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Message 1587094 - Posted: 15 Oct 2014, 11:17:27 UTC

One of the 6570's doesn't run. It is the one pinned to the MB with a riser on the PCIe x1. Using gpu-z it reports the bus interfaces as:

the functioning 6570: pci-e 2.0 x16 x16 2.0
the malfunctioning 6570: pci-e 1.1 x16 x1 1.1

We recently flashed the dell's bios.

Is there any remedy for the 6570 on the riser to be able to use pci-e 2.0 from that slot. It is the only available slot (except for another x1 which I haven't tried) on the MB.

Thanks for reading my problem.
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Message 1587153 - Posted: 15 Oct 2014, 14:19:37 UTC - in response to Message 1587094.  
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Make sure the OS is using the card. Go to the device manager and look at the driver to see if there are any Errors. On my Dell the Driver would give a Code 10, Driver can't start.

If it isn't showing any Errors, make sure your cc_config.xml file has the following entry;
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<dont_contact_ref_site>1</dont_contact_ref_site>
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
<save_stats_days>365</save_stats_days>
</options>
</cc_config>
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration

If that doesn't work, post the first 30 lines from your BOINC Manager Event Log.
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Message 1587155 - Posted: 15 Oct 2014, 14:28:57 UTC - in response to Message 1587153.  
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Thanks TBar,
I'll do it and see what happens. I'll let you know if it works or post my 30 lines if not.

Make sure the OS is using the card. Go to the device manager and look at the driver to see if there are any Errors. On my Dell the Driver would give a Code 10, Driver can't start.

If it isn't showing any Errors, make sure your cc_config.xml file has the following entry;
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<dont_contact_ref_site>1</dont_contact_ref_site>
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
<save_stats_days>365</save_stats_days>
</options>
</cc_config>
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration

If that doesn't work, post the first 30 lines from your BOINC Manager Event Log.

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Message 1587223 - Posted: 15 Oct 2014, 17:53:42 UTC - in response to Message 1587155.  
Last modified: 15 Oct 2014, 18:15:30 UTC

TBar,
Well their both crunching 2.5 hours now.
One is very slow. Showing a clock speed of 100Mz on SIV64X and GPU-Z. Maybe mortally wounded?

--edit

catalyst ctl ctr is showing it as a disabled gpu!

Thanks TBar,
I'll do it and see what happens. I'll let you know if it works or post my 30 lines if not.

Make sure the OS is using the card. Go to the device manager and look at the driver to see if there are any Errors. On my Dell the Driver would give a Code 10, Driver can't start.

If it isn't showing any Errors, make sure your cc_config.xml file has the following entry;
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<dont_contact_ref_site>1</dont_contact_ref_site>
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
<save_stats_days>365</save_stats_days>
</options>
</cc_config>
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration

If that doesn't work, post the first 30 lines from your BOINC Manager Event Log.

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Message 1587236 - Posted: 15 Oct 2014, 18:10:23 UTC

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First lines of event log:

10/15/2014 10:52:41 AM | | Starting BOINC client version 7.2.42 for windows_x86_64
10/15/2014 10:52:41 AM | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
10/15/2014 10:52:41 AM | | Libraries: libcurl/7.25.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1 zlib/1.2.6
10/15/2014 10:52:41 AM | | Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC
10/15/2014 10:52:41 AM | | Running under account merle
10/15/2014 10:52:41 AM | | CAL: ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 6570/6670/7570/7670 series (Turks) (CAL version 1.4.1720, 1024MB, 991MB available, 1248 GFLOPS peak)
10/15/2014 10:52:41 AM | | CAL: ATI GPU 1: AMD Radeon HD 6570/6670/7570/7670 series (Turks) (CAL version 1.4.1720, 1024MB, 991MB available, 1248 GFLOPS peak)
10/15/2014 10:52:41 AM | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 6570/6670/7570/7670 series (Turks) (driver version CAL 1.4.1720 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (923.1), 1024MB, 991MB available, 1248 GFLOPS peak)
10/15/2014 10:52:41 AM | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 1: AMD Radeon HD 6570/6670/7570/7670 series (Turks) (driver version CAL 1.4.1720 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (923.1), 1024MB, 991MB available, 1248 GFLOPS peak)
10/15/2014 10:52:41 AM | | OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., driver version 2.0 (sse2), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (923.1))
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Message 1587244 - Posted: 15 Oct 2014, 18:21:39 UTC - in response to Message 1587223.  

...catalyst ctl ctr is showing it as a disabled gpu!

It sounds like it is running both tasks on one GPU. Look at the SIV front page carefully. Is it showing activity on BOTH GPUs or just 1? Do you have the second card connected to a monitor? You can usually connect both cards to the same monitor...

I would run the ATI Driver Installer again and restart the computer.
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Message 1587273 - Posted: 15 Oct 2014, 18:41:58 UTC - in response to Message 1587244.  

It shows both gpu's active. Only the original 6570 is connected to the monitor.
I will run the ati driver installer again.
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Message 1587287 - Posted: 15 Oct 2014, 18:54:00 UTC - in response to Message 1587273.  
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It shows both gpu's active. Only the original 6570 is connected to the monitor.
I will run the ati driver installer again.

Try connecting BOTH cards to a monitor. I had the same trouble a while back, it worked after connecting the second card to a monitor and rebooting. After rebooting, Extend the Desktop to the second card.
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Message 1587288 - Posted: 15 Oct 2014, 18:54:22 UTC

I reran the driver installer. Everything remains as before. Should I plug in the riser card into the same monitor?
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Message 1587315 - Posted: 15 Oct 2014, 19:33:32 UTC - in response to Message 1587288.  
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I reran the driver installer. Everything remains as before. Should I plug in the riser card into the same monitor?

That's a bit of an old driver at Cat 12.4, you could try Cat 14.4 or 14.9, there will have been lots of improvements to the OpenCL runtime/driver since then,
things like ZeroCopy were introduced at around Cat 12.8, Cat 13.4 introduced CAL/OpenCL support without a monitor connected, But broke Hardware monitoring of said GPU (and you couldn't now extend the desktop onto said GPU),
this was fixed on a later driver (around Cat 13.8).

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Message 1587321 - Posted: 15 Oct 2014, 19:40:47 UTC - in response to Message 1587315.  
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I reran the driver installer. Everything remains as before. Should I plug in the riser card into the same monitor?

That's a bit of an old driver at Cat 12.4, you could try Cat 14.4 or 14.9, there will have been lots of improvements to the OpenCL runtime/driver since then,
things like ZeroCopy were introduced at around Cat 12.8, etc.

ATI Driver Version Cheat Sheet

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The reason he's at 12.4 is he has a tendency to stick his ATI 4670 in that machine. The 4670 Will Not work with anything above 12.4. Except the Legacy Drivers, which Will Not work with the 6570. 12.4 works fine in that machine with the 6570s. What he needs to do is connect BOTH cards to a monitor and Extend the Desktop to the second card. I had the EXACT same trouble with 12.4 in Vista with two similar ATI cards, http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/show_host_detail.php?hostid=72451
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Message 1587333 - Posted: 15 Oct 2014, 19:54:19 UTC

This can also be done instead of connecting each card to a monitor.
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Message 1587337 - Posted: 15 Oct 2014, 19:59:00 UTC - in response to Message 1587333.  
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This can also be done instead of connecting each card to a monitor.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/manual_display_detect.htm

Except that Did NOT work for me in Vista with Cat 12.4. I believe we went over that earlier. The Only thing that worked for me was running another cable to the monitor. Then BOINC Stopped running both AP tasks on the same card and started using the second card.
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Message 1587388 - Posted: 15 Oct 2014, 20:48:41 UTC - in response to Message 1587337.  

This can also be done instead of connecting each card to a monitor.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/manual_display_detect.htm

Except that Did NOT work for me in Vista with Cat 12.4. I believe we went over that earlier. The Only thing that worked for me was running another cable to the monitor. Then BOINC Stopped running both AP tasks on the same card and started using the second card.

I'm not sure whether it's BOINC directing both tasks to run on the same GPU, or whether BOINC plans them to run them separately, but the application's own checking that decides that one isn't responding and chooses the other instead.

Did BOINC's own startup messages show both GPUs as available in that problematic configuration?
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Message 1587391 - Posted: 15 Oct 2014, 20:53:25 UTC - in response to Message 1587388.  

In the event log? Yes
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Message 1587395 - Posted: 15 Oct 2014, 21:01:20 UTC - in response to Message 1587388.  
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Did BOINC's own startup messages show both GPUs as available in that problematic configuration?

That was a while ago, but as I remember, there were not any indications of trouble. Just as the above Log message, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75878&postid=1587236 . BOINC recognized the cards and showed two tasks running in the manager. The only indications of trouble was that the extended desktop wouldn't stick/activate and SIV/GPU-z showed activity on only One card.
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Message 1587433 - Posted: 15 Oct 2014, 21:47:14 UTC - in response to Message 1587288.  

One is very slow. Showing a clock speed of 100Mz on SIV64X and GPU-Z.

catalyst ctl ctr is showing it as a disabled gpu!

Only the original 6570 is connected to the monitor.

I reran the driver installer. Everything remains as before. Should I plug in the riser card into the same monitor?

So, have you connected the second card to a monitor yet? As I suggested previously;
1) Connect Both Cards to a Monitor
2) Reboot the Computer
3) Launch CCC and Extend the Desktop to the second card
4) Launch BOINC, then check the GPU Load on both cards with SIV & GPU-z
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Message 1587454 - Posted: 15 Oct 2014, 22:35:16 UTC - in response to Message 1587433.  

Yes, I tried everything from all hands and nothing works for long. The first 6570 works perfectly on cat 12-4 but when I put the second one on the riser it doesn't work. I remember now that last time I swore I would stop experimenting and not try it again. But I tried it again with the same results. This time I mean it - not again. Thanks everybody for trying with me but for some reason on this computer the attached 6570 on a riser won't work on this computer. I apologize for wasting your time.
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Message 1587456 - Posted: 15 Oct 2014, 22:38:33 UTC - in response to Message 1587454.  
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Merle,

Is this a store bought computer or one that you built? I remember a while back trying to add a second GPU via riser to a store bought computer and it refused to allow me to use it. I finally gave up and build a new computer with a better MoBo that did allow the use of riser.



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Edit.. Just reread the title of this thread..Duh!! Was there another GPU that was recognized and used by this MoBo or has it never used the GPU via the riser?
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Message 1587459 - Posted: 15 Oct 2014, 22:46:15 UTC - in response to Message 1587454.  
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Yes, I tried everything from all hands and nothing works for long. The first 6570 works perfectly on cat 12-4 but when I put the second one on the riser it doesn't work. I remember now that last time I swore I would stop experimenting and not try it again. But I tried it again with the same results. This time I mean it - not again. Thanks everybody for trying with me but for some reason on this computer the attached 6570 on a riser won't work on this computer. I apologize for wasting your time.

You still haven't answered the question.

Did you ever attach a monitor (or a dummy load) to the video output port on the second graphics card?
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