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Message 1593354 - Posted: 28 Oct 2014, 7:37:33 UTC

Looks like he who shouts his name is still up to his usual silly tactics. :-(

which is why a lot of people are ignoring his posts or being advised just to ignore him altogether

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Message 1593547 - Posted: 28 Oct 2014, 22:40:34 UTC - in response to Message 1593505.  

Cliff it is not just blacks who are being disenfranchised, it is any demographic group who might not back the conservatives. These include college students, the poor, and the elderly.

College Students, The Poor (They are on assistance), and The Elderly don't have Photo ID?

If ANYONE Doesn't have ID: They are allowed to vote! and are given a Provisional Ballot. Then their vote, after confirmation, by Both Parties, and other interested organizations, are counted.

The Disenfranchisement Ideologue's are again showing they have another agenda.

Anything new? No.

https://www.aclu.org/voting-rights/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/splc-founder-morris-dees-on-why-the-voting-rights-act-still-matters

Where are you getting that info they they can get a provisional ballot? Where are you getting the info that any of those forms of photo ID are acceptable for voting? Mind you there are multiple states involved so you will have to cite laws in each of those states.
http://www.cooks.com/rec/search/0,1-0,crow,FF.html

Gary...

You are getting very boring and tiring, as all Ideologues are. You, and other's make Big Lie Attacks (voter ID Laws Disenfranchise people with ID's)WHAT!!! and stating you do not know about Provisional Ballots.

Gary... I believe you do know about them, but The Truth NEVER stopped Ideologues.

What your Increasing Obsession with my post shows me this:

You can not accept the Thinking Persons hold The Left, in the SAME Contempt and Disgust, as The Right.

Anyway, answer to your question. NPR (National Public Radio- Liberal), 3 days ago:

The fail-safe for many voters who run into problems at the polls — such as a lack of ID or an outdated address — is called provisional voting. The person votes, and his or her ballot only counts after the problem is resolved.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2014/10/09/354534487/rules-for-provisional-ballots-all-over-the-map

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Message 1593876 - Posted: 29 Oct 2014, 16:36:36 UTC - in response to Message 1593091.  

Gary IIRC computers as we know them were created primarly by the military.

IIRC no general purpose computers were created by the military.

Ah you qualify your statement.
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Message 1593898 - Posted: 29 Oct 2014, 17:31:16 UTC - in response to Message 1593876.  

Gary IIRC computers as we know them were created primarly by the military.

IIRC no general purpose computers were created by the military.

Ah you qualify your statement.

I'm not even sure that any computers were created by the military. The slipstick and gears have been around for a long time.
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Message 1594201 - Posted: 30 Oct 2014, 4:28:10 UTC - in response to Message 1594196.  
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It does feel good to say Silly and Right/Left wing though doesn't it?
For a Centrist you shore got sum Xtreme Pinions.

Centrist?! ROTFLMAO
Round about the caldron go;
Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn, and caldron bubble.
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Message 1594251 - Posted: 30 Oct 2014, 8:27:36 UTC - in response to Message 1594185.  

Capitalism produces the Jobs (Private and Government), which Provide the Almighty Consumer.

Ah the great lie, Capitalism is here to serve you. No, its not, its only there to serve itself. If capitalism serves you in any way, if it provides you with a job and income in any way, its purely a byproduct of the capitalists self interest. The moment that self interest deems itself better off without you, your job and your income are gone.

Does capitalism create jobs? Sure, when the self interest of capitalist dictates it requires people to further the capitalist's self interest more efficiently. But its far more likely to destroy jobs through various ways. Either by relocating jobs to low wage countries, soon by replacing people with robots and automated computer systems or by simply being successful and growing so big it simply wipes out huge chunks of the competitors.
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Message 1594278 - Posted: 30 Oct 2014, 9:56:13 UTC


It does feel good to say Silly and Right/Left wing though doesn't it?
For a Centrist you shore got sum Xtreme Pinions.

I'm glad that I'm not the only 1 who sees "he who must shout his name" that way.

The only thing that I can see that centrist about him is all the extremes that he, "he who must shout his name", covers while revolving around the center, but at great distances. ;-)

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Message 1594325 - Posted: 30 Oct 2014, 11:51:44 UTC

Oh, did I hear someone shouting in here?

It must of been my imagination again.

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Message 1594383 - Posted: 30 Oct 2014, 14:25:31 UTC - in response to Message 1594342.  

Who said that? No one.

Libertarians say it all the time ;)

Don't believe The Government, as of now, is the correct solution.

I have never mentioned the government in that post.
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Message 1594468 - Posted: 30 Oct 2014, 17:30:33 UTC - in response to Message 1594462.  

Regarding Government (State): The usual stated alternative to Capitalism (Private Enterprise) is Socialism (State Enterprise). Am I incorrect?

laissez faire vs. command
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Message 1594534 - Posted: 30 Oct 2014, 19:32:34 UTC - in response to Message 1594509.  

What is their expertise? What new and successful products, have they launched? What large, successful Company's have they run?

If it is Command (Government), the answer is none.

They run a country. I'd say thats sufficient proof of being capable of running a large scale organization. Perhaps that is also their weakness. They are best suited for running large scale organizations, while economic enterprises are generally a lot smaller.

The thing is, if the government really wants to, it can perfectly run companies, even at a profit. All they need to do is hire the right managers to run the day to day operations. The idea that only a free market can run businesses effectively is just total nonsense.
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Message 1594560 - Posted: 30 Oct 2014, 20:07:35 UTC - in response to Message 1594534.  

What is their expertise? What new and successful products, have they launched? What large, successful Company's have they run?

If it is Command (Government), the answer is none.

They run a country. I'd say thats sufficient proof of being capable of running a large scale organization. Perhaps that is also their weakness. They are best suited for running large scale organizations, while economic enterprises are generally a lot smaller.

The thing is, if the government really wants to, it can perfectly run companies, even at a profit. All they need to do is hire the right managers to run the day to day operations. The idea that only a free market can run businesses effectively is just total nonsense.


Correct, but will the Snivel Serpents let them? The right managers would not hesitate to get rid of all "Dross" that permeates an organisation!
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Message 1594646 - Posted: 30 Oct 2014, 22:40:16 UTC - in response to Message 1594509.  

Who, or What, Commands.[sic]

Irrelevant to economics.

However, I'm sure it is highly relevant to baiting.

So why don't we fill it in with "the Elders" Oh, wait. That doesn't fit in your preconceptions. You can't bait the hook with that one.
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Message 1594724 - Posted: 31 Oct 2014, 3:09:01 UTC - in response to Message 1594462.  

The usual stated alternative to Capitalism (Private Enterprise) is Socialism (State Enterprise). Am I incorrect?

No, it is easy to see the west is evolving towards feudalism.
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Message 1594813 - Posted: 31 Oct 2014, 9:21:14 UTC - in response to Message 1594572.  

You're joking. Aren't you?

OK... Now I get it.

You want to replace corrupt, greedy Capitalists, with corrupt, greedy, incompetent's, who run our Government's.

The only reason why your government is currently filled with idiots and incompetents is because you have been voting for idiots and incompetents. There is even a party that proudly states just how incompetent they really are and thats the reason people vote for them!

But incompetence is not the natural state of a government. Again, they did manage to build up the country to where it is now. That is overwhelmingly due to government managing it, at least well enough so it didn't completely collapse, but in a lot of cases they even managed to leave place in a better and stronger state then when they got in office.
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Message 1594815 - Posted: 31 Oct 2014, 9:24:27 UTC - in response to Message 1594560.  

Correct, but will the Snivel Serpents let them? The right managers would not hesitate to get rid of all "Dross" that permeates an organisation!

That is a fair question. Ideally a government run company is only owned by the government (majority share holder) but where the internal structure is otherwise completely politically independent.
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Message 1594886 - Posted: 31 Oct 2014, 13:48:55 UTC - in response to Message 1594815.  

Correct, but will the Snivel Serpents let them? The right managers would not hesitate to get rid of all "Dross" that permeates an organisation!

That is a fair question. Ideally a government run company is only owned by the government (majority share holder) but where the internal structure is otherwise completely politically independent.

Like the government owning a bunch of GM stock right when those ignition switches were being put in cars so they as shareholder may have to bear the costs of those lawsuits? Ah the sharks, er lawyers, smell blood, er unlimited deep pocket, in the water.
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Message 1594889 - Posted: 31 Oct 2014, 13:53:12 UTC - in response to Message 1594886.  

Like the government owning a bunch of GM stock right when those ignition switches were being put in cars so they as shareholder may have to bear the costs of those lawsuits? Ah the sharks, er lawyers, smell blood, er unlimited deep pocket, in the water.

Remember how you can't sue the government? Aside from that, the hope would be that because the government would own those companies, the companies do become politically accountable in case something goes really wrong.
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Message 1594902 - Posted: 31 Oct 2014, 14:13:19 UTC - in response to Message 1594891.  

Since people DO vote for these people, and unless Humans evolve, will ALWAYS vote for these people:

Incompetence IS the Natural State of Government.

They werent back when they were voting for Kennedy, Roosevelt, Nixon or Reagan.

Also, this is just the tiny top of the government were talking about. This is leaving out the very competent civil servants and bureaucrats who are the real people ensuring the country doesn't fall apart. And they are also the reason why the effects of idiots in congress or the white house have not had more devastating effects.
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Message 1595037 - Posted: 31 Oct 2014, 18:51:39 UTC - in response to Message 1594907.  

Having an occasional 'Good King', does not make Kingdom's correct.

The difference from Roosevelt (both) and Kennedy, to the present: Is the Vast Expansion of Government Authority and Regulator's, above and beyond what they did, and was necessary.

The Incompetence is now more , and more, obvious.

We are living in a world that becomes increasingly more and more complex every day. Its logical and necessary that this results in more government regulators. To put it simply, there is just so much more that needs to be regulated these days.
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