Haven't we already established mommy and daddy can have their kids stoned? What's the difference between Methylphenidate and pot?

Interesting question.

Disregarding Pot, for the moment. Are we over drugging our Children, with Prescription Drugs?

Yes.

Haven't we already established mommy and daddy can have their kids stoned? What's the difference between Methylphenidate and pot?

Interesting question.

Disregarding Pot, for the moment. Are we over drugging our Children, with Prescription Drugs?

Yes.

I hope so because the generation brought up stoned has yet to take over ....

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Haven't we already established mommy and daddy can have their kids stoned? What's the difference between Methylphenidate and pot?

Interesting question.

Disregarding Pot, for the moment. Are we over drugging our Children, with Prescription Drugs?

Yes.

I hope so because the generation brought up stoned has yet to take over ....

WE ALREADY DID!!!

My 60's Generation of, Sex, Drugs, and Rock & Roll did - Bill Clinton.

You weren't brought up stoned 24-7 from kindergarten, you got stoned once in a while after you got in high school.

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Chris, look up Methylphenidate

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Chris, look up Methylphenidate

A friend of mine who has ADHD takes Concerta, supposed to work much better than Rilatine.

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Chris, look up Methylphenidate

I did.

Methylphenidate (trade names Concerta, Methylin, Ritalin, Equasym XL, Quillivant XR) is a substituted phenethylamine and psychostimulant drug used for the treatment of attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome and narcolepsy. Methylphenidate has been studied and researched for over 50 years and has a very good efficacy and safety record for the treatment of ADHD. The original patent was owned by CIBA, now Novartis Corporation. It was first licensed by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in 1955 for treating what was then known as hyperactivity. Prescribed to patients beginning in 1960, the drug became heavily prescribed in the 1990s, when the diagnosis of ADHD itself became more widely accepted.

We are straying away a bit from the base subject here of whether the use of Cannabis should be de-criminalised and made legal, and society's general attidude to it. But I can remember back to the 50's there was always the class joker who would rather throw blotting paper balls than do the lesson, and the class duffer who tried but couldn't learn. These days we would recognise that as probably ADHD and Dyslexia or Alexia. But if you have to bring up a child with ADHD it is almost impossible without medical assistance.

Perhaps a better question to be asked is whether the incidence of ADHD is growing, and if so why? Better diagnosis or on occasions just some plain naughty kids where it is just easier to class them as "special needs", and drug them to keep them quiet.

ADHD is over diagnosed at the moment. The poor behaviour you describe often has more to do with poor diet and children staying up very late playing video games. Of course the entire concept of expecting children to sit still at their desks of 5 hours a day is idiotic. So its no surprise that quite a few of them struggle with this unnatural situation.

ADHD is real, but once you meet a kid with ADHD there is no doubt that they have an actual problem. Simply throwing blotting paper balls is not a symptom of anything more than being bored.

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The poor behaviour you describe often has more to do with poor diet and children staying up very late playing video games.

Leave games out of this would you? Video games, thanks to the incessant blabbering of the media about the supposed negative effects is one of the most controlled activities by parents. The vast majority of parents are either present when the kids are playing games or have strict time limits on how much their kids are allowed to play games.

Besides a poor diet and absent parents are generally symptoms of a much bigger problem, namely poverty.

People you have wondered off the trail a bit .

I agree A.D.H.D is over prescribed and bad social circumstances contribute to drug use and over subscription of prescribed drug's such as OXYCONTIN , RITALIN and many other's.

But making drugs illegal only serves the crime gangs , both above mentioned drugs are big items on the illegal drug scene , and contribute to the over subscription of prescribed drugs.

would it not be better to treat additions as a health problem ?

To do that it needs to be decriminalized , and a national health system

To stop over prescribing of drugs you need some way of controlling the drugs at the source , and monitoring of this closely

Cannabis is the least health effect of all drugs . If cigarettes , alcohol , are legal and cause so many problems , why are they not illegal also ?

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The poor behaviour you describe often has more to do with poor diet and children staying up very late playing video games.

Leave games out of this would you? Video games, thanks to the incessant blabbering of the media about the supposed negative effects is one of the most controlled activities by parents. The vast majority of parents are either present when the kids are playing games or have strict time limits on how much their kids are allowed to play games.

Really? And how many classrooms have you stood in looking at the pale faces with dark circles under their eyes and hearing about how they've been up until 4am playing video games? Do tell. The kids get addicted and in some schools it was so bad that the parents were asked not to allow the kids to have TVs or game systems in their bedrooms.

Besides a poor diet and absent parents are generally symptoms of a much bigger problem, namely poverty.

Don't disagree. Whatever the cause, labelling as ADHD is not the solution.

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Of course the entire concept of expecting children to sit still at their desks of 5 hours a day is idiotic. So its no surprise that quite a few of them struggle with this unnatural situation.

Oh my word, no way Hosea am I having any of that!!! I did it, your mum did it, you probably did it. Is any one of us a disturbed personality because of it?

As an overly bright child I did not have a happy school experience. Especially in primary school. I certainly had trouble sitting still, bored for hours on end. I am sure my old teachers can vouch for that. I did not like school. Its one of life's ironys that I ended up a teacher, but I do try to make sure my students do not suffer the way I did.

What it did do for 2.5 hours in the morning and 2.5 hours in the afternoon, is actually educate us, and teach us to accept certain parameters of life that just had to be.

I learned more on my own than I ever learned at school. I did learn how to put up with idiots and stand up for myself...but academically, it was pretty much a waste of time and I skipped class an awful lot. Luckily back then all assessment was exam based so I was just fine.

As an avowed left winger, perhaps you would prefer to advocate this sort of approach to education. Liverpool

One of my friend's daughter's was educated in a Free School (no fixed curriculum and totally child centred). She has grown in a remarkable, self assured woman. I suspect it wouldn't work for every child, but for some it is better than the regular school.

We went to school in the 50's because we knew we had to, were expected to, and our parents made sure that we did so. And there were proper School Inspectors in those days that made sure it happened. We didn't quote Human rights when a teacher threw a wooden backed board rubber at us for not paying attention, we didn't sue teachers for assault because we got the slipper on our backside for talking in class. And neither did we fall out of school unemployable either.

I am glad your school experience was satisfactory for you. You also had more PE time scheduled back then that schools do know, so I suspect you got to run about more rather than spending so much time stuck at a desk trying to meet targets. I was lucky that he left wing schooling I went through was able to be flexible to my needs and the school let me just get on with it when I refused to read the silly books they wanted me to for English and let me pick my own (much more difficult) literature. I doubt they would have done that in your day. Of course in the golden age you are talking about I wouldn't have been allowed to study science at all and would have been forced to do something like typing instead. Thank goodness things have improved since you were at school.

Anyway, you clearly know very little about what school was like for me or what sort of student I was. I still struggle in sitting in classes or lectures that are too long and sometimes have to leave. I am not ADHD, I have a normal reaction to unnatural situations.

So please don't claim that because it was ok for you that it was ok for everyone.

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Total garbage!!! As a single student you have no idea how a family with kids operates, and what limits are imposed, and I might add in other countries. The world does not revolve around the Netherlands.

I actually wasn't talking about the Netherlands. Nor does me being single have any relevance in this discussion. And why? Because I know how to google some basic statistics.]Because I know how to google some statistics covering the subject

Really? And how many classrooms have you stood in looking at the pale faces with dark circles under their eyes and hearing about how they've been up until 4am playing video games? Do tell. The kids get addicted and in some schools it was so bad that the parents were asked not to allow the kids to have TVs or game systems in their bedrooms.

That doesn't mean that games represent only a minor cause of addiction. Does it happen? Sure. Is it a massive problem? No. Should it be listed as a reason why kids are all uncontrollable monsters and why society is falling apart? No.

Games are like sports, great for you if you play in moderation, but bad for you if you don't. Its just a little easier to abuse.

Мишель...

Education, Book Reading, Google, does not supplant, nor is superior, to Real Life Experiences.

Don't worry. All Life Experienced persons have been in your shoes.

After a few more decades of Life Experiences: You will understand.

A real life experience is just one experience. If you rely on them to much, they will warp your view and thinking that your real life experiences are what the majority of people experience. Statistics on the other hand, paint a much broader picture consisting of the aggregate experiences of many. So when making broad sweeping generalizations, then yeah, some statistical backing is superior than your singular real life experiences.

Its the difference between the big picture and the small picture.

Drugs - lovely stuff isn't it!

Sometimes, a picture does indeed paint a 1,000 words.

Drugs - lovely stuff isn't it!

Sometimes, a picture does indeed paint a 1,000 words.

Alcohol does not do the same?

Guess I don't need to post pictures and news reports, of alcohol abuse.

So, as an ex-Police Officer, do you feel indifference or it's a tragic waste of life?

Also, to see that they're not part of "the great unwashed" as others continuously mentions, makes one wonder!

Drugs - lovely stuff isn't it!

Sometimes, a picture does indeed paint a 1,000 words.

From the article:

Winning,’ he wrote.

I tried to help many people like that. Most of them can't be helped unfortunately. They always have their mind set.

[edit] Overall in Belgium, only 1,66% stays clean from heroin after rehabilitation, those are statistics:( heroin is the only hard drug tho that gives you an addiction physically. 'Kicking off' as they say, gives the same symptoms as flu.

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Was this Chris' happy times?
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-california-retrospective-20141023-story.html

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Was this Chris' happy times?
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-california-retrospective-20141023-story.html

I believe that was before his time:)

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Was this Chris' happy times?
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-california-retrospective-20141023-story.html

I believe that was before his time:)

Not that much before. From that report, with his mindset, it seems that the judge could be his blood brother :-)

Sirius this is a better liking of Chris


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Symons

However Chris i'm not so shore your as smart as Red is though IQ.163

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