Now if your talking about the english version whitch i could not tell straight away then Murdoch does not own that or at least that is what wiki says .

The Daily Telegraph is a daily morning UK English language broadsheet newspaper, published in London by Telegraph Media Group and distributed throughout the United Kingdom and internationally. The newspaper was founded by Arthur B. Sleigh in June 1855 as The Daily Telegraph and Courier, and since 2004 has been owned by David and Frederick Barclay. It had a daily circulation of 523,048 in March 2014,[3] down from 552,065 in early 2013.[4] In comparison, The Times had an average daily circulation of 400,060,[4] down to 394,448.[5]

And is quiet understandably mixed up seeing as there has been a Australian version of the same named paper .

want to try a 3rd round hehehehehe 2-0 to me

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There are "Lies, damned lies, and statistics".
Thanks Mark Twain:)

Nothing Clyde they may be interesting but when you take into coun't the satilte info is not accurate enough and that the land based ones can have errors , AKA : equipment breaking down and such .

That is why they have to use statictical means , maths!!! to smooth them over the trends are still there the temps are going up .

I put it to you that because Governments do actually know that the real problem is not temps but Co2 and may actually be trying to make it sound worse to get the changes they need .

There is a lot of politics in this as at the end of the day it's the voters that will decide what will need to happen and therefore you have the 2 sides trying to outdo the other .

Those that wish to make the changes and those that can only see the money .

Who's going to win . In the end if there is no clear winner we all lose !remember I keep telling you all there is at best 72 years before it won't matter what we do it will be to late , back to the trees we start our march.

And that is only if we don't blow the whole world up with wars . The effect of to high a Co2 level is your can't think and start to make extreamly bad choices , will war be the end as we forget M.A.D !!!!

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Climate Change, 'Greenhouse' effects and Politics: DENIAL

I do acknowledge that what you say in regards of statistics is correct , but it is acceptable maths . I don't have to be a mathematician to understand it . Just like I don't have to be a engineer to accept that they get it right . That is what (gowd I hate these words ) peer review is for .

Do you accept that higher Co2 has been proven to increase temps in the Lab ?

By defending the idea there that Temps are not going up or won't go up if the Co2 continues to go up by definition you are a denier of the problems of a higher Co2

If the Temp where not going up why is the north pole melting ?

I don't need maths to understand that I can see it in the satilite pictures.

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Ah, just like accepting the maths and science behind GMO and pink slime as being correct.

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Ah, just like accepting the maths and science behind GMO and pink slime as being correct.

wouldn't know don't care . the slime is slime and it's pink if it looks pink who cares unless it is dangerous.

GMO ! ,speak English my good fellow ?

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Just one small commercial concern for the changing world climate to keep themselves in virgin packaging material:


Apple will cut down 36,000 acres of forest in 'conservation scheme'

Woodlands to provide ALL of Apple's packaging needs

Apple has purchased more than 36,000 acres of forestland to supply timber for its paper and pulp mills, and is describing the venture as part of a “conservationist scheme”.

"Apple is focused on using only the resources it needs,"...


So... Good Marketing spin there to reserve their own virgin trees rather than sully their packaging with recycling...

All a game of business... Sustainable?...


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Just one small commercial concern for the changing world climate to keep themselves in virgin packaging material:
Apple will cut down 36,000 acres of forest in 'conservation scheme'
"Apple is focused on using only the resources it needs,"...
So... Good Marketing spin there to reserve their own virgin trees rather than sully their packaging with recycling...
All a game of business... Sustainable?...

The story told in a bit differrent way...
The Conservation Fund partners with Apple to protect US working forests to ensure steady supply of sustainably harvested timber to pulp and paper mills.
http://ppimagazine.com/environment/north-america/conservation-fund-partners-apple-protect-us-working-forests-ensure-steady-supply-sustainably-harvested-timber-pulp-and-paper-mills

Real Problem: Population.
Real Solution: Vast reduction of population.

Half of the Worlds population lives in China, India and South East Asia.
Of the 44 countries with 90 percent of the world's forests, the country that has the fastest deforestation is Indonesia. The country lost 1.8 million hectares of forest between 2000-2005, which means that 2 percent of the remaining forest disappear every year, or 51 square kilometers of forest are destroyed every day.
Indonesia's record rapid deforestation also makes the country the third largest contributor to greenhouse gas emissions after the United States and China.
Up to 25 percent of greenhouse gases come from the clearing of tropical forests.
http://wwf.panda.org/about_our_earth/deforestation/deforestation_causes/illegal_logging/

Gorilla?

Just one small commercial concern for the changing world climate to keep themselves in virgin packaging material:
Apple will cut down 36,000 acres of forest in 'conservation scheme'
"Apple is focused on using only the resources it needs,"...
So... Good Marketing spin there to reserve their own virgin trees rather than sully their packaging with recycling...
All a game of business... Sustainable?...

The story told in a bit differrent way...
The Conservation Fund partners with Apple to protect US working forests to ensure steady supply of sustainably harvested timber to pulp and paper mills.
http://ppimagazine.com/environment/north-america/conservation-fund-partners-apple-protect-us-working-forests-ensure-steady-supply-sustainably-harvested-timber-pulp-and-paper-mills

With Martin's innate hate of Apple, even green news has to be put into a bad light.

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Just one small commercial concern for the changing world climate to keep themselves in virgin packaging material:
Apple will cut down 36,000 acres of forest in 'conservation scheme'
"Apple is focused on using only the resources it needs,"...
So... Good Marketing spin there to reserve their own virgin trees rather than sully their packaging with recycling...
All a game of business... Sustainable?...

The story told in a bit differrent way...
The Conservation Fund partners with Apple to protect US working forests to ensure steady supply of sustainably harvested timber to pulp and paper mills.
http://ppimagazine.com/environment/north-america/conservation-fund-partners-apple-protect-us-working-forests-ensure-steady-supply-sustainably-harvested-timber-pulp-and-paper-mills

With Martin's innate hate of Apple, even green news has to be put into a bad light.

No hate there at all...

The question/note/message is why "reserve" a vast tract of virgin forest for the sake of excessive packaging when with a little more care and imagination:

1: USE LESS PACKAGING;

2: Use recycled materials for minimal packaging.

Is the present excess of packaging (of which Apple is just one example) yet another game of Marketing to needlessly trash our planet at all cost?...


All on our only one planet,
Martin

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1: USE LESS PACKAGING;

2: Use recycled materials for minimal packaging.

Do you have any evidence that isn't being done?

Lacking that, it appears as if the comment about your motive is correct.

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1: USE LESS PACKAGING;
2: Use recycled materials for minimal packaging.

Is the present excess of packaging (of which Apple is just one example) yet another game of Marketing to needlessly trash our planet at all cost?...

The world are already using 50% recycled paper. Some countries more than others. Virgin wood is needed if you want to make paper but cardboard and newspapers doesn't.
However why does so many electrical companies use so much packaging?
Every piece are contained in plastics...
I remember when toothpaste was in a small cardboard. Not anymore.

Except for the 800 pound Gorilla.

Programs like birth control ! and life stile chooses . Most Developed economy's have a negative population growth and rely on immigration to help keep it at a sustainable level .

The aging population is often used in politic's .

Consume till there is nothing left just doesn't work and economy's are built on exactly that .

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... The few 'successful' eras, in History. Have all collapsed. Usually within a short period of time.

They were populated by persons, who really belived their success would continue. It didn't.

The present era my last another 20, 40, 70, 100, 125 years. But as History's Time Line shows: Probably not much more.

The collapse, as always, will be horrendous to the survivors.

And each of those occasions were precipitated by invasion or climate change or some combination of both...


Each time we should learn... There is no need to fatally continue in the same way.

Except that politics and blind greed and corruption remain the same?...


The race is on between education and population stabilization and sustainability before we hit the next pestilence of our own making.

All on our only one planet,
Martin

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... I was noting just one - Hubris- of the Leadership and Population, regarding their civilization.

And part of the hubris is the unsustainable 'perpetual growth' demanded by current financial/markets policy...

And of the ever increasing burden of taxes and bureaucracy...


Until we all go the way of Byzantium?...

All a game of politics and Marketing...



And for one latest crass example of corrupt lobbying:


Conservative thinktank seeks to change Pope Francis's mind on climate change

A US activist group that has received funding from energy companies and the foundation controlled by conservative activist Charles Koch is trying to persuade the Vatican that “there is no global warming crisis” ahead of an environmental statement by Pope Francis this summer that is expected to call for strong action to combat climate change.

The Heartland Institute...




So how best to curb death and destruction by politics and Marketing?

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Martin

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Nothing has changed. It is just the 'Human Condition'. Nothing to do with present day "financial/markets policy".
The Foundation is the same. It is only the Houses Erected, upon the Same Foundation, which are different.

Constantinople Founded: May 11, 330 AD, Population: 5 millions (1282)
Byzans "financial/markets policy" are very much like London today.

Nothing has changed. It is just the 'Human Condition'. Nothing to do with present day "financial/markets policy".
The Foundation is the same. It is only the Houses Erected, upon the Same Foundation, which are different.

Constantinople Founded: May 11, 330 AD, Population: 5 millions (1282)
Byzans "financial/markets policy" are very much like London today.

Have we learnt nothing positive politically and financially since those days?...


For a recent selection of corrupt silliness against our own world:


Shell and BP alone eclipse renewable energy sector on access to ministers

Fossil fuel companies enjoy far greater access to UK government ministers than renewable energy companies or climate campaigns, an analysis by the Guardian has revealed...

... The pair of oil and gas giants also secured more than twice as many meetings with ministers as two of their most well-known adversaries, Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth...

... been struck by the firms that want to start fracking: “I was just amazed at their sense of entitlement. They thought the government was there to ease their way, not to strike a balance with public concerns.”

Senior figures in the renewable industry said they had difficulty securing face-to-face meetings with ministers. One senior person in the renewables industry also described how ministers seemed indifferent to an overseas renewables company that was offering to invest a substantial sum in Britain. “You’d think that would be welcomed, but there was no sign of a red carpet, let alone a cup of coffee...


Heartland Institute takes climate foolishness to a Biblical level

I just received a notice that made me laugh. The Heartland Institute, one of the groups responsible for misleading the public about climate change, sent out a notice about an upcoming Papal event...

... Of course, this is all bad news for those who are trying to sweep the problem of climate change under the rug. That brings us to the Heartland Institute. They are asking their members and readers to tell the Pope that climate change is not a crisis...


US drought takes its toll on clean energy production

As Lake Mead shrinks, the Hoover Dam has been trying to avoid ‘dead pool’ status – the point at which hydropower can no longer be generated...


Changes in water vapor and clouds are amplifying global warming

... By subtracting one energy flow from the other, they found what is called the Earth’s energy imbalance. Most studies show that the energy imbalance is in the range of 0.5 to 1 Watt per square meter of surface area, which is causing ongoing global warming.

What the authors then asked is, how does this imbalance change? It turns out, the imbalance changes a lot over time. On a monthly basis the balance might change 1 Watt per square meter of surface area. The changes are caused principally by changes to clouds and water vapor, and other short-term weather patterns. Clouds have the ability to reflect sunlight back to space; however, clouds also have the ability to trap more heat within the Earth’s atmosphere. So, short-term fluctuations in clouds have large impacts on the net rate of heat gain by the Earth...

... What the present paper shows is that future changes to clouds will cause slightly more warming. Scientists describe clouds as a “positive feedback” on global warming. This finding is consistent with the work of Dr. Andrew Dessler. He had published work here and here showing changes in clouds are making the Earth warm more than otherwise expected...


Climate campaigners losing faith in value of engaging with fossil fuel firms

As the divestment campaign gathers pace, those in favour argue that investor pressure is ‘useless’ as an effective means for industry reform...

It’s been 23 years since investor activists first tried to get the oil business to face up to the risks of climate change. Progress has been painfully slow and gains have been few. Now many campaigners have concluded that engagement is not delivering anywhere near fast enough: it is time to sever ties with fossil fuel companies.

“Engagement is useless,”...


Ipso proves impotent at curbing the Mail's climate misinformation

David Rose is a writer for the UK tabloid Mail on Sunday, and is known for his inaccurate and misleading climate change coverage. Rose is particularly fond of cherry picking data to hide the rapid decline in Arctic sea ice...

... On each point, Ward was correct that Rose’s piece is at best misleading, and often factually incorrect. Nevertheless, yesterday Ipso ruled in favor of Rose and the Mail...



All a game of denial unto death and biblical destruction?

All on our only one world...
Martin

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Byzans "financial/markets policy" are very much like London today.

look to Venice for today's finaical market ways .

Only back then there was some Honer , could not charge compound interest only a fee .

Still we don't learn ..greeed

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