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James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
I'd rather have a blue chicken on a plinth then the plethora of statues of dead warmongering white men on horseback (or not) that litter London. Dont blame the men who fought those battles. Blame the idiots who sent then to fight. I see it as a desicration to place a blue freaking chicken at Trafalgar Square. That would be like placing that blue piece of crap at The Wall in Washington DC. [/quote] Old James |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Its a pretty good representation of a chicken. I'd like to see your attempt. I know I would struggle creating something that looked like a chicken. We can relax:) It will be removed in 5 months! From Wikipedia. Figurengruppe / Group of Figures (2006-2008), an installation of nine elements; and Hahn/Cock (2010), a 14 ft (4.3m) cockerel in ultramarine blue to be shown on London's Trafalgar Square for 18 months from 25 July 2013.[ |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
There is nothing wrong with a blue chicken per se. Some will see it as art some will not. Good so we are agreed to some it will infact be seen as art and there is no longer any reason for a public fight back? There are far too many avant garde artists in this world whose only aim is to shock and be controversial. They haven't got a shred of real art in their little toes. Yet they make a living from it. It's high time the public fought back. Yes of course the world would be a bleaker place without art, but let's have real art not all this pseudo namby pamby luvvie stuff! At first found it a bit strange, however the more I thought about it and seeing the reaction here leads me to believe it is things like that maker London more interesting and unpredictable. Surely there is nothing wrong with an artist trying to shock or be controversial, artists have been doing that for a long time. It was never intended to be permanent, nothing on the 4th plinth is. I wonder what will be next? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Oh yes there damn well is!!! Stuff like that should be exhibited in the Tate Modern or somewhere like that. We don't want it strewn around London, our capital city, just because our Mayor who is an attention seeker thinks it is a good idea. Well it is much better than a lot of Beautiful or Monstrosity sites throughout London. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
No they haven't! Did Rembrandt, Constable, Rodin, Monet, Van Gogh, Michelangelo etc do that? No they didn't they didn't need to, because they were truly talented artists, they didn't need to shock to get attention like this modern lot have to. Monet or Manet? I Always mix them up. Looks like Wikipedia does it too. Same period though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressionism#mediaviewer/File:Edouard_Manet_-_Luncheon_on_the_Grass_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg During the 1860s, the Salon jury routinely rejected about half of the works submitted by Monet and his friends in favour of works by artists faithful to the approved style. In 1863, the Salon jury rejected Manet's The Luncheon on the Grass (Le déjeuner sur l'herbe) primarily because it depicted a nude woman with two clothed men at a picnic. While the Salon jury routinely accepted nudes in historical and allegorical paintings, they condemned Manet for placing a realistic nude in a contemporary setting. The jury's severely worded rejection of Manet's painting appalled his admirers, and the unusually large number of rejected works that year perturbed many French artists. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
'Le déjeuner sur l'herbe' is done by Monet not Manet. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
I am a bit ambivalent:) Munchs 'Skriet' is really an icon. |
anniet Send message Joined: 2 Feb 14 Posts: 7105 Credit: 1,577,368 RAC: 75 |
He he he he he he :) So much heat I am at no risk of feeling chilly! :) To be honest, a blue rooster in Trafalgar square is about the only way you can get Londoners to risk an eyeful of pigeon poo to look up at anything perched on the plinths. I'm afraid we can be a jaded lot at times :) But I do understand the sentiments expressed so I will immediately apologise for being flippant... I am very sorry for being flippant :( There! Told you so :) @Julie - love the painting! Sums up my day beautifully :) I was going to mention my theory on the grandmasters, and how so much of their work was about the ego of those commissioning the work (in the absence of the invention of photography) but I won't... :) |
David S Send message Joined: 4 Oct 99 Posts: 18352 Credit: 27,761,924 RAC: 12 |
Basically, anything can be art if someone calls it art or if it moves someone. Very little that other people call art moves me. I think the story of moving the rock is interesting, but I don't think it's art. (I think that's the same company that moved the huge electromagnet to Fermilab last year. I was out in the middle of the night watching that.) David Sitting on my butt while others boldly go, Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
He he he he he he :) So much heat I am at no risk of feeling chilly! :) Thanx Annie, sums up a big part of my life (past) beautifully. Thanx Chris:) rOZZ Music Pictures |
David S Send message Joined: 4 Oct 99 Posts: 18352 Credit: 27,761,924 RAC: 12 |
(I think that's the same company that moved the huge electromagnet to Fermilab last year. I was out in the middle of the night watching that.) Yes, and if I'd been in L.A. to see the rock move, that would have been a spectacle too. Still not art. In my opinion. It was also a spectacle when Union Pacific moved the Big Boy out of L.A. Nobody called that art. David Sitting on my butt while others boldly go, Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Theaters and Movies are also spectacles. Music performances are also spectacles. Not art? |
David S Send message Joined: 4 Oct 99 Posts: 18352 Credit: 27,761,924 RAC: 12 |
Art is highly subjective. That's why I said "In my opinion." Some movies are art, some are not. Some try to be and fail. David Sitting on my butt while others boldly go, Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Of course its subjective:) Thats one of the points with art. Do you ever Heard of something like objective art? Or perhaps even worse. Political correct art. That makes me very nervous. |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
It was also a spectacle when Union Pacific moved the Big Boy out of L.A. Nobody called that art. Funny you should say that. Can a picture/photo/painting of the above object be art? Look at this. At first glance it appears to be a picture of Big Boy 4012, however it is a digitally created model rendered in 3D. It took time and skill with several computer programs, but is it art? |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
It was also a spectacle when Union Pacific moved the Big Boy out of L.A. Nobody called that art. Of course its art. The technique has nothing to do with art. But you need technique and skills to do good art. And it take times to get skilled. |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
(I think that's the same company that moved the huge electromagnet to Fermilab last year. I was out in the middle of the night watching that.) Yes moving it was spectacle. But Big Boy is the ART. [/quote] Old James |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
It was also a spectacle when Union Pacific moved the Big Boy out of L.A. Nobody called that art. Ansel Adams created art with photographs. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
I'm starting to like the big blue cock more and more. Big blue cock erected on fourth plinth in London's Trafalgar Square Reality Internet Personality |
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