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janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Crime rates are dropping, how is that a system which 'continues to fail society consistently'? Crime rates are dropping because an increasing number of crime reports results in that a crime can not be proved. After some decades there will be no crimes committed! |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24875 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Crime rates are dropping, how is that a system which 'continues to fail society consistently'? & all because the coppers are too busy serving themselves. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
& from what has been seen over the past decade, a self-serving one! Give it another couple of decades and you will catch up, but you will have to toss in some activist labor unions and more corruption in your political process. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Crime rates are dropping, how is that a system which 'continues to fail society consistently'? Coppers are spending a LOT of hours to make reports in computer systems that are not suited for there needs. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
He is a former police officer. He was in the vengeance business. Without some class of subhuman victimizers he could not do vengeance. If the victimizers are also victims and therefore human, how could he extract vengeance? After all it is only through being able to discriminate a class as subhuman that he could operate. You can find a similar thought process at a Klavern. Yes. Reality Internet Personality |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
He is a former police officer. He was in the vengeance business. Without some class of subhuman victimizers he could not do vengeance. If the victimizers are also victims and therefore human, how could he extract vengeance? After all it is only through being able to discriminate a class as subhuman that he could operate. You can find a similar thought process at a Klavern. What? In order to do that you need psychiatric care and medication. Most people cant afford it. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
EMPATHY: Cyde, it does strike me as odd that you can't feel empathy for other people's suffering. If I saw a rapist being tortured to death I will still feel empathy for them and want to stop it. You seem to be able to switch your empathy on an off at will. So either you are incredibly brutalised and desensitised or you are a psychopath. Reality Internet Personality |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
EMPATHY: @Es99 Do you live on this planet? Who can feel empathy to a person that does not feel any empathy at all, none whats so ever? Now you even suggest that people not having your fantasy idea of empathy are brutalised or psychopaths. Get real. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
EMPATHY: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder wrote: ICD-10 It is characterized by at least 3 of the following: I'd suggest anyone witnessing torture to death or a rapist and not feeling anything is exhibiting 3 things, possibly 4 on the list. So I think ES is pretty much on target. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
EMPATHY: Yes I totally agree to this. But the example given is way out of line. How many rapist being tortured to death is there? Most criminals have empathy. But not all. The evil ones. What about them? In the US, one of the few countries that have capital punishment, it is an option to watch the execution:( Where is the empathy? |
celttooth Send message Joined: 21 Nov 99 Posts: 26503 Credit: 28,583,098 RAC: 0 |
If I saw a rapist being tortured to death I will still feel empathy for them Me as well Ess, but I would still be angry at that person for making me deal with all of those things. All during my career as a public minder, crimes against children always upset me, and some things still haunt me to this day. It is just that I refuse to let another person's illness also make a victim of me by taking away my humanity. Most of my work mates also are very disturbed by the hurt, and pain they see every day. I found out that after I finished my working life, some things from that life still need working on. Again I state: "People are not born evil, they are just not born wise." |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34041 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
This is what humanity is capable of: forgiveness and reconciliation, the Spirit of Enniskillen Gordon Wilson lived very much on this planet. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
This is what humanity is capable of: "I bear no ill will. I bear no grudge" Very powerful. Reality Internet Personality |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Well technically we don't call it torture, but the difference between prison and torture is just semantics. So its not as rare as you suggest. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
No "ill will" against those who have Brutally Raped and Murdered YOUR Infant Child? So as a response, you think its okay to dehumanize and victimize? You realize this sets off a vicious circle right? Because believe it or not, but criminals have loved ones as well. They have children, wives, girlfriends, parents, grandparents and friends. So to compensate for the loss of one group of people, you brutally punish and torture another person while being completely indifferent about the suffering you cause there. To compensate for one set of victims, you create another set of victims. But how does that help anyone? The first set of victims are still victims, all you do is create even more victims. So they can all feel miserable together? And why? Because you don't see criminals as people with thoughts and feelings and friends and loved ones, much like yourself, because you cannot cope with the idea that you are just one bad day, one mistake removed from being branded as a criminal yourself. You are not scared of them, you are scared of yourself, and to compensate for that fear, you dehumanize criminals so they don't look so much like you. While you keep harping on about how we cannot know what its like until we become victims of a crime, I think that you cannot know what your attitude leads to until you commit a crime. See what its like when no one is willing to acknowledge your humanity or integrity as a person when you made a mistake and have to pay for it the rest of your life. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
OK. There are many prisoners who takes their own lifes while they are imprisoned. But for serial rapist, mass murderers and other violent offenders, there is no other way than to separate them from other people. I think it would be a crime not to do it. Why should innocent people suffer for criminals well being? I have empathy for the victims who lack empathy for their perpetrators. I know that's not Politically Correct but there you go. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
OK. There are many prisoners who takes their own lifes while they are imprisoned. Where has anyone said that being empathetic towards criminals means you can't lock them up for their crimes? Being empathetic towards them as human beings does in no way negate the fact that they did something horrible and as such need to bear the consequences of their actions and be punished. So of course we must lock rapists and murderers away. But even when they are prison, we must remember to see them as humans and treat them as humans. Which is something a lot of current prison systems do not do. So see this as a call for better prison conditions with a bigger focus on rehabilitation instead of brutal punishment. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
So of course we must lock rapists and murderers away. But even when they are prison, we must remember to see them as humans and treat them as humans. Which is something a lot of current prison systems do not do. So see this as a call for better prison conditions with a bigger focus on rehabilitation instead of brutal punishment. Sounds very good to me. But (there is always a but) evil rapist and evil murderers often do not respond to rehabilitation and penalty as a deterrent method does not work. Bigger focus to crime prevention looks even better. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_prevention |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Repost - You are correct. But you are also "Politically Incorrect" I have learnt that's a big difference. Basicly it's means "Shut up and play along" :) |
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