I do not dehumanize other people.
Why should I? So far I havent been assaulted to a such degree that I would complain.
But others do.
I have all the empathy for those victims.
None for the perpetrators.
Please remember that we are discussing EVIL persons here.

Yes you do. You just did in this very post. Thats dehumanization.

And evil people do not exist. No one is just solely evil for the sake of being evil. Thats only something a person who dehumanizes others can claim. But if dehumanization is 'evil' and you dehumanize other people, well, what does that say about you?

Empathie is een ander woord voor inlevingsvermogen, de kunde of vaardigheid om je in te leven in de gevoelens van anderen.
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It does NOT mean dehumanizing.

And evil people DO exist.
Stalin, Hitler and Charles Manson are example of evil persons.
And of course Dr Evil:)

Empathie is een ander woord voor inlevingsvermogen, de kunde of vaardigheid om je in te leven in de gevoelens van anderen.
Inlevelseförmåga in Swedish:)
It does NOT mean dehumanizing.

And evil people DO exist.
Stalin, Hitler and Charles Manson are example of evil persons.
And of course Dr Evil:)

Oh no, the fact that you don't have empathy for other people doesn't mean you are dehumanizing them. I guess you don't have empathy for them because you have dehumanized them. After all, you said it yourself, some people deserve to be dehumanized because they broke the law.

Also, the part in bold is you dehumanizing people again. By stating that those people are categorically 'evil' you deny them their aspects that made them human. You are reducing them to only certain aspects of their person while pretending they don't have any other aspects. Take Hitler for example, if you say the guy is evil, you solely focus on the fact the guy did some truly awful things. But you ignore that he had a dog whom he loved deeply, a girlfriend/wife who he loved, that by all accounts he was a nice boss to his underlings and that he was good with children.

No one is just evil for the sake of evil. Even the worst criminal in the history of humanity has positive aspects to his personality and that should not be forgotten. Nor should you forget that no one ever did all those evil deeds because they felt like it was a good idea to be comic book bad guys. There are reasons why those people did what they did, but by stating that those people were just plain evil, you ignore those reasons and as a result, never learn from it.

Even the worst criminal in the history of humanity has positive aspects to his personality

Totally agree to that.
Often it is a bad upbringing together with a mental condition which make some people bad.
For instance Manson's childhood must have been awful.

Reportedly, during his childhood, Manson's mother sold him for a pitcher of beer to a woman who wanted to have children. His uncle had to find the woman so that he could get his nephew back.
According to the California Parole Board, Manson has a history of manipulation, controlling behavior and mental illnesses which include schizophrenia and paranoid delusional behavior.

Despite all the atrocities that Stalin was guilty of as an absolute dictator the father had a loving relationship with Svetlana Alliluyeva during her childhood.´
He used to call her "My boss":)

I'm becoming more and more convinced that evil can't be found within human beings but that evil is rather some kind of 'force' that is there and is influencing people who open themselves up to it. I don't think it will ever be proven that evil can be found in genes.

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Despite all the atrocities that Stalin was guilty of as an absolute dictator the father had a loving relationship with Svetlana Alliluyeva during her childhood.´
He used to call her "My boss":)

Svetlana hated her father. Well, she said that later in her memoirs.

Svetlana, fell in love with a thirty-eight-year-old man, a Jewish filmmaker and journalist named Aleksei Kapler.
Svetlana had a premonition that the relationship would end badly. Her brother Vasily, had always been jealous of the attention she received from their father, and he now told Stalin that Kapler had introduced her to something more than just Hemingway. Stalin confronted Svetlana in her bedroom: “Take a look at yourself. Who’d want you? You fool!” He then yelled at Svetlana for having sex with Kapler while there was a war going on. The accusation was false, but Kapler was arrested and sent to the Vorkuta labor camp, in the Arctic Circle (Not far away from Novaya Zemlya where they dropped Tsar Bomba a 50 MegaTon hydrogen bomb). It was the first time that she realized that her father had the power to send someone to prison.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that evil can't be found within human beings but that evil is rather some kind of 'force' that is there and is influencing people who open themselves up to it. I don't think it will ever be proven that evil can be found in genes.

That evil can be found in genes is probably not possible.
Brain differences doesnt mean that you become an evil person.
Sometimes even good upbringing can lead to evil persons and behaviour.
Sociopaths for instances.
Ted Bundy had a curious hybrid of over- and undercontrolled tendencies, whose high intelligence, likeable character, and nurturing childhood (Ted was a regular church-goer, a Boy Scout and the apple of his mom's eye) should have made him a model citizen. In the end, such assets obviously proved worthless.

Ted Bundy's grandfather was a violent sociopath, he never knew his real father and even at a young age he displayed very disturbing behavior. I don't think that no matter who or how he was raised, he still would have ended up murdering people.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that evil can't be found within human beings but that evil is rather some kind of 'force' that is there and is influencing people who open themselves up to it. I don't think it will ever be proven that evil can be found in genes.

Sometimes I realize a lot of answers can be found in Humanities where the wisdom of the Empirical Science stops.

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When you dehumanise someone you open the door for evil acts. It doesn't matter who that person is.

A sociopath can commit evil because they really don't see other people as human.

A prison system can commit evil because it doesn't see the people in its care as human.

Religious extremists can commit evil because they don't see those outside their faith as human.

The Pope understands that people in prison are still human beings, Clyde thinks they are not. I know which one is on the side of evil in this.

Pope Francis washes feet of male, female prison inmates

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Mental diseases are another thing. They are not connected to evil. It's about humans, who choose evil instead of opening themselves up to the good. Makes me ponder if evil has anything to do with choices humans make. Or otoh, how influencible people are. But then again, being influencible doesn't necessarily mean one is 'Evil'. One could become evil due to evil influences.

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The Pope understands that people in prison are still human beings, Clyde thinks they are not. I know which one is on the side of evil in this.

Pope Francis washes feet of male, female prison inmates

I hope everyone understand that evil persons are a minority of the criminals. Come to think about. Some "not criminals" could be evil.
From your link its juveniles and not hard core criminals that the pope meets.
But I like the gesture and probably the inmates did too.

Mental diseases are another thing. They are not connected to evil. It's about humans, who choose evil instead of opening themselves up to the good. Makes me ponder if evil has anything to do with choices humans make. Or otoh, how influencible people are. But then again, being influencible doesn't necessarily mean one is 'Evil'. One could become evil due to evil influences.

Many people have dopamine, serotonin and GABA unbalances.
Sometimes it will turn a persons mind to evil.
Often it is because of malnutrion but sometimes medication will help.
And influences from other is of course a big factor.

Evil, Nature's test


Twisting hearts, tearing voids into space
Goodness is gone, lost, with but a vague trace
For the cost of lust, greed and power, we are devoured
Feeding dust, mistrust, evils seeds, this be the final hour
Scattered, enveloped, planted in minds to let the eyes see
That man has been living illusion free
Rise to greatness, everbody's granted
Access, into freedom instead in life of the branded
Chance is one, unity is purpose
Army of all people, fighting the global circus
Resist the whip, endure battle scars
Accept healing so it can take away the iron bars
We pass, but only if man understands the true meaning of we
To achieve we, let these words be what the eyes see
Cause the we shall conquer evil, it is the key
Then nature will accept us, letting us truly live free
This is the gamble, could end up wrong
Don't let humanity sing a final lullaby song.

DJ 2014

[edit] Oops, wrong thread:)) Anyhow...

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Note to those stating, in the PM's, I should not respond to Es99's stupid attacks: Sometimes it is a slow day :)

Now that's funny Clyde as most PM's that I know of being floated around just tell others to ignore you and your silly posts. ;-)

Have a nice day.

Cheers.

Note to those stating, in the PM's, I should not respond to Es99's stupid attacks: Sometimes it is a slow day :)

Now that's funny Clyde as most PM's that I know of being floated around just tell others to ignore you and your silly posts. ;-)

Oh, so your inbox has been over run with them too.

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When you dehumanise someone you open the door for evil acts. It doesn't matter who that person is.

A sociopath can commit evil because they really don't see other people as human.

A prison system can commit evil because it doesn't see the people in its care as human.

Religious extremists can commit evil because they don't see those outside their faith as human.

The Pope understands that people in prison are still human beings, Clyde thinks they are not. I know which one is on the side of evil in this.

Pope Francis washes feet of male, female prison inmates

Es99...

You forgot to add Ideologues, commit evil because they do not see those outside of their 'thinking' as human.

You obsession with me, and having to lie to impart inhuman qualities to me: Proves my point.

Keep it up.

Note to those stating, in the PM's, I should not respond to Es99's stupid attacks: Sometimes it is a slow day :)

Oh Clyde, it looks to me like you are quite capable of imparting inhuman qualities to yourself. You don't need my help. You do it time and time again yourself.

Please don't flatter yourself that I am obsessed with you....that really isn't the word I'd use to describe the feeling I get when I see the horrible things you say.

I think disappointment would be a better word to use.

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Is "evil" no more than the ultimate form of "selfishness"?

The supreme example of where the needs of the "many" are nothing compared to the needs of the "one". Be those needs financial, sexual, a desire to dominate or otherwise.

T.A.

Is "evil" no more than the ultimate form of "selfishness"?

The supreme example of where the needs of the "many" are nothing compared to the needs of the "one". Be those needs financial, sexual, a desire to dominate or otherwise.

T.A.

Good point TA... The word Ego does have an evil connotation.

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Is "evil" no more than the ultimate form of "selfishness"?

The supreme example of where the needs of the "many" are nothing compared to the needs of the "one". Be those needs financial, sexual, a desire to dominate or otherwise.

T.A.

Good point TA... The word Ego does have an evil connotation.

There are Healthy Egos and Unhealthy Egos.

How does one distinguish?

Easy, like we distinguish Good and Evil (?)

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Is "evil" no more than the ultimate form of "selfishness"?

The supreme example of where the needs of the "many" are nothing compared to the needs of the "one". Be those needs financial, sexual, a desire to dominate or otherwise.

T.A.

Good point TA... The word Ego does have an evil connotation.

There are Healthy Egos and Unhealthy Egos.

How does one distinguish?

Easy, like we distinguish Good and Evil (?)

So it is all a matter of perspective.

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