There is no reason to stigmatise people for doing something that is relatively harmless when used in a sensible way.

There lies the problem.

Truely, more than a few will NOT use it in a sensible way... Just like with ethanol-containing beverages, tobacco, etc.

Well I found most pot users arrogant. They don't care where they tote up.

I'm a smoker, yet have never smoked in anyone else's vehicle or homes, even though several are smokers themselves. It's principals. Something I've not seen potheads have.

The latest fashion...

Just for potheads

Love one comment though...

"How do the customers know what marijuana smells like?"

There is no reason to stigmatise people for doing something that is relatively harmless when used in a sensible way.

There lies the problem.

Truely, more than a few will NOT use it in a sensible way... Just like with ethanol-containing beverages, tobacco, etc.

Well I found most pot users arrogant. They don't care where they tote up.

I'm a smoker, yet have never smoked in anyone else's vehicle or homes, even though several are smokers themselves. It's principals. Something I've not seen potheads have.

Cyruus using your logic would ban everything, for anything can be abused.

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There is no reason to stigmatise people for doing something that is relatively harmless when used in a sensible way.

There lies the problem.

Truely, more than a few will NOT use it in a sensible way... Just like with ethanol-containing beverages, tobacco, etc.

Well I found most pot users arrogant. They don't care where they tote up.

I'm a smoker, yet have never smoked in anyone else's vehicle or homes, even though several are smokers themselves. It's principals. Something I've not seen potheads have.

Cyruus using your logic would ban everything, for anything can be abused.

Really, don't you have any principals at all?

All Knowing said:

I'm a smoker

OzzFan 'is' Correct. There 'is' Circular Regularity, so A Hit 'is' OKie Dopey.


GOD has Vices.

Sweetness.

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Really, don't you have any principals at all?

No, Iv'e smoked on a daily basis for the last 45 years or so.

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I'm a smoker, yet have never smoked in anyone else's vehicle or homes, even though several are smokers themselves. It's principals. Something I've not seen potheads have.

Agree...

As I have said before. There is a part of the Left Wing Pot Smoking Culture, who relishes blowing Pot Smoke in other peoples faces.

They are hiding their disgusting and self-centered actions, by calling it Social Protest.

Typical of them.

More sweeping generalisations.

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After you have read these http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=double+blind+Cannabinoids+study&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_vis=1 then maybe you will have enough knowledge to comment in this thread. Otherwise all I see here is reefer madness.

As to use, I'm Libertarian. Let them smoke, or use anything else. Just comes with a couple of catches. First you get a users card which you have to show to buy and the purchase is recorded. Second that users card is a DNR order. Third that card in an organ donor card, if a Doctor thinks any part of you isn't too drug addled to be of use to another, they cut it out. Fourth, you can't refuse a blood test if you are ever given a traffic ticket or involved in a motor vehicle accident. Fifth, if you have a drivers license, you are required to carry 5 times the regular liability and your insurance company has to have a users endorsement. Oh, don't get caught using and not have a card.

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After you have read these http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=double+blind+Cannabinoids+study&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_vis=1 then maybe you will have enough knowledge to comment in this thread. Otherwise all I see here is reefer madness.

As to use, I'm Libertarian. Let them smoke, or use anything else. Just comes with a couple of catches. First you get a users card which you have to show to buy and the purchase is recorded. Second that users card is a DNR order. Third that card in an organ donor card, if a Doctor thinks any part of you isn't too drug addled to be of use to another, they cut it out. Fourth, you can't refuse a blood test if you are ever given a traffic ticket or involved in a motor vehicle accident. Fifth, if you have a drivers license, you are required to carry 5 times the regular liability and your insurance company has to have a users endorsement. Oh, don't get caught using and not have a card.

Well there is a version of "libertarian" I've never come across.

I assume that all people who use alcohol should undergo the same measures?

You link to articles that show how canaboids can help sick people then in the next paragraph you demand that these sick people have to carry a DNR order.

Why not just make them wear a yellow star and have done with it?

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[I assume that all people who use alcohol should undergo the same measures?

Why not? Tobacco users too. If you engage in self destructive behaviors, society should not be required to pick up after you. You could look at it the same as if you pollute, you pick up after yourself, not society.

You link to articles that show how canaboids can help sick people then in the next paragraph you demand that these sick people have to carry a DNR order.

Sick people have prescriptions to present, recreational users don't.

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The third mod supporting use of an illegal substance.

Well I didn't actually say I supported it I said that there are a lot of people using it who you might not suspect, you probably won't be arrested for carrying small amounts.

Also I am not as convinced as you that it turns people in to psychotic wrecks.

And yes I would use it for pain relief if it helped.

PS. This is the politics forum, it is why it exists, for calm rational discussion of important topics!!

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To the narrow-minded people here: (I only see one)


Wake up and smell the coffee! You're living in the 21st century!

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Did you even read my post.

Its not that clear...and it is starting to look like the benefits outweigh the risks.

ffs, will you just read the damn article? None of these risks have been proven.

No the only thing that isn't clear is the degree of how bad it is, not that its bad. There will never be a study that says that weed is healthy or even just harmless. Big difference.

I know lots of people who have been life long users of cannabis and suffered no long term ill effects. I know lots and lots of people who have suffered terrible effects from the use of alcohol. There is no reason to stigmatise people for doing something that is relatively harmless when used in a sensible way.

And all the people I know who used weed were self medicating for issues that they really needed to see a doctor or psychologist for. The thing is that weed is a substance that is easily abused. So why open it up for everyone and tell them that its harmless? Smoking weed is simply not something that we should encourage people to do, ever. I agree that if they wanna do it anyways, fine, I don't wanna put people in jail for poisoning themselves, thats their own problem. But again, if you decriminalize it, you also dont end up putting people in jail for using it. But at least you are also not encouraging its use. Its basically telling people that its a bad thing to do but if they are gonna do it, youre gonna look the other way.

Agreed, they are actually bad. However, I do not think that making them illegal is helping. In fact it is making the problem worse.

We are creating a problem by punishing the users of those drugs, who are essentially just victims. I agree, we shouldn't be putting people in jail for possession of any kind of drug. But again, you can do that without legalizing pure poison. You could just tell the police to go after dealers and the people that make it.

They will be very little profit in getting people addicted to a drug that they will be able to by legally. If these dealers are out of business then I don't they will be selling the drugs at schools.

Yeah but school kids can't get it legally so they are still forced to rely on dealers. Again you can see it in the US with guns, despite the fact that its pretty easy to get guns legally, there are still plenty of people who get their guns illegally. The fact that there are legal gun sellers has not resulted in all the illegal sellers going out of business. Your assumption that all the illegal dealers will instantly go out of business when there is a legal alternative is simply not true. The evidence on that is very clear.

Guns are not addictive and actual gun ownership in the US has actually decreased. Only a few die hard nut jobs are determined to own a gun.

Only a few? 34% of the population are not 'a few'. On top of that, it still does not disprove the fact that there are illegal dealers who sell either guns that you are normally not allowed to sell or who sell to people who are normally not allowed to buy.

And while the percentage of the population who owns a gun may be down, gun sales are not decreasing. So fewer people with just more guns.

Any person who uses heroin more than a few times ends up physically addicted. So considering how the production and sales of heroin have rocketed since it was made illegal I'd say that policy has been a catastrophic failure.

Again how do you know that any of that has actually gone up? How do you know the production hasn't stayed the same but that it only appears to go up in the statistics because you only really started to count them since it was made illegal?

Furthermore, how do you know its not the result of other factors? For example, the US invasion of Afghanistan?

So you agree that marijuana is not particularly addictive?

Compared to crack or meth? Sure. But that only makes weed look good by comparison to worse stuff. Weed is still addictive and its still something that can easily be abused.

That says more about your social circle than anything.

The same can be said about your social circle.

I know a large amount of people that smoke weed and a large amount of people that drink. I'd definitely say that alcohol is a bigger problem for people.

Ahh British drinking culture. A culture that easily rivals the Eastern European drinking culture.

But yeah, great idea, put another addictive substance in the hands of the people who already systematically abuse alcohol. Lets see how long it takes before they descend from the occasional joint or hit of a bong to smoking 2 or 3 joints a day.

Are you suggesting that you would go around murdering and raping people if it weren't illegal? Not sure what point you are making here and if it reflects well on you.

Do you know what happens in cities where the police goes on strike? It generally ends with some government official declaring a state of emergency and calling in the army or national guard to put a stop to all the looting and the fighting on the streets. So I can safely say that I wouldn't rape or murder anyone whatever the law says, the fact is that a lot of other people do need some authority figure telling them that they can't do certain things. And that even goes as far as rape. Why do you think rape is so prevalent in a country like India, which has for the most part very weak anti rape laws and an even weaker policy of enforcing those laws.

On top of that, I'd like to add that laws contain some form of moral authority. They are the collective agreements people within a society made about what is and isn't acceptable behavior. Legalizing certain behavior thus comes down to collectively agreeing that such behavior is now considered to be acceptable behavior. So yeah, you could legalize rape and murder and hope that no one does it because they are hopefully decent human beings, but fact remains that you essentially said that rape is from that point on considered to be acceptable behavior. So even if legalizing rape or murder would make difference in the crime statistics, I would still never stand for it because of the implication it brings.

You are in such denial if you don't understand that those gates are already open. I applaud you for the sheltered life you have led.

No they aren't. All we see now are the effects of a failing drug policy. Thats not the same as having opened the flood gates. And please, I'm Dutch. If I want I just have to walk down a few streets to get to the nearest coffeeshop. The fact that I don't associate with drugs other than coffee and alcohol is entirely my choice.

After you have read these http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=double+blind+Cannabinoids+study&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_vis=1 then maybe you will have enough knowledge to comment in this thread. Otherwise all I see here is reefer madness.

As to use, I'm Libertarian. Let them smoke, or use anything else. Just comes with a couple of catches. First you get a users card which you have to show to buy and the purchase is recorded. Second that users card is a DNR order. Third that card in an organ donor card, if a Doctor thinks any part of you isn't too drug addled to be of use to another, they cut it out. Fourth, you can't refuse a blood test if you are ever given a traffic ticket or involved in a motor vehicle accident. Fifth, if you have a drivers license, you are required to carry 5 times the regular liability and your insurance company has to have a users endorsement. Oh, don't get caught using and not have a card.

You're the most fascist 'libertarian' i've ever come across.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

In this case. What is Legal and Illegal, is purely artificial.

Especially when something is illegal because of a campaign run against it by a media mogul to protect his interests in the timber industry, because hemp is a cheaper raw material than wood for making paper.
For reference, see William Randolph Hearst.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

Just calling it Cannabis or Marijuana seems to get some people to just think "psychoactive drug", but call it Hemp and those same people suddenly think, rope, cloth, paper, etc,......

Cheers.

'Self-Medication' Centers, as in Blade Runner 'is' The Way To Go.

Food 'is' A Drug.

Adrenaline is a Drug.

As The Great OzzFan has mentioned, our Body 'Illegally' 'Self-Medicates'.

So, Drug On, Broheims and Broheimettes.

Sweetness. Candy is A Drug.

Sunshine is A Drug.

On and On and On and On.

Opinions are A Drug.

Dr. HO HUM Gots Plenty Opinions and As 'You' Can 'See' 'is' 'Stoned' All The Time

HO HUM. Beat Dat Illegal-Legal Crappola DRum.

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I would suggest that one of the main reasons for the incidences of rape in India is because of how their society views women. They are seen as mere chattels to be "used" for work, giving birth and sex. The dowry system is still in widespread use there despite the 1961 Dowry Prohibition Act in Indian civil law, and subsequently by Sections 304B and 498a of the Indian Penal Code. That attitude to women in general is the main reason why the laws are not enforced, because Indian society doesn't want them to be. But there is another thread for this discussion.

I agree. But it still suits my point. Es asked whether I would start raping and murdering if there wasn't a law against it. I wouldn't, but as India proves, if you got a society that basically tells its men that rape is 'okay' you can see the result.

So clearly you need laws and strictly enforce those laws in order to combat rape.

The only reason i can see for certain people not knowing smart, productive, and
creative people who partake of cannabis is that, those certain people are so
obnoxious in person as to make all with heightened sensibilities avoid them like the plague.
It doesn't say much about cannabis, but does say a lot about those being shunned.

That statement says more about pot users than you realise. You need to "smoke" less of it friend!

Perhaps in principle, the ban would be a good thing, but it would be totally unenforceable over 20,000 acres in practice. Although in 2011, New York introduced a ban on smoking in Central Park's 843 acres and all of the city's other parks and beaches. How is that working?

There was a time when this was a free country...

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Well, you can blame the modern version of the brass monkeys for that, I'm sure the Yanks can provide their version...


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