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janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
"financial/markets policy" means a constant growth of economy. For how long when we live on a planet with a finite amount of Resources? I guess all know the answer. We have already passed the tipping Point... |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
"financial/markets policy" means a constant growth of economy. If we did the right thing we could grow we just have to think better we can generate enough power without coal we just don't have the wind and solar plants at the moment And we waste to much . Food is a good example |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
And we waste to much . Food is a good example Indeed 25% of food is wasted... Think about it. If we reduce food waste to lets say 10%. Thats a VERY big change to the environment that our grand Children is about to live in. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Oceans... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Yes when it's getting warmer the Oceans eco system will be............. Access to Potable Water will be...... |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Oceans... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Desalination Plants ......Much Brine , up to 20% back flush to clean filters . currents may change as salt level's in the ocean changes |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
currents may change as salt level's in the ocean changes Yes the Gulf stream can shift its way. If that happens I'm out of here!!!! |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30646 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Ah, for our resident Earth will be Venus screamer, a datum: Venus 965,000 PPM CO2 Earth 000,400 PPM CO2 Earth's known maximum 007,000 PPM CO2 |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Ice retreat The IMO is the United Nations agency with responsibility for the safety and security of shipping and the prevention of marine pollution by ships. A spokesperson for the IMO said many of the things not specifically addressed in the Polar Code are addressed, or will be addressed, by other measures. The Arctic is the fastest warming region of the planet. If the polar ice retreats it could speed up the rise in global temperatures and change the world's weather patterns. It could also open up a faster route for commercial cargo ships between Europe and Asia, and boost trade in ports in Arctic countries such as Russia, Norway and Canada. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20283 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
...The Arctic is the fastest warming region of the planet. Meanwhile, we have: Fossil fuels subsidised by $10m a minute, says IMF ‘Shocking’ revelation finds $5.3tn subsidy estimate for 2015 is greater than the total health spending of all the world’s governments... ... even the IMF’s vast subsidy figure was a significant underestimate: “A more complete estimate of the costs due to climate change would show the implicit subsidies for fossil fuels are much bigger even than this report suggests.â€... ... “If we get the pricing of fossil fuels right, the argument for subsidies for renewable energy will disappear. Renewable energy would all of a sudden become a much more attractive option.â€... 'Paddle in Seattle' Arctic oil drilling protest Hundreds of people in kayaks and small boats have staged a protest in the north-western US port city of Seattle against oil drilling in the Arctic by the Shell energy giant... ... "Science is as clear as day when it comes to drilling in the Arctic - the only safe place for these dirty fuels is in the ground."... Why India’s government is targeting Greenpeace ... Meanwhile India's CO2 emissions are forecast to rise rapidly. According to the International Energy Agency, India is set to double its coal consumption by 2035 and become the world's largest coal importer by around 2020. Almost half of the 1,200 new coal-fired power stations proposed around the world are in India according to the World Resources Institute. That's why campaigning against the coal industry in India has been a priority for Greenpeace. The charity's campaigns have stopped coal mining in some of India's forest areas... All a balance of corruption for the few at the expense of all of us all?... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20283 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
What does it financially cost to destroy our planet?... How much is the sea worth? If the world's seas and oceans were a national economy, how much would they be worth?... ... is monetary value really the best way to measure nature's importance to the planet, and the environment that sustains us? All a balance of corruption for the few at the expense of all of us all?... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20283 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
How dirty can dirty Fossil Fuels get?... Try this for taste? Peabody Energy exploited Ebola crisis for corporate gain, say health experts ... Public health experts involved in the response to the Ebola crisis have condemned what they described as a ludicrous, insulting and opportunistic attempt to exploit the disease for corporate gain by the world’s largest privately-held coal company. As part of a PR offensive to rebrand coal as a “21st-century fuel†that can help solve global poverty, it has emerged that at the height of Ebola’s impact in Africa, Peabody Energy promoted its product as an answer to Africa’s devastating public health crisis... Indeed outrageous!... Peddling destructive pollution on the back of death and despair?... Only in the desperate depravity of Fossil Fuels! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30646 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Indeed outrageous!... Peddling destructive pollution on the back of death and despair?... What part of fiduciary duty to the shareholder don't you understand? |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Indeed outrageous!... Peddling destructive pollution on the back of death and despair?... I think we do understand what it is Gary but i would say Peebody don't . Is it also not part of fiduciary duty to not bring bad press or put your company name into disrepute ?? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30646 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Indeed outrageous!... Peddling destructive pollution on the back of death and despair?... Only if it costs more in profit than is gained. Again, what part of fiduciary duty to the shareholder don't you understand? |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Indeed outrageous!... Peddling destructive pollution on the back of death and despair?... Is it not Fiduciary duty to do risk accessment !! which they did not do otherwise they would have relize'd it was a bad move that has produced no extra profits , so where is they fiduciary duty to the shareholders with this policy , there wasn't any . Next you'll tell me that what Union Carbide did was also Fiduciary duty to not maintain the chemical plant as it was cheaper not to worry about it . Part of Fiduciary duty is to not damage the company reputation why because if you don't you run a big risk of seriouly damaging the company . |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
In the Corporate world Fiduciary Duty is a license for psychopaths to do I would say that is just greed not fiduciary duty . |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30646 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Glenn, you are assuming 100% ability to predict the future. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
No Gary good business practice is good business , what Peebody try'd to do was just bad business practice and greed even thou it's the norm it doesn't mean it's correct . Shell , Union carbide , Exxon where all caused not because of fidiuary duty but greed and look what has happen'd to Union carbide oh that company is no longer around . Shell has had to pay billions , and so has Exxon so where was there duty to there shareholders , umm there wasn't any they only thought about there own bonuses and not the company's |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30646 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
No Glenn it is about predicting the future. You seem to think that India, majority owner of the plant in Bophal wanted the leak. When you perform any process, even airbags, or tuna canning there is always some way for it to foul up. You hope you find all ways that can happen. But idiot employees are more ingenious than smart engineers are at preventing screwups. That is predicting the future, risk management. You know there will be problems. You buy insurance. You have governments set liability limits so you can continue to operate. When you work on an industrial scale, accidents are industrial scale. In essence you are arguing that no process can be bigger than a test tube. Oh, you might like to know that Union Carbide still is around. Dow chemical is the owner. If you want some other examples, Chernobyl, Three Mile Island and Fukushima come to mind. Humans are very bad at risk management or prognosticating the future. An example of pure greed might be Countrywide. There they knew what they were doing would backfire, they bet they could get out before they got burned. |
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