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Message 1780169 - Posted: 18 Apr 2016, 19:02:16 UTC

http://theweek.com/articles/618141/big-science-broken
Science is broken.

That's the thesis of a must-read article in First Things magazine, in which William A. Wilson accumulates evidence that a lot of published research is false. But that's not even the worst part.

Advocates of the existing scientific research paradigm usually smugly declare that while some published conclusions are surely false, the scientific method has "self-correcting mechanisms" that ensure that, eventually, the truth will prevail. Unfortunately for all of us, Wilson makes a convincing argument that those self-correcting mechanisms are broken.
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Still, shouldn't the mechanism of independent checking and peer review mean the wheat, eventually, will be sorted from the chaff?

Well, maybe not. There's actually good reason to believe the exact opposite is happening.
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This gets into the question of the sociology of science. It's a familiar bromide that "science advances one funeral at a time." The greatest scientific pioneers were mavericks and weirdos. Most valuable scientific work is done by youngsters. Older scientists are more likely to be invested, both emotionally and from a career and prestige perspective, in the regnant paradigm, even though the spirit of science is the challenge of regnant paradigms.
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All of this suggests that the current system isn't just showing cracks, but is actually broken, and in need of major reform. There is very good reason to believe that much scientific research published today is false, there is no good way to sort the wheat from the chaff, and, most importantly, that the way the system is designed ensures that this will continue being the case.
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Science, at heart an enterprise for mavericks, has become an enterprise for careerists.

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Message 1780174 - Posted: 18 Apr 2016, 19:29:22 UTC

Gooblly gook Gary ..

More likely there worried the population will panic if they know how bad it really is ..

2 more sun cycles aprox 22-30 years or less

The sudden outage at the NSIDC is very sus !!
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Message 1780202 - Posted: 18 Apr 2016, 22:28:53 UTC - in response to Message 1780188.  

Appears to be a very terrible problem.

It just reflects the human condition, don't bite the hand that feeds you.
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Message 1780283 - Posted: 19 Apr 2016, 5:40:38 UTC

Well Well Well. DR HO HUM's Career is VeryVeryVery Stable Indeed. No Worries from Career Aphixiation Here. Da mO CO2 Da Better.

Sham Science has Made All Careerists such Stiffs. When da DRUM DRUM goes Beat Beat, dey Stay Welded to One Spot.
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Message 1780376 - Posted: 19 Apr 2016, 11:17:24 UTC - in response to Message 1780169.  
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http://theweek.com/articles/618141/big-science-broken
Science is broken...


Rather curious timing and a suspicious Marketing connection?...

That is hot on the tail of the WONDERFUL hyper-being of Sarah Palin who supposedly now has world-wide credentials that outshine all of Science:


Climate change denier Sarah Palin: 'Bill Nye is as much a scientist as I am'

Of all the causes Sarah Palin has embraced in her varied career as hockey mom, Alaska governor, Republican vice-presidential nominee, Fox television commentator and Donald Trump supporter, none perhaps may be as bold or – as she still likes to say, “rogue” – as trying to take down a much-beloved children’s television personality: Bill Nye the Science Guy.

But that was where hardcore climate change denial landed Palin...

... The occasion was the premiere for the Climate Hustle, a film that dismisses global warming as an excuse for government takeover and makes the outrageously false claim that rising carbon emissions are beneficial.

But the real mission for Palin and the makers of the movie – in addition to airing various conspiracy theories – was to register the continued existence of a small but still powerful fringe, even as the rest of the world accelerates its efforts to fight climate change.

On a day when the World Bank president and ministers from Canada, France and Morocco urged governments to step up their commitments to fight climate change, there was a strong whiff of desperation to Palin’s efforts...



All just to promote a film and trash our only one planet?

Phew! Get real?!!


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Message 1780386 - Posted: 19 Apr 2016, 11:51:55 UTC

Martin, where have you been when people with linux probs are asking for help elsewhere?

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Message 1782752 - Posted: 27 Apr 2016, 1:17:06 UTC

Co2 levels increasing 100 times faster then at the last ice age


2005 - 2014

2.11 ppm per year


1995 - 2004

1.87 ppm per year


1985 - 1994

1.42 ppm per year


1975 - 1984

1.44 ppm per year


1965 - 1974

1.06 ppm per year


1959 - 1964
(6 years only)

0.73 ppm per year

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Message 1782758 - Posted: 27 Apr 2016, 1:34:15 UTC - in response to Message 1782752.  
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Co2 levels increasing 100 times faster then at the last ice age

1. Which means that the global temperature will rise.
2. That means the oceans gets warmer.
3. And that means that the water content in the atmosphere gets higher.
4. Water is a greenhouse gas that is worse than CO2.
5. Iterate 1.
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Message 1782773 - Posted: 27 Apr 2016, 1:58:37 UTC - in response to Message 1780283.  

Da mO CO2 Da Better

Dull when CO2 gets rain carbonic acid is produced which does dissolves rocks. You will melt.
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Message 1784438 - Posted: 3 May 2016, 6:38:37 UTC
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Recent improvement and projected worsening of weather in the United States

Our results have implications for the public’s understanding of the climate change problem, which is shaped in part by experiences with local weather. Whereas weather patterns in recent decades have served as a poor source of motivation for Americans to demand a policy response to climate change, public concern may rise once people’s everyday experiences of climate change effects start to become less pleasant.

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Message 1786718 - Posted: 11 May 2016, 14:52:43 UTC

The climate change generation gap

A record number of Americans now view global warming as a serious threat and blame human activities as the cause. But there is apparently a generation gap out there when it comes to accepting the scientific evidence. And an ethnic gap, a gender gap, and a gap in political leaning—along with whether one can be considered one of society’s “haves” or “have nots.”

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Message 1788003 - Posted: 16 May 2016, 22:30:23 UTC

Warning warning America El-Nino finishing and we are going straight to a La- Nina witch means drought for America

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/la-ni%C3%B1a-coming-deep-pool-cool-water-making-its-way-across-tropical
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Message 1789165 - Posted: 21 May 2016, 4:57:00 UTC
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Daily sea ice extent updates resume with provisional data

Here is the Link

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

Currently the sea ice extent is now below 12 million square klm

In 2012 sea ice extent was still over 13.2 million square klm

2012 was a Record melt at the North Pole , lowest level reached was 3.368 million square klm how low will this year be ??????????????will there still be a North Pole this year

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/

This is the link to allow you to compare year on year max and minimums
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Message 1789223 - Posted: 21 May 2016, 12:56:54 UTC - in response to Message 1789165.  

2012 was a Record melt at the North Pole , lowest level reached was 3.368 million square klm how low will this year be ??????????????will there still be a North Pole this year

After 2012, the polar ice has actually grown both in extent and thickness according to an article in Nature.
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v8/n8/full/ngeo2489.html
The same is not true for the worlds glaciers.
They have lost 40 percent of its ice the last thirty years.
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Message 1789237 - Posted: 21 May 2016, 13:35:39 UTC - in response to Message 1789227.  
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Reversible?

Yes. We only have to wait for the next Ice Age...
Don't hold your breath.

In the meantime Greenland has become Grayland!
https://translate.google.se/translate?hl=sv&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fklimathotet.aftonbladet.se%2Fchapter%2Fgronland-blev-graland%2F
The Jakobshavns glacier's speed has increased dramatically in the new millennium. The kilometer-thick ice moves now 1.5 meters per hour - so fast that you can perceive the motion with the naked eye.
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Message 1789269 - Posted: 21 May 2016, 15:20:25 UTC - in response to Message 1789223.  

After 2012, the polar ice has actually grown both in extent and thickness according to an article in Nature


Jann the Article was published in july 2015 if you look at the graph (the link I put up at the bottom of the post ) it will show you that in 2013 - 2015 the sea ice did increase .

However this year there has been a dramatic drop and is now less than at any other time . I am expecting the low to be very low possibly down to 2 - 2.8 million square KLM's or less .

The El-Nino and the fact that during winter there was a high concentration of Co2 , 405 ppm .Over the North pole keeping temps higher than they should have been . The Co2 should have been much lower at that time of the year . Think of the Co2 being a big cloud that rolled over the North Pole and that was picked up and shown in a graph I was looking at . It could have been at the NSIDC web site seeing as I check it every few days .
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Message 1789290 - Posted: 21 May 2016, 16:21:46 UTC - in response to Message 1789269.  

After 2012, the polar ice has actually grown both in extent and thickness according to an article in Nature


Jann the Article was published in july 2015 if you look at the graph (the link I put up at the bottom of the post ) it will show you that in 2013 - 2015 the sea ice did increase .

However this year there has been a dramatic drop and is now less than at any other time . I am expecting the low to be very low possibly down to 2 - 2.8 million square KLM's or less .

The El-Nino and the fact that during winter there was a high concentration of Co2 , 405 ppm .Over the North pole keeping temps higher than they should have been . The Co2 should have been much lower at that time of the year . Think of the Co2 being a big cloud that rolled over the North Pole and that was picked up and shown in a graph I was looking at . It could have been at the NSIDC web site seeing as I check it every few days .

Glenn. I and perhaps many others are confused over the fact that the polar ice increases even when the temperatures are rising.
Especially when there are now some temperatures readings from the water below the ice that is now more than 1 degree celcius.
My guess is that we will see a more rapid melting in just a few couples of years.
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Message 1789292 - Posted: 21 May 2016, 16:23:13 UTC - in response to Message 1789227.  

The same is not true for the worlds glaciers.
They have lost 40 percent of its ice the last thirty years.

Reversible?

Or do have to prepare, starting immediately, with the consequences?

Clyde since you live in Florida you should brush up on your swimming skills.
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Message 1789364 - Posted: 21 May 2016, 23:44:32 UTC - in response to Message 1789351.  

The same is not true for the worlds glaciers.
They have lost 40 percent of its ice the last thirty years.

Reversible?

Or do have to prepare, starting immediately, with the consequences?

Clyde since you live in Florida you should brush up on your swimming skills.

All should understand the 'consequences' that are coming, and prepare.

Bought a 'summer house' in the Kentucky Mountains.

Price's should increase quickly.

Hmmm. Moving to Kentucky from Florida that is also a place exposed to the global change in climate...
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Message 1789372 - Posted: 22 May 2016, 1:30:30 UTC - in response to Message 1789368.  
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The future in Tropical Scandinavia, will probably be more pleasant.

Yes. The future of Tropical Scandinavia is not far away:)
But the dark winter months here are really depressing.
Now we don't even have snow thats lighten up the countryside.

However now springtime is here, perhaps a month earlier than it used to be.
It's now dawn here and walking my dog is a real treat.
Birds are tweeting and lots of flowers that you can smell.
What A Wonderful World:)
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