Lets take Nixon. yes he did some dastardly deeds. But he open up a dialog with China. Has Obama done that?

How can he do something that has already been done ?

Lets take Reagan, He did things I dont like either. His stars wars BS was enough to lead to the collaspe of the Soviet Union. And then he had a dialog with Russia.

Russia was a victim of there own stupidity fighting a 11 year war in Afghanistan and that had more to do with it's collapse than Reagan , he only help the war go on longer than it would have had he not sent the Mujahideen the rockets to shoot down the Russian helicopter gun ships and planes .

Lets take Clinton next.His moral terpitude sucked but he did manage to get a surlpus in our economy.

Clinton did not have the GFC to screw the economy and have a recession that was almost as bad as the great depression which took a world war to fix so if he did cut deeply into the budget and produce a surplus you would have been in more trouble than you are now

Lets next take Bush. He inherited Clintons failed forieng policy which led to 911.

So his father wasn't in charge during the golf war then ok . Why didn't Jnr know what the bankers where doing and put a stop to it , as i herd what was going on and knew 2 yrs before the skit hit the fan . Then there was the Iraq thing and not getting Binladen . To me that is a complete fail . 911 could have been stopped if he had listen'd to the security forces and what they where telling him

But you keep listening to FOX ,CNN and all the other news services that have there own agenda's
So who do you think would be able to take over and work the miracles you expect Obama to have been able to do after such a mess .

I am seriously curios about that ?

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Lets take Nixon. yes he did some dastardly deeds. But he open up a dialog with China. Has Obama done that?

How can he do something that has already been done ?

Lets take Reagan, He did things I dont like either. His stars wars BS was enough to lead to the collaspe of the Soviet Union. And then he had a dialog with Russia.

Russia was a victim of there own stupidity fighting a 11 year war in Afghanistan and that had more to do with it's collapse than Reagan , he only help the war go on longer than it would have had he not sent the Mujahideen the rockets to shoot down the Russian helicopter gun ships and planes .

Lets take Clinton next.His moral terpitude sucked but he did manage to get a surlpus in our economy.

Clinton did not have the GFC to screw the economy and have a recession that was almost as bad as the great depression which took a world war to fix so if he did cut deeply into the budget and produce a surplus you would have been in more trouble than you are now

Lets next take Bush. He inherited Clintons failed forieng policy which led to 911.

So his father wasn't in charge during the golf war then ok . Why didn't Jnr know what the bankers where doing and put a stop to it , as i herd what was going on and knew 2 yrs before the skit hit the fan . Then there was the Iraq thing and not getting Binladen . To me that is a complete fail . 911 could have been stopped if he had listen'd to the security forces and what they where telling him

But you keep listening to FOX ,CNN and all the other news services that have there own agenda's
So who do you think would be able to take over and work the miracles you expect Obama to have been able to do after such a mess .

I am seriously curios about that ?

I will take you on point by point.
Has Obama opend up a dialog with another country? NO he hasnt. That was my point.

The Soviet Union was stupid. So we did send stingers to the rebles who shot down helicopters. The Soviets had more on there plate then Afghanistan. Try thinking of Poland and other satelite countrys trying to break free of the yoke.
Bush SR did defeat Iraq through a coalition. His son was an dolt for going back .
Clinton has admitted he could have killed Bin laden but didnt. So he set up 911.
I expect a president to lead. Obama dosent lead he follows the current popularity poles. If you think he is suck a great leader make him a citiezen of Oz and let him lead you then. I think he stinks to high heaven.

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If you think he is suck a great leader make him a citiezen of Oz and let him lead you then.

I'll take you up on that one he is no where near as bad as Mad Monk Abbot :)

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well I would probably do the repairs my self don't trust mechanics always say I had to replace this and that and when you ask them for the parts , it's I threw then in the bin and then charge a arm and a leg .

But is'nt the treasury the ones that make most of the policy over there for your economy ? . I spose I will conceed that maybe he should fire all those banker from goldman sacks that now run it as it was those bastas that stole everyones money so I guess he has failed on that account .

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And what do the "west" doing now?

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Kurdish Women Fight on Front Lines Against Islamic State
By Ayla Albayrak in Suruc,Turkey and Margaret Coker in Kirkuk, Iraq
Updated Oct. 17, 2014 7:07 p.m. ET

When 19-year-old Dilar and her girlfriends learned last spring that a woman who taught at a local school had died fighting Islamic State, they made a pact: They would join an all-female Syrian Kurdish brigade named in the teacher’s honor.

Her unit, the Martyr Warsin Brigade, saw action this summer in a tough battle against the extremist fighters for Ras al-Ayn, a town along the Turkish border. Dilar came away without injury and returned home to a hero’s welcome.

Now, during her downtime, she and her female comrades stride with a swagger through their villages east of the embattled city of Kobani.

“When I walk with my gun, the men who haven’t volunteered keep their eyes down around me,” said Dilar, who didn’t want to give her family name. “My bravery shames them.”

As debate flares in Washington and other capitals about whether the battle against Islamic State can succeed without more boots—even U.S. ones—on the ground, Kurdish women have stepped up to defend their lands in Syria and Iraq. An estimated one-third of the Syrian Kurdish fighters in Kobani are women, fighters and residents say, a figure that mirrors their role in other significant battles across Kurdish territories this year.

The monthlong battle over the city on the Turkish border is straining Islamic State, Kurdish politicians and U.S. officials say, and hampering its overall expansion strategy.

The overriding motivation that Kurds give for fighting the insurgents is to save their ancestral homeland from destruction. Yet many women combatants also cite a more personal crusade. Across the territory in Syria and Iraq that it now controls, Islamic State has reinstituted slavery, prohibited women from working and threatened to kill those Muslims, including Kurds, who don’t adhere to their ideology.

“Islamic State are terrorists, inhuman,” said a 28-year-old female commander of both men and women in Kobani who uses the nom-de-guerre Afsin Kobane.

Ms. Kobane was a kindergarten teacher when she decided last year to join the female unit of the Syrian Kurdish resistance force, known as YPJ. Speaking by telephone from her post in the besieged city on the Turkish border, she said her mixed-gender unit had been fighting for more than a month and was holding a position only a half-mile from Islamic State fighters.

The pressure of being under siege has largely broken the normal cultural barriers between men and women, Ms. Kobane said. “Really we have no differences,” she said. “We do what the men do.”

Any awkwardness pales in the face of the life-and-death challenges of winning skirmishes against Islamic State foes in the most dangerous eastern suburbs of Kobani, where Islamic State first entered the city, Ms. Kobane said. “Sometimes we are so close to them without knowing it, because they hide in empty buildings,” she said.

Women in battle shock many in traditional corners of the Middle East, but among Kurds the female warriors have drawn acclaim in poems and on Facebook .

Kurdish society is hardly a bastion of feminism, but across the wider region, Kurds—who are ethnically and linguistically distinct from Arabs or Turks—are relatively progressive. That is partly a reflection of the leftist and Marxist political ideology that has influenced the Kurds’ decadeslong struggle for independence in Turkey and Iraq.

Among the prominent Kurds espousing equality has been Abdullah Ocalan, the leader of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK, who is in jail in Turkey after being convicted of treason but whose influence extends to Kurdish communities in Syria and Iraq. The PKK, as well as the Iraqi Kurdish Peshmerga, have had women’s brigades in their guerrilla forces for decades.

Many Kurdish women’s rights activists have criticized Mr. Ocalan and other Kurdish leaders as only paying lip service to their cause, pointing to the male-dominated military and political hierarchies of Kurdish society that in practice keep women shut out from leadership positions.

Now, the prowess of Syrian and Iraqi Kurdish women fighters is straining, if not breaking, that glass ceiling.

Tales of Kurdish female valor have become so prevalent that Kurdish leaders use them as recruiting tools. “When you fight a lion, it doesn’t matter if it’s a male or female,” said Saadi Pera, a senior leader of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, the Iraqi Kurdish party whose Peshmerga are among those defending frontline positions across northern Iraq.

Dilar’s unit, which is based east of Kobani in the countryside around Qamshili, has been together since the spring of 2013. Though she was raised on tales of heroic Kurdish guerrilla leaders and her father was already serving in a unit fighting Islamic State, Dilar worried that her traditional parents wouldn’t approve of their daughter taking up arms. So last spring she sneaked out from home while her father was away and later informed them by text them that she had signed up for the Martyr Warsin Brigade.

“She died for us and our freedom,” Dilar said, referring to the teacher, Warsin. “We wanted to honor her and to protect our families.”

Dramatic tales of female heroism are frequently aired in Kurdish cafes and on social media.

One such tale recounts the death of a Syrian fighter, identified as Arin Mirkan. When she was running out of ammunition, she reportedly sacrificed herself and detonated a grenade that killed several enemies during a running battle. The details of the incident could not be independently verified.

Nigar Hussain was killed in Iraqi Kurdistan in late September while helping to defend Iraqi oil installations near the city of Kirkuk against Islamic State, according to Kurdish-language media.

Ms. Hussain was still in high school when she joined the Peshmerga, inspired by her father’s experience as a guerrilla and in defiance of her mother’s protests. “She told me to kiss her once again before she left home, despite the fact I was angry at her,” her mother said. “I told her don’t think about dying. Think about killing four or five of them [the enemy] first. That was the last time I saw her.”

While they talk of battlefield glory, Kurdish women, like men, are also having to grapple with the trauma of violence and death.

At a makeshift cemetery along the Turkish-Syria border, Kurdish refugees and families gathered earlier this week to grieve for female fighters killed in Kobani.

Four corpses buried together this week along the narrow, hand-furrowed rows were women. About 30% of the red, hand-painted cement gravestones at the site bear female names such as Zozan, Rocin, Lezgin and Bengin.

Ms. Kobane said the greatest horror she has witnessed was the death of her friend Viyan, who signed up to fight alongside her.

In a street battle with Islamic State on the western edge of town, Viyan and three male fighters were surrounded and cut down by their foes. Islamic State fighters then beheaded the four corpses and took their heads as war trophies, she said.

At a makeshift cemetery along the Turkish-Syria border, Kurdish refugees and families gathered earlier this week to grieve for female fighters killed in Kobani.

Four corpses buried together this week along the narrow, hand-furrowed rows were women. About 30% of the red, hand-painted cement gravestones at the site bear female names such as Zozan, Rocin, Lezgin and Bengin.

Ms. Kobane said the greatest horror she has witnessed was the death of her friend Viyan, who signed up to fight alongside her.

In a street battle with Islamic State on the western edge of town, Viyan and three male fighters were surrounded and cut down by their foes. Islamic State fighters then beheaded the four corpses and took their heads as war trophies, she said.

“After this, I can’t imagine leading a life of a traditional Kurdish woman, caring for a husband and children at home,” she said. “I used to want that before this war.”

Write to Ayla Albayrak at ayla.albayrak@wsj.com and Margaret Coker at margaret.coker@wsj.com

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Hi Jan . Mad Monk is talking about sending in the S.A.S . Troops on the ground when MAD MONK said definitely no troops on the ground . F$$$$$$ lie .

If he keeps going he wont have to worry about IS lone wolfs he's gona have to worry about the normal folk whom want MAD MONK out now .

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I dont see why any opther country has to go in and fight ISIS. It was the US who just had to get rid of that evil Sadam who started this whole cluster $%#$.
We upset the balance of terror in that region. Now that Iraq has shown it will not defend itself, OR is it they would like to be in the new Caliphate?
Iran on the other hand is scared crapless.
I wonder what other country in that region has a play plan of their own Financing ISIS?

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Want to watch out James maybe MAD MONK will talk Obama into doing the same , you watch ...

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Oh, We will send troops in. They would have been there had not Obama pulled them out. The blackwater thing. Mercenaries should never be employed in a war zone. And the US had a lot of them. I think it was a sweetheart deal for some political payback that back fired.

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Hi Jan . Mad Monk is talking about sending in the S.A.S . Troops on the ground when MAD MONK said definitely no troops on the ground . F$$$$$$ lie .

If he keeps going he wont have to worry about IS lone wolfs he's gona have to worry about the normal folk whom want MAD MONK out now .

Who is Mad Monk?

Who is Mad Monk?

It's the nick name of our Prime minister among others Jan

Also called DUMD DUMD by the Americans

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Who is Mad Monk?

It's the nick name of our Prime minister among others Jan
Also called DUMD DUMD by the Americans

I see.
We have a saying that a dear child has many names:)

Putins nick is Vova.

Vova?

I was curious as well. I looked it up. One possibility that occurs to me is Vova Lingerie. But don't look up their website, it has a bad resembleance to that accursed, hated BOTD thread around here in days of long ago.

Is Janneseti calling Putin "women's underware"?

I have an off-color nickname for Putin as well... IMO, it fits, especially in light of his penchant for being photographed without his shirt...

P**o, the masculine form of a Spanish (Mexican) term for whore. Sorry, but I would rather not spell it out here, someone might get offended. It tends to be considered a 'fighting word' in many places over here.

The American people, hiring Obama, to FIX THE MESS -

Is the same as a CEO firing the Old (Bad) Accountant, and hiring a New Accountant to FIX The Mess.

After 6 YEARS all this Accountant (sic), and his supporters say is ' Look at the mess we inherited', we can't perform miracles'.

He was hired to FIX IT, and is has been shown to be incompetent. You fire him, and get someone who is competent.

Fix the Middle East? That will be interesting. That is how we got into this mess to begin with. The American people hired him to be rational, which means getting us out as soon as possible.

The American people, hiring Obama, to FIX THE MESS -

Is the same as a CEO firing the Old (Bad) Accountant, and hiring a New Accountant to FIX The Mess.

After 6 YEARS all this Accountant (sic), and his supporters say is ' Look at the mess we inherited', we can't perform miracles'.

He was hired to FIX IT, and is has been shown to be incompetent. You fire him, and get someone who is competent.

Fix the Middle East? That will be interesting. That is how we got into this mess to begin with. The American people hired him to be rational, which means getting us out as soon as possible.

That means breaking diplomatic relations with Israel, otherwise we are in the mess.

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That means breaking diplomatic relations with Israel, otherwise we are in the mess.

No, it just means getting out. We had diplomatic relations with Israel long before we had a large presence in the Middle East.

There was a recent story about how the Israelis were not so worried about ISIS, since they had no weapons with a range that could attack them.
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/10/21/heres-why-israel-loses-no-sleep-over-islamic-state/

But the right-wing in the U.S. gets panicked 8000 miles away.

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