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Message 1672348 - Posted: 1 May 2015, 1:09:56 UTC

"financial/markets policy" means a constant growth of economy.
For how long when we live on a planet with a finite amount of Resources?
I guess all know the answer.
We have already passed the tipping Point...
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Message 1672355 - Posted: 1 May 2015, 1:22:55 UTC - in response to Message 1672348.  

"financial/markets policy" means a constant growth of economy.


If we did the right thing we could grow we just have to think better we can generate enough power without coal we just don't have the wind and solar plants at the moment

And we waste to much . Food is a good example
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Message 1672364 - Posted: 1 May 2015, 1:37:07 UTC - in response to Message 1672355.  

And we waste to much . Food is a good example

Indeed 25% of food is wasted...
Think about it. If we reduce food waste to lets say 10%.
Thats a VERY big change to the environment that our grand Children is about to live in.
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Message 1672367 - Posted: 1 May 2015, 1:40:10 UTC - in response to Message 1672351.  

Oceans... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Potable Water... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Yes when it's getting warmer the Oceans eco system will be.............
Access to Potable Water will be......
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Message 1672381 - Posted: 1 May 2015, 2:16:12 UTC - in response to Message 1672367.  

Oceans... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Potable Water... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Yes when it's getting warmer the Oceans eco system will be.............
Access to Potable Water will be......


Desalination Plants ......Much Brine , up to 20% back flush to clean filters .

currents may change as salt level's in the ocean changes
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Message 1672393 - Posted: 1 May 2015, 2:50:51 UTC - in response to Message 1672381.  
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currents may change as salt level's in the ocean changes

Yes the Gulf stream can shift its way.
If that happens I'm out of here!!!!
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Message 1673031 - Posted: 2 May 2015, 14:25:36 UTC

'Clyde' Not His Real Name said:
We must, for our survival, replace the Left Wing Leadership of The Green Movement, with Practical, Non-Left Wing Agenda, People.


Dr. HOHUM could Not have said 'it' Better. Total Lava Rockin' TRUTH with Above Quote by The Real 'Brainiac' in 'Politics'.

HOHUM. Da Left-'Progressive' 'Green' 'Movement' LIMPs Along, LOSING 'its' Way and NEVER to Recover.

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Message 1673141 - Posted: 2 May 2015, 20:10:59 UTC

Ah, for our resident Earth will be Venus screamer, a datum:
Venus 965,000 PPM CO2
Earth 000,400 PPM CO2
Earth's known maximum 007,000 PPM CO2
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Message 1680527 - Posted: 16 May 2015, 19:09:30 UTC
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Ice retreat

The IMO is the United Nations agency with responsibility for the safety and security of shipping and the prevention of marine pollution by ships.
A spokesperson for the IMO said many of the things not specifically addressed in the Polar Code are addressed, or will be addressed, by other measures.

The Arctic is the fastest warming region of the planet.

If the polar ice retreats it could speed up the rise in global temperatures and change the world's weather patterns.
It could also open up a faster route for commercial cargo ships between Europe and Asia, and boost trade in ports in Arctic countries such as Russia, Norway and Canada.
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Message 1681281 - Posted: 19 May 2015, 0:52:32 UTC - in response to Message 1680527.  
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...The Arctic is the fastest warming region of the planet.
If the polar ice retreats it could speed up the rise in global temperatures and change the world's weather patterns...[/b]

Meanwhile, we have:


Fossil fuels subsidised by $10m a minute, says IMF

‘Shocking’ revelation finds $5.3tn subsidy estimate for 2015 is greater than the total health spending of all the world’s governments...

... even the IMF’s vast subsidy figure was a significant underestimate: “A more complete estimate of the costs due to climate change would show the implicit subsidies for fossil fuels are much bigger even than this report suggests.”...

... “If we get the pricing of fossil fuels right, the argument for subsidies for renewable energy will disappear. Renewable energy would all of a sudden become a much more attractive option.”...



'Paddle in Seattle' Arctic oil drilling protest

Hundreds of people in kayaks and small boats have staged a protest in the north-western US port city of Seattle against oil drilling in the Arctic by the Shell energy giant...

... "Science is as clear as day when it comes to drilling in the Arctic - the only safe place for these dirty fuels is in the ground."...



Why India’s government is targeting Greenpeace

... Meanwhile India's CO2 emissions are forecast to rise rapidly.

According to the International Energy Agency, India is set to double its coal consumption by 2035 and become the world's largest coal importer by around 2020.

Almost half of the 1,200 new coal-fired power stations proposed around the world are in India according to the World Resources Institute.

That's why campaigning against the coal industry in India has been a priority for Greenpeace. The charity's campaigns have stopped coal mining in some of India's forest areas...



All a balance of corruption for the few at the expense of all of us all?...

All on our only one planet,
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Message 1681435 - Posted: 19 May 2015, 10:42:18 UTC

What does it financially cost to destroy our planet?...


How much is the sea worth?

If the world's seas and oceans were a national economy, how much would they be worth?...

... is monetary value really the best way to measure nature's importance to the planet, and the environment that sustains us?





All a balance of corruption for the few at the expense of all of us all?...

All on our only one planet,
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Message 1681583 - Posted: 19 May 2015, 23:35:56 UTC
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How dirty can dirty Fossil Fuels get?...


Try this for taste?


Peabody Energy exploited Ebola crisis for corporate gain, say health experts

... Public health experts involved in the response to the Ebola crisis have condemned what they described as a ludicrous, insulting and opportunistic attempt to exploit the disease for corporate gain by the world’s largest privately-held coal company.

As part of a PR offensive to rebrand coal as a “21st-century fuel” that can help solve global poverty, it has emerged that at the height of Ebola’s impact in Africa, Peabody Energy promoted its product as an answer to Africa’s devastating public health crisis...



Indeed outrageous!... Peddling destructive pollution on the back of death and despair?...


Only in the desperate depravity of Fossil Fuels!
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Message 1681635 - Posted: 20 May 2015, 3:57:16 UTC - in response to Message 1681583.  

Indeed outrageous!... Peddling destructive pollution on the back of death and despair?...

What part of fiduciary duty to the shareholder don't you understand?
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Message 1681639 - Posted: 20 May 2015, 4:09:17 UTC - in response to Message 1681635.  

Indeed outrageous!... Peddling destructive pollution on the back of death and despair?...

What part of fiduciary duty to the shareholder don't you understand?


I think we do understand what it is Gary but i would say Peebody don't .

Is it also not part of fiduciary duty to not bring bad press or put your company name into disrepute ??
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Message 1681664 - Posted: 20 May 2015, 6:02:19 UTC - in response to Message 1681639.  

Indeed outrageous!... Peddling destructive pollution on the back of death and despair?...

What part of fiduciary duty to the shareholder don't you understand?


I think we do understand what it is Gary but i would say Peebody don't .

Is it also not part of fiduciary duty to not bring bad press or put your company name into disrepute ??

Only if it costs more in profit than is gained. Again, what part of fiduciary duty to the shareholder don't you understand?
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Message 1681669 - Posted: 20 May 2015, 6:42:36 UTC - in response to Message 1681664.  

Indeed outrageous!... Peddling destructive pollution on the back of death and despair?...

What part of fiduciary duty to the shareholder don't you understand?


I think we do understand what it is Gary but i would say Peebody don't .

Is it also not part of fiduciary duty to not bring bad press or put your company name into disrepute ??

Only if it costs more in profit than is gained. Again, what part of fiduciary duty to the shareholder don't you understand?


Is it not Fiduciary duty to do risk accessment !! which they did not do otherwise they would have relize'd it was a bad move that has produced no extra profits , so where is they fiduciary duty to the shareholders with this policy , there wasn't any .

Next you'll tell me that what Union Carbide did was also Fiduciary duty to not maintain the chemical plant as it was cheaper not to worry about it .

Part of Fiduciary duty is to not damage the company reputation why because if you don't you run a big risk of seriouly damaging the company .
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Message 1681696 - Posted: 20 May 2015, 7:59:31 UTC - in response to Message 1681689.  

In the Corporate world Fiduciary Duty is a license for psychopaths to do
anything that gets them the biggest bonus for that year.
Failure to full-fill that duty usually means they lose their job and collect a Golden Parachute.


I would say that is just greed not fiduciary duty .
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Message 1681765 - Posted: 20 May 2015, 13:47:20 UTC - in response to Message 1681669.  

Glenn, you are assuming 100% ability to predict the future.
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Message 1681768 - Posted: 20 May 2015, 13:58:19 UTC - in response to Message 1681765.  

No Gary good business practice is good business , what Peebody try'd to do was just bad business practice and greed even thou it's the norm it doesn't mean it's correct .
Shell , Union carbide , Exxon where all caused not because of fidiuary duty but greed and look what has happen'd to Union carbide oh that company is no longer around . Shell has had to pay billions , and so has Exxon so where was there duty to there shareholders , umm there wasn't any they only thought about there own bonuses and not the company's
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Message 1681787 - Posted: 20 May 2015, 15:49:01 UTC - in response to Message 1681768.  

No Glenn it is about predicting the future.

You seem to think that India, majority owner of the plant in Bophal wanted the leak. When you perform any process, even airbags, or tuna canning there is always some way for it to foul up. You hope you find all ways that can happen. But idiot employees are more ingenious than smart engineers are at preventing screwups. That is predicting the future, risk management. You know there will be problems. You buy insurance. You have governments set liability limits so you can continue to operate. When you work on an industrial scale, accidents are industrial scale. In essence you are arguing that no process can be bigger than a test tube.

Oh, you might like to know that Union Carbide still is around. Dow chemical is the owner.

If you want some other examples, Chernobyl, Three Mile Island and Fukushima come to mind.

Humans are very bad at risk management or prognosticating the future.

An example of pure greed might be Countrywide. There they knew what they were doing would backfire, they bet they could get out before they got burned.
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