogenic Global Warming due to Greenhouse Gas emissions (GhG-AGW) is potentially a VERY SERIOUS problem. If the AlGoreite Warmists are correct we are in some seriously deep organic fertilizer. The IPCC has published a breakdown of the amounts of anthropogenic GHG emissions by GHG type and economic sector (I have linked them many times in these various climate threads). Other scientists have stated how much of one GHG (CO2) from ALL sources that the planet can effectively deal with per year (again, I have linked that research here as well). The amount of CO2 that just agriculture emits per year is in excess of the amount the planet can effectively deal with per year (from ALL sources). The only sure solution to the problem is immediate and rapid drastic reductions in both population and technology.

Yes, cessation of use of fossil fuels is a VERY good thing, but it won't be enough. Things are too far gone for that to be a solution.

Sure, we could wait around and hope for a scientific 'deus ex machina' to solve the problem. But, to have even half of a hope for that, we MUST understand things a LOT better... Something that 'cooking the data' to erase various inconvenient items (such as the 'hiatus') does NOT serve.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.
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Message 1848900 - Posted: 15 Feb 2017, 22:04:21 UTC

The reason we keep our sparkling fizzy drinks cold is to try and keep the dissolved gasses in the drink as long as possible.
Therefore if the oceans warm up guess what happens to the dissolved gasses, such as oxygen, a gas essential for life.
Nature - Decline in global oceanic oxygen content during the past five decades
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Message 1848904 - Posted: 15 Feb 2017, 22:18:44 UTC - in response to Message 1848900.  

The reason we keep our sparkling fizzy drinks cold is to try and keep the dissolved gasses in the drink as long as possible.
Therefore if the oceans warm up guess what happens to the dissolved gasses, such as oxygen, a gas essential for life.
Nature - Decline in global oceanic oxygen content during the past five decades

Guess that must be why we grew legs where our fins used to be.
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Message 1848906 - Posted: 15 Feb 2017, 22:35:18 UTC - in response to Message 1848900.  

Yes. Less oxygen and more CO2 in the oceans when the climate gets warmer.
http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/What+is+Ocean+Acidification%3F
Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the pH of surface ocean waters has fallen by 0.1 pH units. Since the pH scale, like the Richter scale, is logarithmic, this change represents approximately a 30 percent increase in acidity. Future predictions indicate that the oceans will continue to absorb carbon dioxide and become even more acidic. Estimates of future carbon dioxide levels, based on business as usual emission scenarios, indicate that by the end of this century the surface waters of the ocean could be nearly 150 percent more acidic, resulting in a pH that the oceans haven’t experienced for more than 20 million years.
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Message 1855952 - Posted: 17 Mar 2017, 13:25:43 UTC

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Message 1857206 - Posted: 23 Mar 2017, 12:59:12 UTC


The winter 2016/2017 has been very warm in the Arctic. For the period when the sun is under the horizon in the high Arctic, from October through February, temperature in the entire Arctic Ocean were more than 2,5 degrees Celsius above average, and in large part of the Barents Sea even more than 5 degrees Celsius, National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Colorado, USA, reports.
https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/arctic/2017/03/arctic-sea-ice-all-time-winter-low
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Message 1857777 - Posted: 27 Mar 2017, 0:06:05 UTC
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How can the Denialists dream this ain't happening?...


'Extreme and unusual' climate trends continue after record 2016

In the atmosphere, the seas and around the poles, climate change is reaching disturbing new levels across the Earth...

... 2016 was not only the warmest year on record, but it saw atmospheric CO2 rise to a new high, while Arctic sea ice recorded a new winter low. The "extreme and unusual" conditions have continued in 2017...

In the Arctic, temperatures were about 3 degrees C above the 1961-1990 average. In Svalbard, the Norwegian island high in the Arctic circle, the yearly average was 6.5 degrees above the long-term mark. The report says that temperatures in 2016 were "substantially influenced" by the El Niño weather phenomenon, contributing 0.1 to 0.2 degrees on top of the longer-term warming driven by emissions of CO2...

In the face of all this information, climate researchers around the world are irked by the attitude of the Trump government in Washington. The new administration has rolled back some of the global warming measures taken by President Obama, while the newly appointed head of the Environmental Protection Agency, Scott Pruitt, denied that CO2 was a primary contributor to warming.

"The WMO's statement on the 2016 climate leaves no room for doubt. The much-hyped warming hiatus is over - and the 'missing' heat energy didn't go missing at all. Instead, that heat went into the ocean, and we got much of it back again last year," said Dr Phil Williamson, from the University of East Anglia.

"Human-driven climate change is now an empirically verifiable fact...




And apart from the direct Human deaths, here is just one on-going consequence that will lead to worse yet to come:

7000 Gas Bubbles Expected to 'Explode' in Siberia

... Well, we really hate to burst these bubbles, but further research into the wider Yamal and Gydan peninsulas has uncovered about 7,000 more of these mysterious mounds.

Scientists believe that these bumps are caused by thawing permafrost releasing methane. ..




Direct action needed now by all sane people with any interest in their future!

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Message 1857788 - Posted: 27 Mar 2017, 0:55:15 UTC - in response to Message 1857777.  
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7000 Gas Bubbles Expected to 'Explode' in Siberia

Yes. Discovered: 200-plus Arctic lakes which bubble like jacuzzis from seeping methane gas
http://siberiantimes.com/science/casestudy/features/discovered-200-plus-arctic-lakes-which-bubble-like-jacuzzis-from-seeping-methane-gas/
Btw. The Yamal peninsula experienced temperatures reaching 35 degrees Celsius (95 degrees Fahrenheit) last summer.
So why do the Russians want to go to Crimea when they have Yamal:)
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Message 1857792 - Posted: 27 Mar 2017, 1:16:35 UTC - in response to Message 1857788.  

7000 Gas Bubbles Expected to 'Explode' in Siberia

Yes. Discovered: 200-plus Arctic lakes which bubble like jacuzzis from seeping methane gas
http://siberiantimes.com/science/casestudy/features/discovered-200-plus-arctic-lakes-which-bubble-like-jacuzzis-from-seeping-methane-gas/
Btw. The Yamal peninsula experienced temperatures reaching 35 degrees Celsius (95 degrees Fahrenheit) last summer.
So why do the Russians want to go to Crimea when they have Yamal:)

Putin politics and oil corruption :-( :-(


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Message 1857793 - Posted: 27 Mar 2017, 1:18:45 UTC - in response to Message 1857777.  

How can the Denialists dream this ain't happening?...
Fake News. Heresy. Apostate. Burn the warmist witch at the stake with coal!

What happened to Galileo and you ask how? You know how.
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Message 1857815 - Posted: 27 Mar 2017, 3:42:10 UTC

As been stated this years cycle has had the lowest sea ice extent ever and at both poles simultaneously .

This has never happened both records at the north and south pole where broken and broken by a huge amount

The Runaway Green house cycle has started to happen Trump and others MUST understand and stop all GAS and coal Fired plants
and it must be done now not 20 yrs from now.

Will Trump and his supporter realise it's there neck on the line there is no winner if our Atmosphere is Poisoned .

Oh Right the rich think they will be safe in there DOMES of Gated Community's ...good luck wid that :)
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Message 1857828 - Posted: 27 Mar 2017, 4:24:56 UTC - in response to Message 1857815.  

Will Trump and his supporter realise it's there neck on the line there is no winner if our Atmosphere is Poisoned .

Oh Right the rich think they will be safe in there DOMES of Gated Community's ...good luck wid that :)
Glenn, you missed the previous message.

It can be 40C at the poles in winter and they still will refuse to believe man had any part in it. It is Allah's will that it be 40C, man can do nothing.

<plaint>When will humanity wake up that people who are so easily deluded need psychological help. I know won't happen the oligarchs need them to con them so they can be rich.
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Message 1857829 - Posted: 27 Mar 2017, 4:28:01 UTC - in response to Message 1857828.  

Will Trump and his supporter realise it's there neck on the line there is no winner if our Atmosphere is Poisoned .

Oh Right the rich think they will be safe in there DOMES of Gated Community's ...good luck wid that :)
Glenn, you missed the previous message.

It can be 40C at the poles in winter and they still will refuse to believe man had any part in it. It is Allah's will that it be 40C, man can do nothing.

<plaint>When will humanity wake up that people who are so easily deluded need psychological help. I know won't happen the oligarchs need them to con them so they can be rich.

That's what living in an "Alternate Reality" does to idiots. ;-)

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Message 1857830 - Posted: 27 Mar 2017, 4:35:55 UTC
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I'm waiting to see if Cape Grim in Tasmania is starting to show higher Methane levels if so God help us all you can take 11 years min off what we did have as a buffer Methane
stays in the Atmosphere for up to 11 years and Cape Grim is as far south as there is and is the cleanest Air in the World so if it happening there then say no more about Climate Denial it's a joke that will kill us all

Ps: Cape Grim does show Methane levels where Scripps (Hawaii) do not
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Message 1857834 - Posted: 27 Mar 2017, 5:02:51 UTC

I'm looking forward to the future summers in the Arctic regions.
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Message 1857836 - Posted: 27 Mar 2017, 5:19:20 UTC - in response to Message 1857834.  

I'm looking forward to the future summers in the Arctic regions.




Our summers are ...........You don't go OUTSIDE from 10am - 4pm or your going to burn in 10 mins or less on certain days
Without Slip ,Slop ,Slap ...
http://www.cancer.org.au/preventing-cancer/sun-protection/campaigns-and-events/slip-slop-slap-seek-slide.htm
This is a very old health campaign and everybody knows it here
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