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Message 1591334 - Posted: 24 Oct 2014, 13:03:25 UTC - in response to Message 1591110.  

However Chris i'm not so shore your as smart as Red is though IQ.163

Oh the irony.
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Message 1591445 - Posted: 24 Oct 2014, 16:47:15 UTC

It's official! Sex & Drugs are now part & parcel of a country's GDP.

Sex, Drugs & the EU Budget
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Message 1591450 - Posted: 24 Oct 2014, 16:57:46 UTC - in response to Message 1591445.  

It's official! Sex & Drugs are now part & parcel of a country's GDP.

Sex, Drugs & the EU Budget


Well you may recall that the Office for National Statistics recently recalculated the size of our national income to take account of unreported or under-reported parts of the economy, such as research and development, illicit drugs and prostitution.

So thanks in part to the inclusion in the official economy of our productive sex workers, our EU membership fee has been augmented.


ROFLMAO

The cultural mantra from the days of my misspent youth... Sex, Drugs, and Rock&Roll...

About... Dang... Time...

Now if we could start taxing them over here...
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Message 1591453 - Posted: 24 Oct 2014, 17:02:38 UTC - in response to Message 1591450.  

ROFLMAO

The cultural mantra from the days of my misspent youth... Sex, Drugs, and Rock&Roll...


or the military's version of those days...

...Sex, Drugs and Lock&Load :-)
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Message 1591457 - Posted: 24 Oct 2014, 17:15:20 UTC - in response to Message 1591450.  

It's official! Sex & Drugs are now part & parcel of a country's GDP.

Sex, Drugs & the EU Budget


Well you may recall that the Office for National Statistics recently recalculated the size of our national income to take account of unreported or under-reported parts of the economy, such as research and development, illicit drugs and prostitution.

So thanks in part to the inclusion in the official economy of our productive sex workers, our EU membership fee has been augmented.


ROFLMAO

The cultural mantra from the days of my misspent youth... Sex, Drugs, and Rock&Roll...

About... Dang... Time...

Now if we could start taxing them over here...

Nevada ......
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Message 1591472 - Posted: 24 Oct 2014, 18:05:35 UTC
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What Drugs & Alcohol really does to one...

...Lose all common sense

I hope the occupants of the other vehicle were uninjured!
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Message 1591624 - Posted: 24 Oct 2014, 23:26:58 UTC - in response to Message 1591472.  
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What Drugs & Alcohol really does to one...

...Lose all common sense

I hope the occupants of the other vehicle were uninjured!


Sirius i figure you must have lost some one as you seen very serious about it , but should not the car manufactures theses days build into the car a way of stopping people from driving in the first place .

Breath test or mouth swab

I'm shore we can do it , still no excuse for drink , drug, driving .
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Message 1591629 - Posted: 24 Oct 2014, 23:32:19 UTC - in response to Message 1591624.  

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Message 1591642 - Posted: 24 Oct 2014, 23:49:40 UTC - in response to Message 1591629.  

Sorry to here that 1 is bad but 3 wow . Lost my cousin at age 21 , walk out of the local pub put hand in pocket to get cash dropped money on road , bent over to pick it up and got hit by a car , never cought the person either. Lost 3 other friends when they raped a car around a telegraph pole me mate sold his bro the car so he lost his bro and 2 friends i lost 3 friends, not shore if they where stoned but they where doing 150 on a corner not far from where my cousin was killed and not long after too

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Message 1591646 - Posted: 25 Oct 2014, 0:01:17 UTC - in response to Message 1591472.  

What Drugs & Alcohol really does to one...

...Lose all common sense

I hope the occupants of the other vehicle were uninjured!

Cirius, what does that have to do with this thread which is about cannabis? Not all drugs are the same.
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Message 1591648 - Posted: 25 Oct 2014, 0:04:34 UTC - in response to Message 1591646.  

What Drugs & Alcohol really does to one...

...Lose all common sense

I hope the occupants of the other vehicle were uninjured!

Cirius, what does that have to do with this thread which is about cannabis? Not all drugs are the same.

A little late with your comment are you not?

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Message 1591677 - Posted: 25 Oct 2014, 1:15:29 UTC

Drugs, alchohol and ageing....
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Message 1591867 - Posted: 25 Oct 2014, 11:35:07 UTC - in response to Message 1591834.  

but should not the car manufactures theses days build into the car a way of stopping people from driving in the first place .

Breath test or mouth swab, I'm shore we can do it , still no excuse for drink , drug, driving .


I understand Betregers point and agree with it, but driving while stoned on Cannabis is not much different to driving through excess alcohol, so the effects of Cannabis in that situation is somewhat relevant to this thread.

There are/were moves to introduce inbuilt breath analysers before a car could be started and driven. But it was pointd out that the drunk driver could get any passenger or passer by to take the test leaving them free to drive under the influence. OK it would mean collusion, but it was wide open to abuse. Some pubs and clubs used to confiscate the car keys of drunk patrons, but there was a problem in law because it was technically stealing, whatever the good intentions were.


They do that in many jurisdictions in the USA on people that get DUI convictions. The driver/owner of the car has to, at their own expense, have a breathalyzer installed in their car. But as you point out, it is open to abuse.


The police do not help sometimes. There are occasions where a driver realises that they are unfit to drive, pull over, and sleep it off in the back seat. But the police will still prosecute because technically the person is still deemed to be in charge of the vehicle.


That is the way the law is written. The police don't have much of a choice. Drunk person even not inside the vehicle, but near it (in some jurisdictions), in possession of the keys to said vehicle, OR a drunk person inside of a vehicle and the keys inside the vehicle... Both cases, the drunk person is considered under these insane stupid laws to be 'operating' the vehicle. I remember hearing of one drunk guy that got smart and threw his keys off into the bushes before climbing inside his car to sleep it off. Oh, he got hassled by the police, and he might have been convicted of something else, be he did not get a DUI conviction.


The only answer is to either educate the general public on the dangers of driving under the influence of drink or drugs, so that it becomes socially unacceptable, or make the penalties stiffer. Many people might agree that if anyone is caught behind the wheel under the influence of drink or drugs, then it is a mandatory £1000 fine, a suspended 1 month prison sentence, loss of licence for a year, and the vehicle impounded. That might be a deterrent, but it would be seen as too draconian and never get agreed.


Oh they ALREADY do stuff like this in the USA, especially on repeat offenses. It doesn't help.


But, have you ever tried to get a cab home after closing time? The price rockets and that is even if you can get a cab in the first place. Local Councils could help by providing a scheme for subsidised transport at those times of night, but how would it be funded?


A lot of bars in the USA will now call you a cab and pay for it if you need a safe ride home. It is seen to be a lot cheaper by the bar owners to pay for cab rides home than to risk being sued if the customer self-drives and kills someone on the way home.

It has to come down to personal responsibility at some point, and I see less and less of that in the 21C.


You are SO correct on this one.
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Message 1592931 - Posted: 27 Oct 2014, 12:50:50 UTC

Thought experiment:

I've been to the pub and am 'well refreshed'.
I walk back to my motorhome, get in the back and go to bed.
I am now drunk and asleep inside a motor vehicle. Would i be deemed 'in charge' of this vehicle should the police come knocking?
If not, how does being asleep in the back of a motorhome differ from being asleep in the back of a car?
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Message 1592941 - Posted: 27 Oct 2014, 13:30:43 UTC - in response to Message 1592931.  

Thought experiment:

I've been to the pub and am 'well refreshed'.
I walk back to my motorhome, get in the back and go to bed.
I am now drunk and asleep inside a motor vehicle. Would i be deemed 'in charge' of this vehicle should the police come knocking?
If not, how does being asleep in the back of a motorhome differ from being asleep in the back of a car?



The word 'motorhome says it all Simon:)) I don't think a car is a dwelling place...
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Message 1592952 - Posted: 27 Oct 2014, 13:59:25 UTC - in response to Message 1592949.  

If this motorhome was parked upon a public highway then yes, anyone inside it with access to the keys to drive it would be deemed in law to be in charge. If parked on private land, public land, or official caravan park, that would probably not apply. I don't know about lay-bys, that could be a grey area.



I remember on our trip this summer, we couldn't park the motorhome where we wanted to, it had to be in designated places or desert places somewhere in the woods where no one could find us:))
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Message 1592975 - Posted: 27 Oct 2014, 15:15:20 UTC - in response to Message 1592941.  

The word 'motorhome says it all Simon:)) I don't think a car is a dwelling place...

If only the law were that simple.
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Message 1592979 - Posted: 27 Oct 2014, 15:26:44 UTC - in response to Message 1592975.  

The word 'motorhome says it all Simon:)) I don't think a car is a dwelling place...

If only the law were that simple.


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Message 1592982 - Posted: 27 Oct 2014, 15:30:40 UTC

Since we have gone off on a tangent, there is a special exception in the law for limousines, if the driver's compartment is separate, then in the passenger area booze is fine.
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Message 1593187 - Posted: 27 Oct 2014, 23:57:24 UTC
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Since we have gone off on a tangent,



seems just talking about pot get's everyone stoned ........:::)))))
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