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Message 1574498 - Posted: 19 Sep 2014, 19:19:14 UTC - in response to Message 1574456.  

and produce aesthetic designs.


Which is an art form in itself.

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Message 1574514 - Posted: 19 Sep 2014, 19:29:59 UTC

Art, like beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Which one is the odd one out?

1: St Paul's Cathedral
2: Sydney Opera House
3: The Shard
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Message 1574518 - Posted: 19 Sep 2014, 19:36:27 UTC - in response to Message 1574514.  
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Art, like beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Which one is the odd one out?

1: St Paul's Cathedral
2: Sydney Opera House
3: The Shard


My vote goes for nr 4 MOBA
http://www.museumofbadart.org/
Art too bad to be ignored
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Message 1574567 - Posted: 19 Sep 2014, 20:46:10 UTC
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Art, like beauty is in the eye of the beholder


As I believe this thread has ably demonstrated, people can say "The Birth of Venus is an 1486 painting by Botticelli, and is most definitely art" but it leaves me totally unimpressed.

I see a lot of buildings here in London and all round the world that in my opinion were designed by artists and are art.

Please note the phrase "in my opinion", you cannot state "well that is art and that is not" Unless you first say "in my opinion"

What people consider art varies,

All would probably agree that this is art



However most would say this is not. As it is just a photograph



However I would be happy with both or either on my wall.

The photo took time for the conditions to be just right, I took lots of shots with different settings at different levels of light, and I like to think of photography as "my art", as I lack the talent to paint or draw.

Art is what pleases you and what attracts your eye. Simple or complicated, art is what you want it to be.

Long live freedom to decide what I consider to be art. No one can "tell" me what to like.
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Message 1574574 - Posted: 19 Sep 2014, 21:03:59 UTC - in response to Message 1574567.  
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Art is what pleases you and what attracts your eye. Simple or complicated, art is what you want it to be.
Long live freedom to decide what I consider to be art. No one can "tell" me what to like.

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London is both beautiful and artistic.
Perhaps not everywhere in my opinion:)
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Message 1574860 - Posted: 20 Sep 2014, 3:12:00 UTC - in response to Message 1574514.  
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Which one is the odd one out?

1: St Paul's Cathedral
2: Sydney Opera House
3: The Shard



I'm guessing you don't like the Shard Sirius

now if they didn't build it The Doctor could not have driven his bike up it !
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Message 1575023 - Posted: 20 Sep 2014, 13:15:21 UTC - in response to Message 1574937.  

But having said that some photographs have achieved worldwide fame and iconic status. The Athena tennis girl for instance, and the 1972 naked Vietnamese girl running down the road that won the Pulitzer prize.

In the art world, collectors will pay extraordinary sums for rarity value. An 18C Qianlong dynasty Chinese porcelain vase went for £53 Million in 2010, I wouldn't give it house room!

Pulitzer prize is not for art.
Those paying ridiculous amount of Money for art are only investing capital and hide the art for the public. Real art are meant to been seen by the public!
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Message 1575042 - Posted: 20 Sep 2014, 14:56:11 UTC - in response to Message 1575023.  

But having said that some photographs have achieved worldwide fame and iconic status. The Athena tennis girl for instance, and the 1972 naked Vietnamese girl running down the road that won the Pulitzer prize.

In the art world, collectors will pay extraordinary sums for rarity value. An 18C Qianlong dynasty Chinese porcelain vase went for £53 Million in 2010, I wouldn't give it house room!

Pulitzer prize is not for art.
Those paying ridiculous amount of Money for art are only investing capital and hide the art for the public. Real art are meant to been seen by the public!

Not really. Art should be displayed according to the wish of the patron. I do like it when art becomes available to the public but if somebody payed for the creation of art, they have the right to keep it private.
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Message 1575044 - Posted: 20 Sep 2014, 15:12:23 UTC - in response to Message 1575042.  

But having said that some photographs have achieved worldwide fame and iconic status. The Athena tennis girl for instance, and the 1972 naked Vietnamese girl running down the road that won the Pulitzer prize.

In the art world, collectors will pay extraordinary sums for rarity value. An 18C Qianlong dynasty Chinese porcelain vase went for £53 Million in 2010, I wouldn't give it house room!

Pulitzer prize is not for art.
Those paying ridiculous amount of Money for art are only investing capital and hide the art for the public. Real art are meant to been seen by the public!

Not really. Art should be displayed according to the wish of the patron. I do like it when art becomes available to the public but if somebody payed for the creation of art, they have the right to keep it private.

Nonsens!
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Message 1575050 - Posted: 20 Sep 2014, 15:25:28 UTC - in response to Message 1575044.  

But having said that some photographs have achieved worldwide fame and iconic status. The Athena tennis girl for instance, and the 1972 naked Vietnamese girl running down the road that won the Pulitzer prize.

In the art world, collectors will pay extraordinary sums for rarity value. An 18C Qianlong dynasty Chinese porcelain vase went for £53 Million in 2010, I wouldn't give it house room!

Pulitzer prize is not for art.
Those paying ridiculous amount of Money for art are only investing capital and hide the art for the public. Real art are meant to been seen by the public!

Not really. Art should be displayed according to the wish of the patron. I do like it when art becomes available to the public but if somebody payed for the creation of art, they have the right to keep it private.

Nonsens!

I know this is getting very close to politics, but then you believe that artist should work for nothing or patron have no say in how their money is used? If so, I suspect we will see very little new art unless it is payed for with our tax dollar.
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Message 1575064 - Posted: 20 Sep 2014, 16:05:03 UTC - in response to Message 1575050.  
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But having said that some photographs have achieved worldwide fame and iconic status. The Athena tennis girl for instance, and the 1972 naked Vietnamese girl running down the road that won the Pulitzer prize.
In the art world, collectors will pay extraordinary sums for rarity value. An 18C Qianlong dynasty Chinese porcelain vase went for £53 Million in 2010, I wouldn't give it house room!

Pulitzer prize is not for art.
Those paying ridiculous amount of Money for art are only investing capital and hide the art for the public. Real art are meant to been seen by the public!

Not really. Art should be displayed according to the wish of the patron. I do like it when art becomes available to the public but if somebody payed for the creation of art, they have the right to keep it private.

Nonsens!

I know this is getting very close to politics, but then you believe that artist should work for nothing or patron have no say in how their money is used? If so, I suspect we will see very little new art unless it is payed for with our tax dollar.

It's called making a living!
Artists needs food and shelter as we all do.
For instance Mona Lisa (La Gioconda in Italian) by Leonardo da Vinci
Leonardo got the order on the Mona Lisa in 1503, by Francesco del Giocondo. del Giocondo regarded himself as a patron of the arts, and wanted a portrait that could be hung in the dining room - hence the board's small size.
After countless interruptions due to Leonardo (according to their own diaries) were lazy and (according to the surroundings) temperamental, the painting became clear 1506th During that time, the client impatient and refused to pay for the painting, so when Leonardo adopted in 1516 King Francis I's invitation and moved to Clos Lucé next to the castle in Amboise in France, he took the painting with him. That he took with him just the board - and few others - suggests that it meant a lot to him. Later bought the French king artwork for 12,000 francs.

I also believe Math is art.
Paul Dirac for instance (iγμ∂μ−m)ψ=0. Prediction of anti-matter.
Why are so many americans so ignorant about history?
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Message 1575086 - Posted: 20 Sep 2014, 17:28:09 UTC - in response to Message 1574937.  

I would agree the bridge painting is art and the photograph is not, but many people see photography as an artform in its own right, which I am 50/50 over. Certainly getting the subject, lighting, and composition right to form a pleasing image, is technically clever, and a skill I don't have.

IMO most people would view the photographic work by Ansel Adams as art.
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Message 1575089 - Posted: 20 Sep 2014, 17:37:51 UTC - in response to Message 1575081.  
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I really don't know why you have to be so confrontational and bad tempered all the time, it really isn't necessary.

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I'm a Swede with lots of humour IMO

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Message 1575093 - Posted: 20 Sep 2014, 17:47:17 UTC

Remember this is the Cafe folks:)
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Message 1575105 - Posted: 20 Sep 2014, 18:09:28 UTC
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Remember this is the Cafe folks:)

Oh. Okay Julie :) Cake anyone? :)



But are they art? :)



I say no - because I made them to be eaten. Those I made them for say yes... because they can't bring themselves to cut them :/ which of course makes eating them rather difficult and might technically make them right, although I still disagree :) Or maybe the photographs are art because no issues over eating THEM have ever arisen :)

Here is a detail from one cake that WAS OF art...

Heironymous Bosch's Heaven and Hell...

Please note the rocks... this makes this post DEFINITELY on topic :)
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Message 1575118 - Posted: 20 Sep 2014, 18:32:42 UTC - in response to Message 1575105.  

I say no - because I made them to be eaten. Those I made them for say yes... because they can't bring themselves to cut them :/ which of course makes eating them rather difficult and might technically make them right, although I still disagree :) Or maybe the photographs are art because no issues over eating THEM have ever arisen :)

Instead of an answer, I will supply a question, What is the difference between working in ice and working in stone? The ice is temporary and the stone is permanent but does that make one art and one not?
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Message 1575119 - Posted: 20 Sep 2014, 18:35:05 UTC - in response to Message 1575105.  

Remember this is the Cafe folks:)

Oh. Okay Julie :) Cake anyone? :)
But are they art? :)
I say no - because I made them to be eaten. Those I made them for say yes... because they can't bring themselves to cut them :/ which of course makes eating them rather difficult and might technically make them right, although I still disagree :) Or maybe the photographs are art because no issues over eating THEM have ever arisen :)
Here is a detail from one cake that WAS OF art...
Heironymous Bosch's Heaven and Hell...
Please note the rocks... this makes this post DEFINITELY on topic :)

Artwork on the dinner table.
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Message 1575122 - Posted: 20 Sep 2014, 18:46:10 UTC - in response to Message 1575118.  

Instead of an answer, I will supply a question, What is the difference between working in ice and working in stone? The ice is temporary and the stone is permanent but does that make one art and one not?

From Jukkasjärvi Sweden.
A hotel that have to be rebuilt every year because its made of ice!
Art at the ICEHOTEL is created in sections and the artists to spend time here in intervals. In the last week before the hotel opens all 40 artists on-site at the same time.
http://www.icehotel.se/konst-design/retrospective/
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Message 1575161 - Posted: 20 Sep 2014, 19:45:54 UTC - in response to Message 1575107.  

I would be more than happy to see this thread moved over to the politics forum. This has already been suggested to me as a sensible way forward, given the current ambience, and I agree.

Be careful what you wish for. Some of us have been holding back because it is not in the politics forum. ;)
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Message 1575183 - Posted: 20 Sep 2014, 20:16:59 UTC
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I would really prefer not to see a discussion of what people consider to be art consigned to the dark pit that is politics.

If people remember that art is a personal thing no one is wrong to love or loath any artwork, so no insults should be traded.

I am interested to see what people here like and dislike.

Surely we can discuss art without insults?


OK strike all that, great pity.
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