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Message 1655404 - Posted: 21 Mar 2015, 15:42:02 UTC - in response to Message 1654989.  


If a storm slammed into Florida before the White Man came, no matter how often or how violent, that has not made it into White Man's history books.


ok no worry's there wasn't tree's as in there rings which can and has been counted .

and er , I say this without being Raascist , ..... the native people's would not have any idea's about how much has changed with the weather , right !


Glenn, I don't think it was intentional on your part, but that statement appears to me to smack a bit much of that European attitude of superiority aka "The White Man's Burden".

You have shown sensitivity towards the indigenous peoples of Australia. Why you would make this statement about the indigenous peoples of North America escapes me.

Just because they didn't have advanced metallurgy (as in guns and armor) when the Europeans came over doesn't make them inferior in any way. They just developed their culture differently from much of Europe, that is all.

Please try to refrain from making such culturally insensitive statements. There are those that might be offended.


Kong reread it .

I was being sarcastic . Clyde made out that before there was white man only the natives where there and we should not listen and they have nothing to teach us about the weather in there area and why I said I was not being racist with the statement. I was telling Clyde off for once again using a racist statement .

It's why I finished the statement with the word ,right !
So next time i'll put rrriiiggghhhttt so you will tell when I'm being sarcastic
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Message 1655416 - Posted: 21 Mar 2015, 16:07:27 UTC - in response to Message 1655002.  
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... During the 1930's, the Arctic was warmer...

And your reference for that so we can check for what the context is?..

Did post it for Glenn, of course, and he responded.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/ArcticIce/arctic_ice3.php

Look at NASA supplied Graph.

Just asking why, and does it have any meaning for the present discussion...

I'm sure we've had that one before...

It does highlight beautifully the trick of taking selective numbers... The same data can be selectively shown to suggest 'cooling' for that region whereas the full trend is very definitely warming.

There is also no denial possible for the physics of what our industrial pollution is doing to our atmosphere. The only changes of this scale and rapidity ever seen in the history of our planet all involved cataclysm and mass extinction. All natural in the past. Strangely, we are now very unnaturally doing the same unto ourselves!


So... For that particular study and graph... One clue is very suspiciously that "air temperature" is being graphed for that region as opposed to directly showing ice volume...

Still interesting but there is more to that story...


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Message 1655421 - Posted: 21 Mar 2015, 16:14:37 UTC
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All a game of politics and 'cheating' on the World's environment?...


[UK] CO2 cuts claim sees ministers challenged by experts

The UK government’s claim to lead the world in cuts of carbon emissions has been challenged by researchers.

UK emissions are rising overall because current calculations omit pollution from goods imported from countries like China, Leeds University experts say.

But the government says it follows internationally agreed rules on CO2 accounting. The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) is to publish the analysis on its website later.

But the Leeds report’s authors say the UK’s long-term CO2 targets would have to be tightened if Britain took responsibility for the extra emissions stimulated by the demand from British consumers for overseas goods.

The analysis shows that CO2 emissions produced within the UK fell 194 million tonnes in 2012 compared with 1990. But the cuts were outweighed by a rise of 280m tonnes created abroad during the manufacture of goods imported to Britain.

At present, the UK is committed by law to reducing CO2 emissions 80% by 2050 based on 1990 levels...



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Message 1655423 - Posted: 21 Mar 2015, 16:18:19 UTC - in response to Message 1655123.  

go back to living in caves and eating raw meat

Hmm. Raw meat can be fried on black surfaces soon in the future.
Today we can already fry eggs on a black car.
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Message 1655429 - Posted: 21 Mar 2015, 16:27:11 UTC - in response to Message 1655416.  
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There is also no denial possible for the physics of what our industrial pollution is doing to our atmosphere. The only changes of this scale and rapidity ever seen in the history of our planet all involved cataclysm and mass extinction. All natural in the past. Strangely, we are now very unnaturally doing the same unto ourselves!

+something :)
Humans to be first to stop earths fantastic evolution...
Maybe the only one in the our galaxy...

I like your motto. The Future is what We make IT.
IT with both Uppercase and lowercase:)
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Message 1655487 - Posted: 21 Mar 2015, 18:43:21 UTC - in response to Message 1655421.  

All a game of politics and 'cheating' on the World's environment?...


[UK] CO2 cuts claim sees ministers challenged by experts

The UK government’s claim to lead the world in cuts of carbon emissions has been challenged by researchers.

UK emissions are rising overall because current calculations omit pollution from goods imported from countries like China, Leeds University experts say.

So now the same CO2 has to be counted more than once to reach the levels to cause global warming?
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Message 1655518 - Posted: 21 Mar 2015, 20:36:42 UTC

One CO2. Two CO2. Three CO2. Four CO2. Again. One CO2. Two CO2. Three CO2. Four CO2. Again. One CO2. Two CO2. Three CO2. Four CO2. Again. One cO2. Two CO2. Three CO2. Four CO2. Now, Join in Glenn and Others! One CO2. Two CO2. Three CO2. Four CO2. Beat Beat Beat Beat Dat CO2 DRum DRum.

Wraith aka Dr. HOHUM says: When you are Up A Climate Change Scientist's Butt, Their Cultist Followers Behind, and Their Parroting Political Pansies Glutimous Maximus, All You Believe and See is Their 'Shat'.

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Message 1655537 - Posted: 21 Mar 2015, 21:07:43 UTC - in response to Message 1655518.  

One CO2. Two CO2. Three CO2. Four CO2. Again. One CO2. Two CO2. Three CO2. Four CO2. Again. One CO2. Two CO2. Three CO2. Four CO2. Again. One cO2. Two CO2. Three CO2. Four CO2. Now, Join in Glenn and Others! One CO2. Two CO2. Three CO2. Four CO2. Beat Beat Beat Beat Dat CO2 DRum DRum.

Wraith aka Dr. HOHUM says: When you are Up A Climate Change Scientist's Butt, Their Cultist Followers Behind, and Their Parroting Political Pansies Glutimous Maximus, All You Believe and See is Their 'Shat'.
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Sing along:) That's very popular in Scandinavia.
Yep.
One CO2. Two CO2. Three CO2. Four CO2. Again. One CO2. Two CO2. Three CO2. Four CO2. Again. One CO2. Two CO2. Three CO2. Four CO2. Again. One cO2. Two CO2. Three CO2. Four CO2. One CO2. Two CO2. Three CO2. Four CO2. Beat Beat Beat Beat Dat CO2 DRum DRum.
Come on everybody.

That's the lyrics but do you have the Music?

Well Global warming has it's benefits:)
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Message 1655584 - Posted: 21 Mar 2015, 23:06:14 UTC - in response to Message 1655487.  

So now the same CO2 has to be counted more than once to reach the levels to cause global warming?


Gary re read the article . Your being Alarmist all it says is England is not counting the Co2 it is reponsible for in the form of goods made that come into the country .
And seeing as there is carbon pricing in Europe i'm not surprised , reminds me of what Opec country's did back in the 80 when they all of a sudden realised they had more oil than what they said prior to the forming of Opec
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Message 1655609 - Posted: 22 Mar 2015, 0:33:49 UTC - in response to Message 1655607.  
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Clyde I saw this:)
Florida climate scientists have been silenced by their governor and his political appointees. Jeb Bush used to govern Florida and he is a national leader for his party. Urge him to stand up for science today.

I despise the present Governor of Florida. A Right Wing, Corrupt, SOB.
Jeb Bush appears to be an Intelligent 'Middle of The Roader'. As I am, of course.
Let's see what Jeb's response to this insanity is.

And Jeb's brother is?
:):):):)
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Message 1655620 - Posted: 22 Mar 2015, 0:52:21 UTC - in response to Message 1655617.  

Clyde I saw this:)
Florida climate scientists have been silenced by their governor and his political appointees. Jeb Bush used to govern Florida and he is a national leader for his party. Urge him to stand up for science today.

I despise the present Governor of Florida. A Right Wing, Corrupt, SOB.
Jeb Bush appears to be an Intelligent 'Middle of The Roader'. As I am, of course.
Let's see what Jeb's response to this insanity is.

And Jeb's brother is?
:):):):)

This is Jeb's show.

OK. Good luck.
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Message 1655628 - Posted: 22 Mar 2015, 1:41:24 UTC - in response to Message 1655487.  
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All a game of politics and 'cheating' on the World's environment?...


[UK] CO2 cuts claim sees ministers challenged by experts

The UK government’s claim to lead the world in cuts of carbon emissions has been challenged by researchers.

UK emissions are rising overall because current calculations omit pollution from goods imported from countries like China, Leeds University experts say.

So now the same CO2 has to be counted more than once to reach the levels to cause global warming?

I assume the decrease in actual UK emissions, is because in all honesty, from what I have seen, final assembly happens in the UK from components produced in low wage countries. And that's true from small items like CCTV multiplexers and industrial comms equipment to large items like TBM's and longwall mining equipment.

The experts want the carbon figures moved from the country where the components are made to the country of the assembling manufacturer, who sticks a label on saying made in UK or USA or whatever.
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Message 1655630 - Posted: 22 Mar 2015, 1:51:17 UTC - in response to Message 1655617.  

This is Jeb's show.

Clyde there is a hell of a handicap to overcome.
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Message 1655637 - Posted: 22 Mar 2015, 2:22:20 UTC - in response to Message 1655635.  

This is Jeb's show.

Clyde there is a hell of a handicap to overcome.

He is the best brother.

It was supposed to be him running for President. Not W.


Even if Jeb doesn't quite make it, just wait... His son quite possibly will.

George P. Bush. He won election and currently is Commissioner of the Texas General Land Office.

Oh, by the way... George P. Bush(38) is Hispanic. Look for him to run for President in 2024 or 2028.
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Message 1655640 - Posted: 22 Mar 2015, 2:30:01 UTC

This is interesting...

Dr. Patrick Moore.

Dr. Moore received an honours B.Sc. in forest biology from the University of British Columbia and a Ph.D. in ecology from the Institute of Animal Resource Ecology, University of British Columbia, in 1972.

He is a founding member of Greenpeace and served for nine years as president of Greenpeace Canada and seven years as a director of Greenpeace International. As the leader of many campaigns Dr. Moore was a driving force shaping policy and direction while Greenpeace became the world’s largest environmental activist organization.

Dr. Moore has been a leader of the international environmental movement for more than 40 years. He was a member of British Columbia government-appointed Round Table on the Environment and Economy from 1990 to 1994. In 1990, Dr. Moore founded and chaired the BC Carbon Project, a group that worked to develop a common understanding of climate change.

Dr. Moore served for four years as vice president of environment for Waterfurnace International, the largest manufacturer of geothermal heat pumps for residential heating and cooling with renewable Earth energy.

As a member of the board of directors and chair of the Sustainable Forestry Committee of the Forest Alliance of BC, he leads the process of developing the “Principles of Sustainable Forestry,” which have been adopted by a majority of the industry.

Here is a man, a scientist, with impeccable Environmentalist credentials...

It seems he doesn't buy GHG-ACC.

http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2015/03/20/why-i-am-climate-change-skeptic
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Message 1655658 - Posted: 22 Mar 2015, 4:49:00 UTC - in response to Message 1655628.  

The experts want the carbon figures moved from the country where the components are made to the country of the assembling manufacturer, who sticks a label on saying made in UK or USA or whatever.

Of course they do. Because of that and the treaties it also means huge cash payments made by UK or USA in the form of carbon taxes. From that money those experts are paid. Dirtier than the fossil fuel people.
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Message 1655703 - Posted: 22 Mar 2015, 9:58:13 UTC
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To the deniers in the US!
From Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update XX I - All are welcome in the Critter Cafe.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=76328&postid=1655639#1655639
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=76328&postid=1655579#1655579
Thanks zoom314 :) :) :)

Less Clean energy. Less water to irregate.
More CO2 emissions. More desert.

Death Valley Days, straight ahead
The future is scary
Yes, it sure is.

Death Valley Days: "The Last Letter" (1956).
With Clint "Clintan" Eastwood:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz9XgK3ey5A
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Message 1655747 - Posted: 22 Mar 2015, 14:26:24 UTC - in response to Message 1655742.  
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But now, with TOO MUCH population.
This is really the 'Population Time Bomb'.

Not really.
DON'T PANIC:)
The world might not be as bad as you might believe!
http://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/03/07/exp-gps-0308-rosling-population.cnn
http://www.gapminder.org/videos/dont-panic-the-facts-about-population/
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Message 1655757 - Posted: 22 Mar 2015, 15:06:39 UTC

From that money those experts are paid. Dirtier than the fossil fuel people.


I SCREAMED A Giggle wif dat One. And OneAndOnlyIndustrialScale Screamed A Holy and Looked Likkkeee Screamin' Tree.

One Can Only do an Industrial Scale Laugh at Da Ironies.

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Message 1655758 - Posted: 22 Mar 2015, 15:08:36 UTC - in response to Message 1655751.  
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But now, with TOO MUCH population.
This is really the 'Population Time Bomb'.

Not really.
DON'T PANIC:)
The world might not be as bad as you might believe!
http://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/03/07/exp-gps-0308-rosling-population.cnn
http://www.gapminder.org/videos/dont-panic-the-facts-about-population/

Assumes '3rd World' remains '3rd World'.
If not... Vast increase of finite Water Usage. Vast increase in CO2, Vast increase in Polluting Agriculture. Vast increase in...
Is a 'Time Bomb'. Unless WE 'keep them down'. For OUR survival, of course.

According to Hans Rosling there are no such thing like a '3rd World'. I tend to agree.
But you see the problem. Africa is still growing very fast.
Where will they go? Everybody knows the answer.

Hans Rosling says we should see Africa countries as potential costumers instead of a "threat" to the World.
The richer you are the fewer the children in a family.
Almost like humans are following Darwins theory.
And that trend is happening right now and fast in Africa as well.
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