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Message 1569918 - Posted: 10 Sep 2014, 6:53:13 UTC - in response to Message 1569812.  
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I'd rather have a blue chicken on a plinth then the plethora of statues of dead warmongering white men on horseback (or not) that litter London.

Dont blame the men who fought those battles. Blame the idiots who sent then to fight.
I see it as a desicration to place a blue freaking chicken at Trafalgar Square.
That would be like placing that blue piece of crap at The Wall in Washington DC.
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Message 1569951 - Posted: 10 Sep 2014, 10:34:44 UTC - in response to Message 1569940.  

Its a pretty good representation of a chicken. I'd like to see your attempt. I know I would struggle creating something that looked like a chicken.

Will you post a picture of your chicken sculpture so I can compare your skills with those of the person with no shred of real art in their toes. You being the expert and all.

There is nothing wrong with a blue chicken per se. Some will see it as art some will not. It is just seen by many as being in the wrong place, and lowers the tone of a famous London landmark. Of course I couldn't produce a blue chicken like that, nor could you, any more than anyone else here could do.

Before we head off into the area of discussions upon the merits or otherwise of statues of military people, we should recognise that in terms of sculptures, they are art. Whether whom they represent should be lauded in that way is debatable and another matter and should be left to the politics thread where it would be more suitable.


We can relax:) It will be removed in 5 months!
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Figurengruppe / Group of Figures (2006-2008), an installation of nine elements; and Hahn/Cock (2010), a 14 ft (4.3m) cockerel in ultramarine blue to be shown on London's Trafalgar Square for 18 months from 25 July 2013.[
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Message 1569967 - Posted: 10 Sep 2014, 12:55:53 UTC

There is nothing wrong with a blue chicken per se. Some will see it as art some will not.

Good so we are agreed to some it will infact be seen as art and there is no longer any reason for a public fight back?

There are far too many avant garde artists in this world whose only aim is to shock and be controversial. They haven't got a shred of real art in their little toes. Yet they make a living from it. It's high time the public fought back. Yes of course the world would be a bleaker place without art, but let's have real art not all this pseudo namby pamby luvvie stuff!

At first found it a bit strange, however the more I thought about it and seeing the reaction here leads me to believe it is things like that maker London more interesting and unpredictable. Surely there is nothing wrong with an artist trying to shock or be controversial, artists have been doing that for a long time.

It was never intended to be permanent, nothing on the 4th plinth is.

I wonder what will be next?
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Message 1569976 - Posted: 10 Sep 2014, 13:58:57 UTC - in response to Message 1569974.  

Oh yes there damn well is!!! Stuff like that should be exhibited in the Tate Modern or somewhere like that. We don't want it strewn around London, our capital city, just because our Mayor who is an attention seeker thinks it is a good idea.

Well it is much better than a lot of Beautiful or Monstrosity sites throughout London.
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Message 1569989 - Posted: 10 Sep 2014, 14:34:40 UTC - in response to Message 1569974.  
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No they haven't! Did Rembrandt, Constable, Rodin, Monet, Van Gogh, Michelangelo etc do that? No they didn't they didn't need to, because they were truly talented artists, they didn't need to shock to get attention like this modern lot have to.

Monet or Manet? I Always mix them up. Looks like Wikipedia does it too.
Same period though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressionism#mediaviewer/File:Edouard_Manet_-_Luncheon_on_the_Grass_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg
During the 1860s, the Salon jury routinely rejected about half of the works submitted by Monet and his friends in favour of works by artists faithful to the approved style. In 1863, the Salon jury rejected Manet's The Luncheon on the Grass (Le déjeuner sur l'herbe) primarily because it depicted a nude woman with two clothed men at a picnic. While the Salon jury routinely accepted nudes in historical and allegorical paintings, they condemned Manet for placing a realistic nude in a contemporary setting. The jury's severely worded rejection of Manet's painting appalled his admirers, and the unusually large number of rejected works that year perturbed many French artists.
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Message 1570040 - Posted: 10 Sep 2014, 17:01:47 UTC
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'Le déjeuner sur l'herbe' is done by Monet not Manet.
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Message 1570055 - Posted: 10 Sep 2014, 17:58:08 UTC

Monet's paintings are very easy to copy for me. The only other artist I succeed in copying is Edvard Munch. This is my version of 'The Scream' by him:


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Message 1570066 - Posted: 10 Sep 2014, 18:38:52 UTC
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I am a bit ambivalent:)

Munchs 'Skriet' is really an icon.
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Message 1570070 - Posted: 10 Sep 2014, 18:45:01 UTC

He he he he he he :) So much heat I am at no risk of feeling chilly! :)

To be honest, a blue rooster in Trafalgar square is about the only way you can get Londoners to risk an eyeful of pigeon poo to look up at anything perched on the plinths. I'm afraid we can be a jaded lot at times :) But I do understand the sentiments expressed so I will immediately apologise for being flippant... I am very sorry for being flippant :(

There! Told you so :)

@Julie - love the painting! Sums up my day beautifully :)

I was going to mention my theory on the grandmasters, and how so much of their work was about the ego of those commissioning the work (in the absence of the invention of photography) but I won't... :)
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Message 1570072 - Posted: 10 Sep 2014, 18:58:00 UTC

Basically, anything can be art if someone calls it art or if it moves someone.

Very little that other people call art moves me.

I think the story of moving the rock is interesting, but I don't think it's art. (I think that's the same company that moved the huge electromagnet to Fermilab last year. I was out in the middle of the night watching that.)
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Message 1570078 - Posted: 10 Sep 2014, 19:25:07 UTC - in response to Message 1570070.  

He he he he he he :) So much heat I am at no risk of feeling chilly! :)

To be honest, a blue rooster in Trafalgar square is about the only way you can get Londoners to risk an eyeful of pigeon poo to look up at anything perched on the plinths. I'm afraid we can be a jaded lot at times :) But I do understand the sentiments expressed so I will immediately apologise for being flippant... I am very sorry for being flippant :(

There! Told you so :)

@Julie - love the painting! Sums up my day beautifully :)

I was going to mention my theory on the grandmasters, and how so much of their work was about the ego of those commissioning the work (in the absence of the invention of photography) but I won't... :)



Thanx Annie, sums up a big part of my life (past) beautifully. Thanx Chris:)
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Message 1570094 - Posted: 10 Sep 2014, 20:09:20 UTC - in response to Message 1570074.  

(I think that's the same company that moved the huge electromagnet to Fermilab last year. I was out in the middle of the night watching that.)

Now, that was a spectacle, not art :-)

Yes, and if I'd been in L.A. to see the rock move, that would have been a spectacle too. Still not art. In my opinion.

It was also a spectacle when Union Pacific moved the Big Boy out of L.A. Nobody called that art.
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Message 1570100 - Posted: 10 Sep 2014, 20:22:02 UTC - in response to Message 1570094.  
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Yes, and if I'd been in L.A. to see the rock move, that would have been a spectacle too. Still not art. In my opinion.

Theaters and Movies are also spectacles.
Music performances are also spectacles.
Not art?
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Message 1570102 - Posted: 10 Sep 2014, 20:24:40 UTC - in response to Message 1570100.  


Yes, and if I'd been in L.A. to see the rock move, that would have been a spectacle too. Still not art. In my opinion.

Theaters and Movies are also spectacles.
Not art?

Art is highly subjective. That's why I said "In my opinion." Some movies are art, some are not. Some try to be and fail.
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Message 1570104 - Posted: 10 Sep 2014, 20:28:02 UTC - in response to Message 1570102.  
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Yes, and if I'd been in L.A. to see the rock move, that would have been a spectacle too. Still not art. In my opinion.

Theaters and Movies are also spectacles.
Not art?

Art is highly subjective. That's why I said "In my opinion." Some movies are art, some are not. Some try to be and fail.

Of course its subjective:)
Thats one of the points with art.
Do you ever Heard of something like objective art?
Or perhaps even worse. Political correct art.
That makes me very nervous.
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Message 1570109 - Posted: 10 Sep 2014, 20:43:30 UTC - in response to Message 1570094.  

It was also a spectacle when Union Pacific moved the Big Boy out of L.A. Nobody called that art.


Funny you should say that.

Can a picture/photo/painting of the above object be art?

Look at this.



At first glance it appears to be a picture of Big Boy 4012, however it is a digitally created model rendered in 3D. It took time and skill with several computer programs, but is it art?
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Message 1570111 - Posted: 10 Sep 2014, 20:49:04 UTC - in response to Message 1570109.  
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It was also a spectacle when Union Pacific moved the Big Boy out of L.A. Nobody called that art.

Funny you should say that.
Can a picture/photo/painting of the above object be art?
Look at this.
At first glance it appears to be a picture of Big Boy 4012, however it is a digitally created model rendered in 3D. It took time and skill with several computer programs, but is it art?

Of course its art.
The technique has nothing to do with art.
But you need technique and skills to do good art.
And it take times to get skilled.
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Message 1570266 - Posted: 11 Sep 2014, 1:39:25 UTC - in response to Message 1570094.  

(I think that's the same company that moved the huge electromagnet to Fermilab last year. I was out in the middle of the night watching that.)

Now, that was a spectacle, not art :-)

Yes, and if I'd been in L.A. to see the rock move, that would have been a spectacle too. Still not art. In my opinion.

It was also a spectacle when Union Pacific moved the Big Boy out of L.A. Nobody called that art.

Yes moving it was spectacle. But Big Boy is the ART.
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Message 1570280 - Posted: 11 Sep 2014, 2:09:47 UTC - in response to Message 1570109.  

It was also a spectacle when Union Pacific moved the Big Boy out of L.A. Nobody called that art.


Funny you should say that.

Can a picture/photo/painting of the above object be art?

Look at this.



At first glance it appears to be a picture of Big Boy 4012, however it is a digitally created model rendered in 3D. It took time and skill with several computer programs, but is it art?

Ansel Adams created art with photographs.
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Message 1570297 - Posted: 11 Sep 2014, 3:27:53 UTC

I'm starting to like the big blue cock more and more.

Big blue cock erected on fourth plinth in London's Trafalgar Square
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