I still can't believe you had the stones to criticize our use of air conditioning in the other thread. It gets hot around here, with the usual humidity, people start DYING (especially the elderly and the very young) without it.

Isn't it just an artificial way to keep people alive who would have naturally died in early times before it was available and still do in countries where air conditioning isn't a common item.

Therefore, yes I do, critisise the excessive use of air conditioning in the US.

Then, if you are going to criticize that, then kindly start criticizing other things such as medical/health care... Oh, and agriculture...

After all, according to you we can't go on keeping people alive through artificial, technological means, now can we?

I'll do that with one overall request. Will the US stop using twice as much energy as the UK per capita.

I'll do that with one overall request. Will the US stop using twice as much energy as the UK per capita.

You Brits drink you beer warm, often that is very undesirable.

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I'll do that with one overall request. Will the US stop using twice as much energy as the UK per capita.

You Brits drink you beer warm, often that is very undesirable.

Only because you lack a sense of taste.

Winternight it's fine you saying turn off your Air Con BUT believe me 3 months of temps above 28 C and you wont say that trust me it gets way above 28 here mate and night time is the worst .

Anything above 21 and you just can't sleep good and dehydrate so the Americans aren't the only ones that use AirCon all summer in fact that's 1/2 way through spring all of summer and 1/2 way through autumn .

Any temp above 28 is dangerous for long periods and you need to drink at least 8ltrs of water per day or you will get heat stroke and that can kill you quickly . You can trust that from someone that has worked in extreme heat most of my life and when I say extreme I'm talking 55 plus temps

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Winternight it's fine you saying turn off your Air Con BUT believe me 3 months of temps above 28 C and you wont say that trust me it gets way above 28 here mate and night time is the worst .

Anything above 21 and you just can't sleep good and dehydrate so the Americans aren't the only ones that use AirCon all summer in fact that's 1/2 way through spring all of summer and 1/2 way through autumn .

Any temp above 28 is dangerous for long periods and you need to drink at least 8ltrs of water per day or you will get heat stroke and that can kill you quickly . You can trust that from someone that has worked in extreme heat most of my life and when I say extreme I'm talking 55 plus temps

Well I lived my early life in East Africa for 11 years without air con, so dispute the 3 months of above 28C being a problem. Then much later spent 8 years in Italy, without air con in my homes. Had air con in the equipment labs, but in summer with the transmitters on that only reduced the air temp to ~34C, and I had to do demonstrations of maintenance procedures etc. on the transmitters. Two of these demonstrations usually took over an hour. I would end up drenched even in mid winter.

I never had problems sleeping, but yes drinking lots of water is essential.

Winternight temps above 28 kill the very young (babies ) and the older age groups in nursing homes . Europe had thousands die in a heat wave not that long ago and most of the dead where in aged care.

It is also dangerous to pregnant women . It's also a argument you will lose mate . As a union delegate I threated the bosses at BHP that I was going to call a 24 hours strike if one of the casting machines had not been turned off and we started a rotation of 20min on the machine and 1 hour in the lunch room if the machine was still going in 1 hour because the air temp hit 42 outside the lunch room .

The boss wished to argue with me so I said call the department manager , I then went to my locker and got all the ohs and health reports about heat stroke and dumpd the whole lot on his desk and then walk over to the P.A and said in 20 mins there will be a gate meeting we are going out boys they wont turn no 2 machine off .
The bosses backed down as they knew they did not have a leg to stand on it is well known in the steel industry just how bad heat stroke is and any temp above 28 is dangerous .

Working in a lab is not that strenuous so probably not as dangerous as it would be to many other types of work .

When you where drenched did you have a head acke as that is the first sign of heat stroke
2nd sign is white lips and tounge
3rd is loss of strength at this point you only have about 1 hour max before you will die and I have been relieved from my job because I have got to 3rd stage by my foreman who noticed I was having trouble lifting a oxy cutter . I could not walk away from the job unless someone came to help as there was a major problem I was trying to handle but it just was taking to long , how long I was cutting for only 10 minutes and I was ordered to go directly to the on site first aid and not return till they gave me the all clear , quote from the foreman " if I see you here inside of 2 hours i'll send you home "

You can dehydrate while sleeping in temps above 22 , 28 can kill you in your sleep you must keep hydrated . Heat stroke can kill you in under 20 mins depending on where and what you are doing

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http://grounds-mag.com/mag/grounds_maintenance_basics_heat_stress/

Basically says the average American is at risk. Obese, too much salt, too much sugar in water (soda), taking blood pressure medicines, on anti-depressants ...

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http://grounds-mag.com/mag/grounds_maintenance_basics_heat_stress/

Basically says the average American is at risk. Obese, too much salt, too much sugar in water (soda), taking blood pressure medicines, on anti-depressants .

yep so why are you lot seriously not doing something to reduce the CO2 ?

AirCon stops working at temps of above approx. 38-42 and is useless above that .

They either blow up or breakdown or are no better than a fan .

sterring aside so long as you drink heaps of water and watch out for the signs and don't do to much your ok .

Little known fact for my countrymen . There is a industrial law that states if the temp goes above 28 (republicans=LNP changed it to 32) you can down tools and stop work and your boss can't say jack or dock your pay and that also goes for some other country's too

ops EDIT : that's 32 changed to 38 now

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http://grounds-mag.com/mag/grounds_maintenance_basics_heat_stress/

Basically says the average American is at risk. Obese, too much salt, too much sugar in water (soda), taking blood pressure medicines, on anti-depressants .

yep so why are you lot seriously not doing something to reduce the CO2 ?

We are. Trump. He will push the button and that will drastically reduce CO2!

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Denial unto death to us ALL?...


America’s Largest Coal Company Has Been Bankrolling Climate Denial

... In a revelation that shouldn’t surprise anybody, Peabody Energy, the United States’ largest coal company, has been bankrolling think tanks, corporate lobbyists, trade associations, and individual scientists at the heart of the climate denial movement...

... few have manipulated the facts of global warming as consistently and egregiously as Peabody, which refers to carbon dioxide in glowing terms and asserts that by cranking up its concentration in our atmosphere, the company is fertilizing the planet for the benefit of mankind. Or, as a Peabody lobbyist once put it, doing “the Lord’s work.”...

... the transition off coal is going to have to continue, if we’re to have any hope of preventing the worst consequences of climate change from unfolding. It would be heartening to see a fossil fuel enterprise acknowledge this reality and take a leading role in developing the energy sources of the future. Sadly, like the compressed dinosaur remains they’ve made their fortunes from, most of these companies seem more interested in burying their heads in the sand and staying there.



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Martin

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Martin the news here is Peabody may go broke can't remember if it's here or in the states they are losing big money and either the Australian arm or the US arm may send the whole company broke .

Guess that's what they get for there denial hahahahahahaha

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ALERT !!! WARNING !!! DANGER < DANGER!!!

While looking at the SST I noticed in the top left the East coast of America has a problem !!

I Zoomed in and there it is

The North American Atlantic Current has a very big problem .

So I Google it and found this

http://www.livescience.com/46548-ocean-currents-linked-ice-age-length.html

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ALERT !!! WARNING !!! DANGER < DANGER!!!

While looking at the SST I noticed in the top left the East coast of America has a problem !!

I Zoomed in and there it is

The North American Atlantic Current has a very big problem .

So I Google it and found this

http://www.livescience.com/46548-ocean-currents-linked-ice-age-length.html

Reading the above:

May be Natural or Man made. Our Present Knowledge and Science isn't advanced enough. They really don't know. Just Individual Scientist's Opinion.

Because of our very limited present Scientific Knowledge. Probably means we cannot really 'fix' this, and MUST prepare for the consequences.

I think your right there . If the current does turn off this or next summer it's going to have big consequences for Europe and the mid western America

People will have to wake up we are in big trouble and it's going to need new thinking to survive it .

Food shortages from drought and floods > Europe will have colder winters so crop failures there too

Best case is the current stops but starts back up in winter but some how if it stops I don't think it will start back up .

Were at the point things have gone to far .....Hang on folks it's going to get very bumpy this ride of life in then next 10 years .

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Yet more global warming effects that are plain to see across an ever wider view... Just look up in the evening sky with your own unaided eye:


Climate Change at the Edge of Space

... we call them, “noctilucent clouds” (NLCs). They appear with regularity in summer months, shining against the starry sky at the edge of twilight. Back in the 19th century you had to go to Arctic latitudes to see them. In recent years, however, they have been sighted from backyards as far south as Colorado and Kansas...

... These results are consistent with a simple model linking PMCs to two greenhouse gases. First, carbon dioxide promotes PMCs by making the mesosphere colder. (While increasing carbon dioxide warms the surface of the Earth, those same molecules refrigerate the upper atmosphere – a yin-yang relationship long known to climate scientists.) Second, methane promotes PMCs by adding moisture to the mesosphere, because rising methane oxidizes into water...

... Summer is the season for PMCs and noctilucent clouds. As June turns into July, observers in Europe are already reporting some displays, and they should appear over the northern USA within weeks.

Observing tips: Look west 30 to 60 minutes after sunset when the sun has dipped ~10 degrees below the horizon. If you see blue-white tendrils spreading across the sky, you may have spotted a sign of climate change. It happens, even at the edge of space.



When do we turn around the lingering old fossils pollution and the corrupt big agribusiness?... How soon?...

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Martin

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When do we turn around the lingering old fossils pollution and the corrupt big agribusiness?... How soon?...

ML1, the answer is quite simple, when cleaner alternatives are cheaper in the short term. After all most of the specie seems to have only a short term perspective.
One way to do it with a tax, highly unlikely due to political reasons. The other is better more cost effective green technology.

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When do we turn around the lingering old fossils pollution and the corrupt big agribusiness?... How soon?...

ML1, the answer is quite simple, when cleaner alternatives are cheaper in the short term. After all most of the specie seems to have only a short term perspective.
One way to do it with a tax, highly unlikely due to political reasons. The other is better more cost effective green technology.

No tech solves this except birth control. The sooner it is admitted, the sooner the solution is upon us.

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Me thinks birth control meets the criteria of being cost effective.

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When do we turn around the lingering old fossils pollution and the corrupt big agribusiness?... How soon?...

ML1, the answer is quite simple, when cleaner alternatives are cheaper in the short term. After all most of the specie seems to have only a short term perspective.
One way to do it with a tax, highly unlikely due to political reasons. The other is better more cost effective green technology.

No tech solves this except birth control. The sooner it is admitted, the sooner the solution is upon us.

While I agree, it isn't quite so simple, the western financial model is built on there being an increase in population so that health and pensions can be financed to increasingly long lived population.

Probably a Catch22 situation as it is education and better health care that led to the increase of lifespan.

And that leads to another political problem, with better education and health care this population sees no need to have high birth rate, so increases in population are met with immigration.

When do we turn around the lingering old fossils pollution and the corrupt big agribusiness?... How soon?...

ML1, the answer is quite simple, when cleaner alternatives are cheaper in the short term. After all most of the specie seems to have only a short term perspective.
One way to do it with a tax, highly unlikely due to political reasons. The other is better more cost effective green technology.

No tech solves this except birth control. The sooner it is admitted, the sooner the solution is upon us.

While I agree, it isn't quite so simple, the western financial model is built on there being an increase in population so that health and pensions can be financed to increasingly long lived population.

Probably a Catch22 situation as it is education and better health care that led to the increase of lifespan.

And that leads to another political problem, with better education and health care this population sees no need to have high birth rate, so increases in population are met with immigration.

... And better education leads to a lower birthrate as is shown the world over.

Unfortunately, for any political or financial 'crisis': Science, education and the environment are the first to get trashed.

A poorer education and poorer environment are also strong factors that promote a higher birthrate... (To offset the game of (expected) mortality...)


Rather a bad and unholy game...


Can we promote better education and a better environment FOR ALL?

(That also means getting rid of the corruption and pollution...)

All on our only one planet,
Martin

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