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Message 1587722 - Posted: 16 Oct 2014, 9:33:24 UTC - in response to Message 1587709.  

But I wouldn't use ammonia (NH3) to do it.


Ammonia is the only substance that can turn cocaine into crack.


Bull excrement.

Sodium hydrogen carbonate... aka Sodium bicarbonate... aka Baking soda... NaHCO3


Go research the topic.

(Cocaine)HCl + NaHCO3 -------> (Cocaine) + H2O + CO2 + NaCl

Cocaine powder + Baking soda -------> Crack cocaine + Water + Carbon Dioxide + Table salt.
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Message 1587727 - Posted: 16 Oct 2014, 9:40:58 UTC - in response to Message 1587709.  

But I wouldn't use ammonia (NH3) to do it.


Ammonia is the only substance that can turn cocaine into crack.

Well I know nothing aboout this subject but a couple of websites and Wiki, say

“Crack” cocaine is a smokeable form of cocaine made into small “rocks” by processing cocaine with sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) and water."
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Message 1587739 - Posted: 16 Oct 2014, 10:30:37 UTC - in response to Message 1587261.  

It does make it easier to enforce something. However, why do we feel the need to enforce something that doesn't actually harm anyone (if indeed it does) but the user?

Enforce laws against smoking weed and driving. That seems fair.

Enforce laws about smoking around children or in public spaces. Why not?

A blanket ban on weed is actually ridiculous and disproportionate.

Of course we shall see what happens in Washington State and Colorado, but so far it hasn't been awful.

Well thats the problem with drugs, isnt it? You don't just harm yourself, you become a danger to your surroundings as well. This becomes especially true the harder the drugs get (or the the higher the THC percentage in the weed you smoke/otherwise ingest).

And I agree, weed is still relatively harmless, compared against other drugs. Which again, is why I support decriminalization. I just don't support outright legalization because I feel its better to keep weed locked in a corner where its tolerated and accepted but where it can't grow into 'big weed' like tobacco and alcohol. Its bad enough that those two are as big as they are, I dont think adding a third would be a great idea.
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Message 1587744 - Posted: 16 Oct 2014, 10:36:14 UTC - in response to Message 1587727.  

But I wouldn't use ammonia (NH3) to do it.


Ammonia is the only substance that can turn cocaine into crack.

Well I know nothing aboout this subject but a couple of websites and Wiki, say

“Crack” cocaine is a smokeable form of cocaine made into small “rocks” by processing cocaine with sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) and water."



I know a lot about the subject. Never in my lifetime have I seen anyone preparing crack with baking soda but after consulting the internet it looks possible, strange...
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Message 1587762 - Posted: 16 Oct 2014, 11:22:07 UTC - in response to Message 1587569.  

me thinks that tobacco companies are in a panic.
With the advent of e-cigarettes anyone still smoking tobacco is harbouring
a death wish and committing a slow suicide one pack at a time.
Within 2 weeks of me quitting tobacco, and getting a nicotine fix from e-cigs,
lung function, as measured by a spirometer, increased by 25%, all at 10% of the cost of tobacco.
As smoking is more than just an addiction to nicotine, e-cigs satisfy most of the non-nicotine
based functions of a cigarette. ( ie oral fixation, keeping the hands busy, and
deep breathing, which by itself stimulates the Vagus nerve causing relaxation.)
If tobacco companies lose sales to e-cigs then governments loose tax Euros and
they'll have to make up the difference through other products, or try to make e-cigs illegal.
Guess where all the talk is concentrated now? Banning nicotine based e-cigs.
That "Yes Prime Minister" segment isn't far off the mark.

Another good thing about the e-cigs is that i control the nicotine content and can quite easily reduce it down to zero.

This post just doesn't seem to jibe with a previous one of yours...

I guess it's a good thing i fly the flag of Uruguay.
It's all perfectly legal, and it's all good.


How are you able to smoke your "pot" without the use of tobacco?
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Message 1587763 - Posted: 16 Oct 2014, 11:23:30 UTC - in response to Message 1587762.  

me thinks that tobacco companies are in a panic.
With the advent of e-cigarettes anyone still smoking tobacco is harbouring
a death wish and committing a slow suicide one pack at a time.
Within 2 weeks of me quitting tobacco, and getting a nicotine fix from e-cigs,
lung function, as measured by a spirometer, increased by 25%, all at 10% of the cost of tobacco.
As smoking is more than just an addiction to nicotine, e-cigs satisfy most of the non-nicotine
based functions of a cigarette. ( ie oral fixation, keeping the hands busy, and
deep breathing, which by itself stimulates the Vagus nerve causing relaxation.)
If tobacco companies lose sales to e-cigs then governments loose tax Euros and
they'll have to make up the difference through other products, or try to make e-cigs illegal.
Guess where all the talk is concentrated now? Banning nicotine based e-cigs.
That "Yes Prime Minister" segment isn't far off the mark.

Another good thing about the e-cigs is that i control the nicotine content and can quite easily reduce it down to zero.

This post just doesn't seem to jibe with a previous one of yours...

I guess it's a good thing i fly the flag of Uruguay.
It's all perfectly legal, and it's all good.


How are you able to smoke your "pot" without the use of tobacco?


People smoke weed without tobacco all the time. Usually they smoke it in a so called 'bong' then.
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Message 1587781 - Posted: 16 Oct 2014, 13:19:18 UTC - in response to Message 1587764.  

I guess you're one of those people who can't tell the difference between 1 litre of beer, 1 litre of wine, or 1 litre of vodka, it's all the same. It's all about the volume.
The rights of the individual to partake of something that they consider less harmful than the alternatives you offer mean nothing to you?
So you are a Statist leaning more to the dictatorial side?

No, but the higher the THC percentage in your joint, the bigger the effect. Of course, if you compensate it by putting less of it in your joint, it wouldn't matter. But I have yet to see someone put less weed in their joint because the THC percentage is higher. The amount of weed stays the same, in order to get a bigger hit out of it. In any case, the more stoned out of your mind you get, the bigger the risk you pose to your environment.

And I told you, I support decriminalization, so if people want to partake in taking drugs I won't hassle them over it. But I'm not gonna approve of it either.
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Message 1587906 - Posted: 16 Oct 2014, 18:23:59 UTC

I think of a world free of addictive stuff of all kinds.
That would be a souber world.

//I need to add I smoked ordinary cigarettes for 34years...Why was I so stupid?
I also use alcohol in small amounts. Why do I dp that?

It is because it is socialy accepted and it is available everywhere!!

WHY??!?
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Message 1587907 - Posted: 16 Oct 2014, 18:26:00 UTC

addictive stuff of all kinds


Great, no salt!




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Message 1587909 - Posted: 16 Oct 2014, 18:28:04 UTC - in response to Message 1587906.  
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I think of a world free of addictive stuff of all kinds.That would be a souber world.//I need to add I smoked ordinary cigarettes for 34years...Why was I so stupid? I also use alcohol in small amounts. Why do I dp that?It is because it is socialy accepted and it is available everywhere!!WHY??!?


I have an addictive nature, it's in my genes on my fathers side. The fact you are posting this here means you can handle it well, it's no heroin you know:)
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Message 1588130 - Posted: 17 Oct 2014, 4:31:28 UTC - in response to Message 1587922.  

Apparently Nicotine, except for its additive qualities, is not especially harmful to the Human Body.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine wrote:
The LD50 of nicotine is 50 mg/kg for rats and 3 mg/kg for mice. 30–60 mg (0.5–1.0 mg/kg) can be a lethal dosage for adult humans. However the widely used human LD50 estimate of 0.5–1.0 mg/kg was questioned in a 2013 review, in light of several documented cases of humans surviving much higher doses; the 2013 review suggests that the lower limit causing fatal outcomes is 500–1000 mg of ingested nicotine, corresponding to 6.5–13 mg/kg orally. Nevertheless nicotine has a relatively high toxicity in comparison to many other alkaloids such as caffeine, which has an LD50of 127 mg/kg when administered to mice.

It will kill you and you say it isn't harmful. Very glad you aren't a doctor.
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Message 1588203 - Posted: 17 Oct 2014, 8:39:26 UTC - in response to Message 1587909.  

I think of a world free of addictive stuff of all kinds.That would be a souber world.//I need to add I smoked ordinary cigarettes for 34years...Why was I so stupid? I also use alcohol in small amounts. Why do I dp that?It is because it is socialy accepted and it is available everywhere!!WHY??!?


I have an addictive nature, it's in my genes on my fathers side. The fact you are posting this here means you can handle it well, it's no heroin you know:)


Well, if it wasn't available everywhere you wouldn't get your hands on it.
Addictive nature or not.
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Message 1588236 - Posted: 17 Oct 2014, 10:38:48 UTC - in response to Message 1588203.  

I think of a world free of addictive stuff of all kinds.That would be a souber world.//I need to add I smoked ordinary cigarettes for 34years...Why was I so stupid? I also use alcohol in small amounts. Why do I dp that?It is because it is socialy accepted and it is available everywhere!!WHY??!?


I have an addictive nature, it's in my genes on my fathers side. The fact you are posting this here means you can handle it well, it's no heroin you know:)


Well, if it wasn't available everywhere you wouldn't get your hands on it.
Addictive nature or not.



True, but tell me something that isn't available these days!
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Message 1588250 - Posted: 17 Oct 2014, 11:22:39 UTC - in response to Message 1588221.  

Well, if it wasn't available everywhere you wouldn't get your hands on it.

That is not a realistic comment. There will always be a black market and under the counter dealings for any commodity that there is a demand for, whether it is in short supply or illegal. It ranges from drugs to guns to almost anything you want to name. If it can be produced it will be. It would be physically impossible to wipe out and destroy every type of Cannabis plant in the world, such that it never grew again. If people want heroin or cocaine, or LSD etc it will always be available at a price, just maybe a bit more difficult to get hold of at times. How do you think that the Continent of South America funds it's existence?

That's true, and banning something often leads to the creation of a black market for it, with all associated risks such as adulteration, extortion, theft, etc.
Supply the stuff legally, with accepted minimum quality levels, and you cut down on the associated crime.
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Message 1588256 - Posted: 17 Oct 2014, 12:07:25 UTC - in response to Message 1588255.  

Supply the stuff legally, with accepted minimum quality levels, and you cut down on the associated crime.

Organised crime in the supply chain maybe yes, but NOT petty crime to fund peoples personal habits. I can't supply figures, although I am sure that there are some if I searched hard enough, but I would suggest that not all Class A and hard drug users can comfortably afford their addiction. They will likely steal to fund it or beg.

Here is case in point. There is a local park, and quite often you will see some bedraggled and unkempt guy in his twenties skulking behind the gates. An equally scruffy woman walks up and down the road accosting passers by for money saying she has broken down in her car and needs to get home to her kids, or some such story. If she gets enough, there is a phone call from the local telephone box, and 5 minutes later a beat up old car arrives outside the park, with Asians in it, and things change hands. The pair of them then shuffle off up the road to god knows where.

They have been reported to the police many times (just once by me) and they get moved on, yet they are still around for about 2 years now. He is obviously on the heavy stuff and uses his girlfriend to beg to fund it. How do you deal with that then?

You're still using an illegal supplier as a comparison point.

If the stuff were available in shops; the price would probably be lower (i said probably), there would be less harmful substances mixed with it (drain cleaner, sodium bicarbonate, brick dust, who knows) and the purity would be higher so less would be needed overall. Plus, one could supply clean needles or whatever paraphernalia is necessary thus reducing secondary infections and other complications.
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Message 1588259 - Posted: 17 Oct 2014, 12:15:24 UTC - in response to Message 1588255.  

Well, first off, you could try writing to the local Environmental Health office & after getting the usual reply,
fire off a complaint to your local police division, & again after getting the usual reply,
Write to your MP.
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Message 1588272 - Posted: 17 Oct 2014, 12:49:48 UTC

Or i could beat myself over the head with a paddle and get much the same response.

MPs don't like having their opinions challenged, and drugs have had so much propaganda as life-destroying evil things that must be eradicated, they won't back down now.
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Message 1588279 - Posted: 17 Oct 2014, 12:55:55 UTC - in response to Message 1588272.  

Or i could beat myself over the head with a paddle and get much the same response.

Drugs don't like having their opinions challenged, and MP's have had so much propaganda as life-destroying evil things that must be eradicated, they won't back down now.


Looks much better this way :-)
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Message 1588285 - Posted: 17 Oct 2014, 13:15:18 UTC

That did raise a giggle.
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Message 1588290 - Posted: 17 Oct 2014, 13:33:47 UTC - in response to Message 1588256.  
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Supply the stuff legally, with accepted minimum quality levels, and you cut down on the associated crime.

Organised crime in the supply chain maybe yes, but NOT petty crime to fund peoples personal habits. I can't supply figures, although I am sure that there are some if I searched hard enough, but I would suggest that not all Class A and hard drug users can comfortably afford their addiction. They will likely steal to fund it or beg.

Here is case in point. There is a local park, and quite often you will see some bedraggled and unkempt guy in his twenties skulking behind the gates. An equally scruffy woman walks up and down the road accosting passers by for money saying she has broken down in her car and needs to get home to her kids, or some such story. If she gets enough, there is a phone call from the local telephone box, and 5 minutes later a beat up old car arrives outside the park, with Asians in it, and things change hands. The pair of them then shuffle off up the road to god knows where.

They have been reported to the police many times (just once by me) and they get moved on, yet they are still around for about 2 years now. He is obviously on the heavy stuff and uses his girlfriend to beg to fund it. How do you deal with that then?

You're still using an illegal supplier as a comparison point.

If the stuff were available in shops; the price would probably be lower (i said probably), there would be less harmful substances mixed with it (drain cleaner, sodium bicarbonate, brick dust, who knows) and the purity would be higher so less would be needed overall. Plus, one could supply clean needles or whatever paraphernalia is necessary thus reducing secondary infections and other complications.



We have authoritative sources over here who provide clean needles and everything else an addict needs to get a 'clean shot' like disinfection swabs and such. In pharmacies one can also find synthetic amphetamine and cocaine as well as medical weed.
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