This insistent harping, and finger pointing, of who's to blame: Is best left to future books.

It is not so much who is to blame, unless you insist on getting it wrong, in which case it should be corrected. Rather, who is to pay for it? The Republicans don't mind spending a trillion or two telling the Arabs how to live, and then when the bill comes due they shut down the government and threaten to default on the debt.

They think that is fiscal responsibility, just as they think that invading the wrong country is good foreign policy. You don't need to harp on it, just not repeat it.

This insistent harping, and finger pointing, of who's to blame: Is best left to future books.

It is not so much who is to blame, unless you insist on getting it wrong, in which case it should be corrected. Rather, who is to pay for it? The Republicans don't mind spending a trillion or two telling the Arabs how to live, and then when the bill comes due they shut down the government and threaten to default on the debt.

They think that is fiscal responsibility, just as they think that invading the wrong country is good foreign policy. You don't need to harp on it, just not repeat it.

The Republicans? Another Shallow Thinking Ideological Rant.

Can we stop with this ideological insanity, and discuss what to do NOW?

I am not sure what part you are objecting too, but if you think it was the Democrats who shut down the government it will be difficult to discuss that issue further. And yes, both W. and Cheney were Republicans too, and got most of their support on the issue of Iraq from their own party. The fact that it did not work out for them does not make the issue suddenly non-political insofar as I know. (Did you ever listen to one of Cheney's speeches?)

As for what to do know, that is in fact the right question to ask. I recommend not doing what we did wrong the last time for a start. We can discuss variations on that theme as we go forward.

I am not sure what part you are objecting too, but if you think it was the Democrats who shut down the government it will be difficult to discuss that issue further.

The democrats are 75% to blame and the Republicans are 75% to blame for the so called "shutdown." There is more than enough blame to go around. It fit perfectly in both their agendas, so it happened.

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Bush? Cheney? Shut down Government?

This Thread is Should the west now send in the troops : ISIS & IRAN

Why can't the Right/Left Wing Ideologues stop?

Answer: They can't. Their entire 'thinking' is contained in a few phrases.

Now let's get back to THE QUESTION.

My answer to THE QUESTION. H**L NO!!!!!!! Let those people sort out their own affairs. If we keep interfering in their stuff, they are not going to leave us alone.

Extremist group Isis now accused of using gas or other chemical weapons in both Iraq and in the Syrian border town Kobane. The SR Echo correspondent has spoken with senior Kurdish politician describing how patients in Kobane demonstrated new symptoms suggesting that they may have been exposed.
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=6001075
https://twitter.com/hashtag/kobane

I wondered how long before they started using chemical weapons , next will be the biological !......EBOLA maybe , a town of dead people but instead of suicide bombers there infected , solder's come in touch them and ? !!!

That will be the next thing you watch

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I wondered how long before they started using chemical weapons , next will be the biological !......EBOLA maybe , a town of dead people but instead of suicide bombers there infected , solder's come in touch them and ? !!!

That will be the next thing you watch

I think I brought that up in the Ebola thread.
Hell they used to throw bodies with the black death over castle walls. Bio warfare is not new at all.

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Hell they used to throw bodies with the black death over castle walls. Bio warfare is not new at all.

Exactly James . This mob is evil enough to do it i reackon

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I wondered how long before they started using chemical weapons , next will be the biological !......EBOLA maybe , a town of dead people but instead of suicide bombers there infected , solder's come in touch them and ? !!!
That will be the next thing you watch

I think I brought that up in the Ebola thread.
Hell they used to throw bodies with the black death over castle walls. Bio warfare is not new at all.

"They" were the Golden Horde from Mongolia. Not muslims.

It is believed that the devastating pandemic the Black Death entered Europe for the first time via Caffa in 1347, through the movements of the Golden Horde. After a protracted siege during which the Mongol army under Janibeg was reportedly withering from the disease, they catapulted the infected corpses over the city walls, infecting the inhabitants, in one of the first cases of biological warfare.
Caffa, now Feodosia, is a port and resort, a town of regional significance in Crimea near Jalta on the Black Sea coast.

If the west sends troops, they should be female and have all the bullets dipped in pork. It will scare the fight out of them that they won't get their 72 virgins. They would arrive killed by a woman and with pork in their body. A quick trip to hell. And if they surrender, make sure they don't breed any more of their kind with a rusty pig coated knife.

Unless and until the west is willing to fight them on these terms then we have no business there because they will do at least that much to us, Geneva be damned in their eyes.

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Good God Man! What are you trying to do? Have all the BHL's up in arms?

Good God Man! What are you trying to do? Have all the BHL's up in arms?

Well, they might make for some good beheading fodder .....

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Good God Man! What are you trying to do? Have all the BHL's up in arms?

Well, they might make for some good beheading fodder .....

...a man after my own heart. However, we must stop dreaming.

Biji Kurdistan:)
http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21629475-kobane-has-acquired-huge-symbolic-significance-all-those-fighting-it?fsrc=scn/tw_ec/the_kurdish_stalingrad

1500 more advisers or troops, so say Obama.

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1500 more advisers or troops, so say Obama.

Sending in troops doesn't seems like a good idea.
Maybe some advisers and trainers perhaps like Germany have done.
And some support from US Air Force as before.
If western countries gets more involved in the region then the problem will be much worse.

1500 more advisers or troops, so say Obama.

Looks like that is confirmed

"He said President Obama would also be asking Congress for $5.6bn to support the ongoing operations against IS fighters in both Iraq and Syria."

I thought your economy was in the crapper?

Funny that no matter what situation your economy is in, there is always money for military expenditure.

1500 more advisers or troops, so say Obama.

Looks like that is confirmed
"He said President Obama would also be asking Congress for $5.6bn to support the ongoing operations against IS fighters in both Iraq and Syria."
I thought your economy was in the crapper?
Funny that no matter what situation your economy is in, there is always money for military expenditure.

President Obama didn't say why US should spend $5.6bn on this.
Weird. Well its only taxpayers money so what the heck.

1500 more advisers or troops, so say Obama.

Looks like that is confirmed

"He said President Obama would also be asking Congress for $5.6bn to support the ongoing operations against IS fighters in both Iraq and Syria."

I thought your economy was in the crapper?

Funny that no matter what situation your economy is in, there is always money for military expenditure.

Why do you think the idiots we elect keep wanting to cut other programs? Got to have money to meddle in some rat infested countrys who hate us to death.
Should have left Sadam alone. We would not have this mess. We only had to kick his butt when he got out of line like he did with Kuwait.
Let those stinking rotten cesspools they call nations fight each other to death.The world be well to have them die.

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1500 more advisers or troops, so say Obama.

Looks like that is confirmed
"He said President Obama would also be asking Congress for $5.6bn to support the ongoing operations against IS fighters in both Iraq and Syria."
I thought your economy was in the crapper?
Funny that no matter what situation your economy is in, there is always money for military expenditure.

Why do you think the idiots we elect keep wanting to cut other programs? Got to have money to meddle in some rat infested countrys who hate us to death.
Should have left Sadam alone. We would not have this mess. We only had to kick his butt when he got out of line like he did with Kuwait.
Let those stinking rotten cesspools they call nations fight each other to death.The world be well to have them die.

Well, oh, well. Hmm, if I would be politically correct, I should protest of course. However, I'm not one of those who needs to be politically correct all the time...

I really like the term "politically correct".
It implies that there is only one opinion that is correct:)
That is of course nonsens.
So I stick to my own opinions, correct or not correct.