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Message 1801658 - Posted: 9 Jul 2016, 0:58:03 UTC - in response to Message 1801652.  
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... And better education leads to a lower birthrate as is shown the world over.

Yes. And that's a indisputable fact.
That and eridicating "extreme" poverty in the world and the world population will stop grow before 2100.
The projection is that it will stop with the current situation anyway in 2100 but the sooner the better if we all help each other.
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Message 1801664 - Posted: 9 Jul 2016, 1:34:38 UTC - in response to Message 1801652.  

Talking of better education, next Tuesday on her birthday is Malala Day, as declared by the UN, Which has the aim of giving all girls 12 years of education.
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Message 1802363 - Posted: 13 Jul 2016, 14:09:51 UTC

New record for sea ice loss in the Arctic again!
And a new temperature record in northern Canada!
http://thebarentsobserver.com/arctic/2016/07/new-record-sea-ice-loss-arctic#.V4VEHRwX-Bk.twitter
In Kugluktuk, Nunavut on June 5th, the temperature was 29.2 degrees Celsius. A month later the warm spell continued with a temperature of 27 degrees on July 6th, a new record for the date. Normally the temperature in July in western Nunavut varies between 8 and 15 degrees.
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Message 1806821 - Posted: 3 Aug 2016, 16:47:46 UTC
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Can climate denial get bigger or worse or more extreme than this?...


The climate crisis is already here – but no one’s telling us

... The media turns us away from the issues that will determine the course of our lives, and towards topics of brain-melting irrelevance.

This, on current trends, will be the hottest year ever measured. The previous record was set in 2015; the one before in 2014. Fifteen of the 16 warmest years have occurred in the 21st century. Each of the past 14 months has beaten the global monthly temperature record. But you can still hear people repeating the old claim, first proposed by fossil fuel lobbyists, that global warming stopped in 1998...

... Eight months ago in Paris, 177 nations promised to try to ensure the world’s average temperature did not rise by more than 1.5C above the pre-industrial level. Already it has climbed by 1.3C – faster and further than almost anyone predicted. In one respect, the scientists were wrong. They told us to expect a climate crisis in the second half of this century. But it’s already here...

... Donald Trump, on the other hand – well, what did you expect? Climate change is a “con-job” and a “hoax”...

... On every significant issue in the manifesto, corporate capital wins... [Our world loses.]

... To pretend that newspapers and television channels are neutral arbiters of such matters is to ignore their place at the corrupt heart of the establishment... [Our world and everyone loses.]



There is a particularly apt comment to that article for the continuing ever greater corrupt climate pollution and denial:

Ten years from now, perhaps we can have the climate equivalent of the Nuremburg Trials. Those who prioritized profit over the future of mankind could be sentenced to work on projects that mitigate the impact of the decisions they made. It won't affect the reality we'll be living in, but it will make me feel better.



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Message 1806985 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 8:39:42 UTC - in response to Message 1806821.  
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Those who prioritized profit over the future of mankind could be sentenced to work on projects that mitigate the impact of the decisions they made.


Yes indeed. Al Gore and the CEO of Solyndra along with Obama and his crony 80 Billion clean energy fraud can pay my electric bill which will have risen to maybe $2000 per month due to no-think, feel good, ineffective nonsense. To the list add tax-payer subsidized Elon Musk (Tesla), the CEO of Solar City and Andrew Cuomo who wrote a taxpayer's check to Solar City to the tune of $750 Million Dollars.

The Chicken Little agenda is enormously profitable due to the massive unsophistication of the public.
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Message 1806988 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 8:46:02 UTC - in response to Message 1806985.  
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While we are at it let's indict our good friends and false prophets (profits ??) Ralph Nader, Paul Ehrlich and the Author of the CIA report that we would have run out of oil by now.
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Message 1809890 - Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 12:13:41 UTC - in response to Message 1809867.  

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Message 1810863 - Posted: 20 Aug 2016, 23:23:49 UTC

Update Sea ice extant North pole

With approx. 3 weeks till the minimum sea ice extant It appears we will avoid a new record low this year as the melting has slowed . At this time we are heading for the second lowest sea ice extant beating last year but not the record in 2012 . The southern sea ice extent is on par with the average mean level from 1980 - 2010
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Message 1812214 - Posted: 24 Aug 2016, 16:20:26 UTC
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So... For such a question of "suffer pollution and the destruction of nature" or go for "short term profit", which way will Canada sway?...


Canada’s 'dirty oil' climate change dilemma

A debate is raging in Alberta over plans to get more "dirty oil" out of the ground, which some say is in conflict with Canada's environmental commitments...



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Message 1812503 - Posted: 25 Aug 2016, 15:32:18 UTC

OK, I'm at it again, critical of our cousins across the pond, with absolutely no apologies. Especially as these links both come from US sources.

wp - I don’t need air conditioning, and neither do you

fivethirtyeight - We Use A Whole Bunch Of Energy Every Summer (And A Lot Of It Goes To Waste)
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Message 1812535 - Posted: 25 Aug 2016, 16:46:26 UTC - in response to Message 1812503.  

OK, I'm at it again, critical of our cousins across the pond, with absolutely no apologies. Especially as these links both come from US sources.

wp - I don’t need air conditioning, and neither do you

fivethirtyeight - We Use A Whole Bunch Of Energy Every Summer (And A Lot Of It Goes To Waste)


WinterKnight,

I see that you are back complaining about our use of air-conditioning... again.

If you lived *here* you might feel differently on the subject.

Summer days here can be quite brutally oppressive. It is not that uncommon to have a summer day here with a temperature above 100F and a relative humidity above 75%.

I have seen summer high temperatures as high as 114F (not to mention winter temperatures of -14F).

You want us to turn off our air-conditioning in the summer? How about you guys in the UK turning off ALL your heat during the winter? I mean, (some of) you don't need a heat source to stay alive during the winter, right? After all, we did not evolve in the presence of artificial heat sources, not even a fire in the cave... That came much later after our evolution had (for the most part) reached its current level.

I mean, the number of people at their residences that run their air-conditioners on arctic-blast is low and getting lower. Electricity costs too damn much to do that foolish schizz anymore. However, what *I* do is run the AC at a much warmer temperature (something > 80F) just enough to take some of the humidity out of the air so that regular fans can keep me and my family cool.

Qwitcherbitchin about our use of air-conditioning. It is *our* individual choice to do so, and frankly its absolutely no business of yours or anyone elses.

As to your 538 link, it is a good read. But they failed to mention (or at least I did not see it when I skimmed the article) *transmission line losses*. Those are estimated to be about 6.5% of the total, and that is just in the transmission lines... You also need several sets of transformers to step up or down the voltage, and those introduce even more losses.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Message 1812546 - Posted: 25 Aug 2016, 17:16:30 UTC - in response to Message 1812535.  

You obviously don't read all of my posts.
1. I have spent time in the US so do know about your weather and the use of air conditioning.
2. I was brought up in Africa, specifically Eritrea and Sudan, which if you look is in the Sahara Desert.
3. I lived and worked in Italy, for NATO in a building which only had air conditioning in some of the equipment labs. Two of my work colleagues were in the USAF, Linda from California and Ben from New Mexico. After they got used to it neither of them mentioned the lack of air conditioning. The only Americans I can remembering complaining about the hot humid conditions were a few wifes that had persuaded to add window units in bedrooms.

And yes it is the concern of everybody because of the threat of global warming.

And as I said I am unapologetic, if you are upset, I don't f'ing care.

These two links were from United States sources. If you have a gripe go and talk with them, for suggesting that their own countrymen should stop wasting energy during the summer months.
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Message 1812549 - Posted: 25 Aug 2016, 17:39:48 UTC

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/heat/heat_index.shtml
MK's 100f + 75% = Heat Index off chart in extreme danger over highest recorded temperature on the planet!

http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/heat-stroke-symptoms-and-treatment?page=2#2
Risk Factors for Heat Stroke

Heat stroke is most likely to affect older people who live in apartments or homes lacking air conditioning or good airflow. Other high-risk groups include people of any age who don't drink enough water, have chronic diseases, or who drink excessive amounts of alcohol.

Heat stroke is strongly related to the heat index, which is a measurement of how hot you feel when the effects of relative humidity and air temperature are combined. A relative humidity of 60% or more hampers sweat evaporation, which hinders your body's ability to cool itself.

The risk of heat-related illness dramatically increases when the heat index climbs to 90 degrees or more. So it's important -- especially during heat waves -- to pay attention to the reported heat index, and also to remember that exposure to full sunshine can increase the reported heat index by 15 degrees.

If you live in an urban area, you may be especially prone to develop heat stroke during a prolonged heat wave, particularly if there are stagnant atmospheric conditions and poor air quality. In what is known as the "heat island effect," asphalt and concrete store heat during the day and only gradually release it at night, resulting in higher nighttime temperatures.

Other risk factors associated with heat-related illness include:

Age. Infants and children up to age 4, and adults over age 65, are particularly vulnerable because they adjust to heat more slowly than other people.

Health conditions. These include heart, lung, or kidney disease, obesity or underweight, high blood pressure, diabetes, mental illness, sickle cell trait, alcoholism, sunburn, and any conditions that cause fever.

Medications. These include antihistamines, diet pills, diuretics, sedatives, tranquilizers, stimulants, seizure medications (anticonvulsants), heart and blood pressure medications such as beta-blockers and vasoconstrictors, and medications for psychiatric illnesses such as antidepressants and antipsychotics. Illegal drugs such as cocaine and methamphetamine also are associated with increased risk of heat stroke.

People with diabetes -- who are at increased risk of emergency room visits, hospitalization, and death from heat-related illness -- may be especially likely to underestimate their risk during heat waves, according to a recent study presented at the Endocrine Society's annual meeting by researchers from the Mayo Clinic in Arizona, the National Ocean and Atmospheric Administration, and the National Weather Service.
Note the health conditions which are much more frequently being diagnosed in humans and treated with the items in the medications section.

Sure we don't need A/C dehumidifiers - we can have heat wave population reduction which will reduce global warming, except when all the bodies get cremated.
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Message 1812552 - Posted: 25 Aug 2016, 17:52:07 UTC - in response to Message 1812549.  

World's hottest inhabited place is Dallol, Ethiopia. Which happens to be close to the border of Eritrea.
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Message 1812559 - Posted: 25 Aug 2016, 18:27:14 UTC

"Dhahran, Saudi Arabia on July 8, 2003, the dew point was 35 °C (95 °F) while the temperature was 42 °C (108 °F), resulting in a heat index of 78 °C (172 °F)."
Dallol is chilly in comparison because of much lower dew point. "In addition to being extremely hot year-round, the climate of the lowlands of the Danakil Depression is also extremely dry and hyper-arid"

You underestimate the importance of humidity.
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Message 1812560 - Posted: 25 Aug 2016, 18:27:54 UTC

A.C. Sahara said:
And yes it is the concern of everybody because of the threat of global
warming. And as I said I am unapologetic, if you are upset, I don't
f'ing care.


If DR HO HUM could ROLL On Da Floor and Laugh His Frickin' Head Off, He Would. Without Apologies. Of Course.

DR HO HUM Loves AIR CONDITIONING. DR HO HUM Loves Global Warming, Cooling, and All Global In-Betweens.
DR HO HUM is Threatened Not by Global Anything.

Yappin' aka NO APOLOGIES.

May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!
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Message 1812561 - Posted: 25 Aug 2016, 18:39:25 UTC - in response to Message 1812559.  

"Dhahran, Saudi Arabia on July 8, 2003, the dew point was 35 °C (95 °F) while the temperature was 42 °C (108 °F), resulting in a heat index of 78 °C (172 °F)."
Dallol is chilly in comparison because of much lower dew point. "In addition to being extremely hot year-round, the climate of the lowlands of the Danakil Depression is also extremely dry and hyper-arid"

You underestimate the importance of humidity.

I do know about humidity, spent 9 months in Singapore and Malaya, even mentioned it before, think it was to Clyde.
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Message 1812563 - Posted: 25 Aug 2016, 19:03:58 UTC - in response to Message 1812546.  

You obviously don't read all of my posts.
1. I have spent time in the US so do know about your weather and the use of air conditioning.
2. I was brought up in Africa, specifically Eritrea and Sudan, which if you look is in the Sahara Desert.
3. I lived and worked in Italy, for NATO in a building which only had air conditioning in some of the equipment labs. Two of my work colleagues were in the USAF, Linda from California and Ben from New Mexico. After they got used to it neither of them mentioned the lack of air conditioning. The only Americans I can remembering complaining about the hot humid conditions were a few wifes that had persuaded to add window units in bedrooms.

And yes it is the concern of everybody because of the threat of global warming.

And as I said I am unapologetic, if you are upset, I don't f'ing care.

These two links were from United States sources. If you have a gripe go and talk with them, for suggesting that their own countrymen should stop wasting energy during the summer months.


1. Where did you stay in the USA? And, for how long in what months?
2. The Desert... Dry heat. I feel very little discomfort in 110F temperatures in the Northern Chihuahuan Desert. It is NOT humid there. It IS one of my favorite vacation spots out in far West Texas.
3. Maybe most stopped complaining because they realized it did not do much good.

You invoke global warming... Fine and dandy. The ONLY possible solution to global warming is an IMMEDIATE, EXTREME reduction in population on the order of 99.95%. Like THAT is going to ever happen. The lifetime of the extra carbon we have put into the carbon cycle is so long (on the order of the lifetime of high-level nuclear waste... > 100,000 years) and so MUCH of human activity causes emissions of GHGs (I have linked information that shows both of these, both from peer-reviewed scientific journals and UN IPCC publications).

Humanity is doomed. We have totally and completely farked ourselves, from the moment that we figured out that we could make fire and that by putting seeds into the ground in a certain way we could grow food.

We could immediately, totally stop using any and all fossil fuels for ANYTHING and it would not be enough. There is too much anthropogenic GHG emissions from other sources.

Figuratively, Rome is burning, and there is not enough political will to 'put the fire out'.

And, since the fire is approaching, and there is not anything that I or anyone else can realistically do to stop it, I may as well be COMFORTABLE as I sit here and watch the flames head this way.

If you do not wish to stop your DENIAL that the problem is much, much worse than your governments have told you, well then... to use YOUR words,

I am unapologetic, if you are upset, I don't f'ing care.

https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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