Clyde maybe you haven't been watching the news but the temps have been going up just a bit slower than they where but it hasn't stoped and I have already posted many times the reason why . THE OCEAN CURRENTS .

you are aware the north pole is melting and right now the sea ice extent for winter is lower than it was in 2011

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/ the latest info on this .

so if as you say the temps have stalled then what is causeing the north pole to keep getting smaller ...........PLEASE EXPLAIN ?

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Umm Clyde did you actually read that article ?

I can't see where it says what you are claiming , in fact it says the opposite mate .

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morning Kong ,
Yes you are right the Cat system is a bit misleading however I don't think many buildings will be left standing if even a small cat 5 hits a city as the winds will be 180mph plus and even some of the biggest and most recent Sky Scrapers can't handle winds above 180mph.

I don't know about how you build you houses over there but here now we use metal frames instead of wood and they still get torn to shreads

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It isn't just the cyclone you need to worry about .....
http://www.scilogs.com/from_the_lab_bench/storms-inside-storms-how-hurricanes-spawn-tornadoes/

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I already explained my view in that post. I did not dispute what Glenn said. There is a possibility that he is correct. However, there is another explanation of what seems to be happening. As I said:
[quote]How much of it is that there really (if it is the case) more frequent, more intense hurricanes/cyclones/typhoons than there used to be? And, how much of it is that we just 'know about' more of them?

If a storm slammed into Florida before the White Man came, no matter how often or how violent, that has not made it into White Man's history books.

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If a storm slammed into Florida before the White Man came, no matter how often or how violent, that has not made it into White Man's history books.

ok no worry's there wasn't tree's as in there rings which can and has been counted .

and er , I say this without being Raascist , ..... the native people's would not have any idea's about how much has changed with the weather , right !

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If a storm slammed into Florida before the White Man came, no matter how often or how violent, that has not made it into White Man's history books.

ok no worry's there wasn't tree's as in there rings which can and has been counted .

and er , I say this without being Raascist , ..... the native people's would not have any idea's about how much has changed with the weather , right !

Oral, not written ...
http://www.semtribe.com/Culture/Language.aspx

The Seminole Indians have two languages still in use today, neither of which is traditionally written.

As I said, it didn't make it into White Man's history.

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... During the 1930's, the Arctic was warmer...

And your reference for that so we can check for what the context is?...


A yet meanwhile, the Arctic continues to melt as we have never seen before for our modern times:


Arctic sea ice extent hits record low for winter

... Sea ice in the Arctic Ocean has fallen to the lowest recorded level for the winter season...

... This is the lowest since 1979, when satellite records began.

A recent study found that Arctic sea ice had thinned by 65% between 1975 and 2012.

Bob Ward of the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment at the London School of Economics said: "The gradual disappearance of ice at the poles is having profound consequences for people, animals and plants in the polar regions, as well as around the world...


The Science editor comment to all that is remarkably blase...


That the records for ice melt keep on getting broken is getting to be such a regularly used phrase that the broken records are themselves sounding like a broken record...

And yet the trend continues and our industrial pollution continues...


All on our only one planet,
Martin

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If a storm slammed into Florida before the White Man came, no matter how often or how violent, that has not made it into White Man's history books.

ok no worry's there wasn't tree's as in there rings which can and has been counted .

and er , I say this without being Raascist , ..... the native people's would not have any idea's about how much has changed with the weather , right !

Glenn, I don't think it was intentional on your part, but that statement appears to me to smack a bit much of that European attitude of superiority aka "The White Man's Burden".

You have shown sensitivity towards the indigenous peoples of Australia. Why you would make this statement about the indigenous peoples of North America escapes me.

Just because they didn't have advanced metallurgy (as in guns and armor) when the Europeans came over doesn't make them inferior in any way. They just developed their culture differently from much of Europe, that is all.

Please try to refrain from making such culturally insensitive statements. There are those that might be offended.

+ something:)

And yet the trend continues and our industrial pollution continues...

+ something:)

And yet the trend continues and our industrial pollution continues...

And will continue until we either choke on our own waste, or go back to living in caves and eating raw meat! Ain't NO man driven remediation gonna help. We can learn to breath CO2 and drink H2SO4, or become extinct.

"It don't mean nothin'".

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+ something:)

And yet the trend continues and our industrial pollution continues...

And will continue until we either choke on our own waste, or go back to living in caves and eating raw meat! Ain't NO man driven remediation gonna help. We can learn to breath CO2 and drink H2SO4, or become extinct.

Our neighbour planet Venus is a perfect example how a planet can become extinct due to global warming.
First a lot of CO2 then a lot H2SO4...

Nah Save this our only planet first.

Venus is the way it is primarily because it is so close to the sun.

Venus is the way it is primarily because it is so close to the sun.

You have solved Global Warming. The Earth's orbit must be decaying! ;)

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Why bother about climate change and greenhouse effects.
I like that in Scandinavia it's already spring:)
This is what will happen in the future, but not in my lifetime.

A quick overview of Earth's future using the galactic year, 225 million years, as a yardstick. The galactic year, which is abbreviated GY, is the time it takes for the sun to move once around the galactic center.

0 GY Sun and Earth formed
20 GY Present
21 GY New supercontinent, Pangaea Ultima, begins to form.
25 GY Earth now has an average temperature of over 60 degrees Celsius and the CO2 content of the atmosphere is so low that the last plants die out.
26 GY The oceans begins to evaporate. The earth turns into a 300 degree Celsius hot desert planet. Large parts of the earth is covered by salt plains from the now vanished oceans. Because of the lack of water plate tectonics begins to malfunction.
35 GY The bedrock begins to melt and the earth is covered by an ocean of molten magma.
57 GY The Sun has become a red giant star, which might engulf the earth.

The spring fashion from Paris in a near future.

The Earth's orbit must be decaying! ;

It does precess and wobble. Also solar output varies as does average cloud cover.

The Earth's orbit must be decaying! ;

It does precess and wobble. Also solar output varies as does average cloud cover.

Of course. But this is very well known to scientists.
And that makes it even worse to do predictions.
There are so many variables in the climat models, both small and large, that we simply cannot predict anything to 100% percent.
A much more "simple" model are weather models!
How many days can we predict the weather?

There are so many variables in the climat models, both small and large, that we simply cannot predict anything to 100% percent.

That is the crux of the problem.
Except to those, who are 100% certain.

To make a climat model that works fairly well is going to ages.
How accurate are existing computer modeling techniques and can we be confident that they identify human activities as the primary cause of global warming?
http://www.ucsusa.org/publications/ask/2013/climate-modeling.html#.VQ2GlGN0yJY

During the last five years climate scientists have made dramatic advances in their ability to track two key climate indicators—ocean heat content and Arctic sea ice seasonal cycles—and are confident that current models can reproduce surface temperature increases since 1870, including the rapid warming in the second half of the 20th century.
Here is the report 207 pages! And thats history not predictions!
http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WGIAR5_WGI-12Doc2b_FinalDraft_Chapter09.pdf

Deniers! Think again.

Clyde I saw this:)
Florida climate scientists have been silenced by their governor and his political appointees. Jeb Bush used to govern Florida and he is a national leader for his party. Urge him to stand up for science today.

Clyde your not as smart as you think . I know when your being a ick .

You posted the article so where in that article does it say the artic was warmer or melted ?

You claim there is no proof umm you can see can't you , the ice is melting yet you say the temp's have not gone up for 18 years well then why is the pole melting .

Also you say we should not put bad weather up as it is part of a normal cycle so why are you putting a one off temp increase up as proof there is no GW or temps have not gone up .

Now off cause there was a world war just before the time you are talking about , and I wonder if there was any Volcanoes , so there is 2 reasons why just like the small temp increase that happened around the time of wwii but hey man is not doing now or could not have effected it then could we .

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