WOW!!!
You mean we are Superior to you!
YOU advanced from the Greeks, Romans and Ottomans.
Therefore... We advanced from YOU!
Please bow before YOUR Superior's.

You'd have a point if we had never advanced beyond the 18th century. We did. We are superior to no one, but no one is superior to us as well.

Never said we were. Repeating my previous post -

European Thought: Elites (definition changes) controls The People, The Peasant's, The Masses, The Great Unwashed, etc. Has ALWAYS, given enough time, has resulted, and will always result, in Great Horrors.
American Thought: STOP the Controller's. This results in ALL said in this Thread.
NEITHER is a successful approach. Wonder if there isn't a Third Way?

What is an European Thought?
56 sovereign states, six of which have limited recognition!
What is an American Thought?
35 sovereign states!
And 25 territories who are not sovereign states

Never said we were. Repeating my previous post -

European Thought: Elites (definition changes) controls The People, The Peasant's, The Masses, The Great Unwashed, etc. Has ALWAYS, given enough time, has resulted, and will always result, in Great Horrors.

American Thought: STOP the Controller's. This results in ALL said in this Thread.

NEITHER is a successful approach. Wonder if there isn't a Third Way?

You know that I will forever disagree with you on that being the primary European philosophy when it comes to government. I suggest we simply agree to disagree on that, rather than have the same discussion over and over again.

I honestly rather talk about what that third way could be...

All this chatter and talk, yet everyone misses the whole point..

"The right to bear arms". Now the constitution does not state what those arms are, a ruddy 6" knife is a lethal weapon, as is a sword or even a baseball bat...

Perhaps the US Government should simply define what arms are in law and separate arms from firearms as other nations have done.

The solutions are there, the solutions are only as complicated as people make them. Unless and until the US as a state starts to do something about this there will continue to be school massacres and other mass shootings. The US will continue to be a divided nation, a nation of hypocrisy and ineffective civil rights for many.

The worst part, is the US is likely the only country to ever lose it's own civil war...it would have been far better off as two or possible three nations, but that is history and we cannot change it easily as the US Government would never accept a diminishing of it's powers..that would cause a second civil war, which is likely inevitable in the US anyway.

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But can you change the mindset of a nation that depends on weapons armaments as part of its economy let alone the ideals of those suppliers and supporters?

At least we did. ;-)

Now if only we can curtain the illegally imported weapons that outlaw MC and ethnic gangs bring into this country.

Cheers

But can you change the mindset of a nation that depends on weapons armaments as part of its economy let alone the ideals of those suppliers and supporters?

At least we did. ;-)

Cheers

Up to a point we did here in the UK too. Many of the small arms manufacturers are now located in other countries and all the jobs went there too, making the locals redundant.

Making weapons is one thing, allowing the public access is another.

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First Amendment, not second.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/11/gun-dealers-sue-over-california-law-barring-window-displays/

The suit was filed Monday in the Eastern District of California, in Sacramento. It names California Attorney General Kamala Harris and Stephen Lindley, who heads the state Department of Justice’s Bureau of Firearms, as co-defendants.

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Interesting slant on things...

AMERICA'S HUNTERS ---


Pretty Amazing...!
A blogger added up the deer license sales
in just a handful of states and arrived at
a striking conclusion:

There were over 600,000 hunters
this season in the state of Wisconsin....
Allow me to restate that number:
600,000...!

Over the last several months,
Wisconsin's hunters became
the eighth largest army in the world....

(That's more men under arms
than in Iran....
More than France and
Germany combined. )

These men, deployed to the woods
of a single American state, Wisconsin,
to hunt with firearms, and NO ONE
WAS KILLED....

That number pales in comparison
to the 750,000 who hunted the woods
of Pennsylvania and Michigan's 700,000
hunters, ALL OF WHOM HAVE RETURNED
HOME SAFELY....

Toss in a quarter million hunters in
West Virginia and it literally establishes
the fact that the hunters of those four
states alone would comprise the largest
army in the world....

And then add in the total number
of hunters in the other 46 states....
It's millions more....

The point? _______________________________________

America will forever be safe from
foreign invasion with that kind of
home-grown firepower...! Hunting...
it's not just a way to fill the freezer.

It's a matter of National Security....

That's why all enemies, foreign
and domestic, want to see us
disarmed.
Food for thought, when next we
consider gun control.

Overall it's true, so if we disregard
some assumptions that hunters
don't possess the same skills as soldiers,
the question would still remain....

What army of 2 million would want
to face 30 million, 40 million, or
50 million armed citizens...???
For the sake of our freedom, don't ever
allow gun control or confiscation of guns.

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That's why all enemies, foreign
and domestic, want to see us
disarmed.
Food for thought, when next we
consider gun control.

The lack of organization makes that hypothetical "milita" seem comical to me. Sorry, my neighbor being Rambo is laughable. Hopefully we will never find out.

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The lack of organization makes that hypothetical "milita" seem comical to me. Sorry, my neighbor being Rambo is laughable. Hopefully we will never find out.

After The Magnificent Post by j mercer, The Comment Above Makes Me Vomit.

Put A Sign on Your Lawn Stating Your Desire Not To Be Protected by Hunters or Whomever Has The Balls To Stop The Invasion.

I'm Sure The Next Occupiers of Your House When You Are Gone will Appreciate The Hunters and Other Gun Owners.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Militia has historically been used to describe all able-bodied men who are not members of the Army or Navy (Uniformed Services).

Kinda how America got started. LOL!! It was comical for the British too. They laughed all the back to their island empty handed. ;-)

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That's why all enemies, foreign
and domestic, want to see us
disarmed.
Food for thought, when next we
consider gun control.

The lack of organization makes that hypothetical "milita" seem comical to me. Sorry, my neighbor being Rambo is laughable. Hopefully we will never find out.

Silly, and not thoughtful argument.

You really believe an adversary, either Internal Government, or Foreign Government would not take into account, 30-40-50 Million - or more, armed people?

Really?

Japan.At the start of their war with us. Did not consider an invasion of the continetal US because they knew we had to many weapons. And the men and women who knew how to use them.

It would be a whole sorry story nowdays. Two of my own daughters pee them sleves at the mere mention of a fire arm. And they were brought up in an enviroment that included the safe resonbile use of one.
Well thats their choice, Dont condem me for mine.

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Old James

Japan.At the start of their war with us. Did not consider an invasion of the continetal US because they knew we had to many weapons. And the men and women who knew how to use them.

Or, just a suggestion, maybe they didn't think an invasion was a good idea because that would require them to land massive armies halfway across the world? Japan didn't invade you because they were scared of the armed populace, they didnt invade because the logistics of it made it pretty much impossible.

Agree.

Although The Midway Campaign was a prelude to, a hoped for, Invasion/Occupation of Hawaii. Hawaii was then a Territory of The USA, until being admitted to The Union, in 1959.

Well that would make strategic sense. It would deny the Americans their main naval and supply base in the pacific and would significantly hinder American supply lines.

But the reason that invasion never happened was not because the Japanese were to afraid of an armed populace or anything. The strategic flow of the war simply did not permit such an action.

Agree.

Although The Midway Campaign was a prelude to, a hoped for, Invasion/Occupation of Hawaii. Hawaii was then a Territory of The USA, until being admitted to The Union, in 1959.

Well that would make strategic sense. It would deny the Americans their main naval and supply base in the pacific and would significantly hinder American supply lines.

But the reason that invasion never happened was not because the Japanese were to afraid of an armed populace or anything. The strategic flow of the war simply did not permit such an action.

My such revisionism.

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The strategic flow of the war simply did not permit such an action.

The U S A Crossed Two Oceans. Guess Because We Beez So Big and Rich, eh? And Logistics and Strategies are An American Thang.

C'mon Vrold, Invade US and Die.

Stupid Frickin' Foreigners.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/12/new-court-decision-likely-ends-california-restrictions-on-conceal-carry-permits/

Law-abiding Californians may not need to justify their need to carry concealed weapons, after the same three-judge panel that struck down restrictions on the permits earlier this year ruled Wednesday that it is too late for new opponents to join the fight against the ruling.

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Another gun, another school, this is just plain idiocy. :-(

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/student-says-textbook-blocked-bullet-of-florida-state-university-shooter-who-was-a-former-student/story-fnh81jut-1227129884700

No cheers here.

Another kid dead over gun stupidity. :-(

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/emergency-caller-said-boy-was-playing-with-a-pistol-that-was-probably-fake/story-fnh81jut-1227132570435

Another kid dead over gun stupidity. :-(

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/emergency-caller-said-boy-was-playing-with-a-pistol-that-was-probably-fake/story-fnh81jut-1227132570435

Update on this.

http://www.news.com.au/world/two-seconds-is-all-it-took-for-cleveland-police-to-determine-the-gun-12-year-old-tamir-had-was-real-they-were-wrong/story-fndir2ev-1227136546239

Another kid dead over gun stupidity. :-(

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/emergency-caller-said-boy-was-playing-with-a-pistol-that-was-probably-fake/story-fnh81jut-1227132570435

Update on this.

http://www.news.com.au/world/two-seconds-is-all-it-took-for-cleveland-police-to-determine-the-gun-12-year-old-tamir-had-was-real-they-were-wrong/story-fndir2ev-1227136546239

Fact remains he was still holding a gun in public. What it shoots is a secondary concern.

They said on the radio this morning that in Britain 5 people have been fatally shot by police in the last 4 years. In America over the same time period it's 1600.

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