Bob don't worry mate it's not your troops that are being ask to go there it's OUR FREAKING TROOPS


#$%^ yanks send your S.A.S there first then we will join in .

Or at least pay for the %^&*& cost off it

why do we all ways have to go and clean your and the dam English freaking mess up ? Like we have had to to in Afghanistan .

Now Australian terror threat will be increased to high and why cause we got to go and fix your %^&*& mess up

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Bob don't worry mate it's not your troops that are being ask to go there it's OUR FREAKING TROOPS


#$%^ yanks send your S.A.S there first then we will join in .

Or at least pay for the %^&*& cost off it

why do we all ways have to go and clean your and the dam English freaking mess up ? Like we have had to to in Afghanistan .

Now Australian terror threat will be increased to high and why cause we got to go and fix your %^&*& mess up

All you have to do is say no like the UK did over Syria. Simple!

Russia sends Obama a message

Wonder what the next message would be if Obama ignores it...

Russia sends Obama a message

Wonder what the next message would be if Obama ignores it...

The World is a terrible place. With possible terrible consequences for every action.

Wonder if Obama is up to the task?

More to the point:

What does Putin and Russia gain by protecting/perpetuating the continued civil war and slaughter in Syria?


All in our only one world,
Martin

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Clyde just for you mate . This is how we fight .

Victoria Cross for Australia[edit]
On 11 June 2010, a troop of the Special Operations Task Group conducted a helicopter assault into Tizak, Kandahar Province, in order to capture or kill a senior Taliban commander.
Immediately upon the helicopter insertion, the troop was engaged by machine gun and rocket propelled grenade fire from multiple, dominating positions. Two soldiers were wounded in action and the troop was pinned down by fire from three machine guns in an elevated fortified position to the south of the village. Under the cover of close air support, suppressive small arms and machine gun fire, Roberts-Smith and his patrol manoeuvred to within 70 metres of the enemy position in order to neutralise the enemy machine gun positions and regain the initiative.
Upon commencement of the assault, the patrol drew very heavy, intense, effective and sustained fire from the enemy position. Roberts-Smith and his patrol members fought towards the enemy position until, at a range of 40 metres, the weight of fire prevented further movement forward. At this point, he identified the opportunity to exploit some cover provided by a small structure.
As he approached the structure, Roberts-Smith identified an insurgent grenadier in the throes of engaging his patrol. Roberts-Smith engaged the insurgent at point-blank range resulting in the death of the insurgent. With the members of his patrol still pinned down by the three enemy machine gun positions, he exposed his own position in order to draw fire away from his patrol, which enabled them to bring fire to bear against the enemy. His actions enabled his Patrol Commander to throw a grenade and silence one of the machine guns. Seizing the advantage, and demonstrating extreme devotion to duty and the most conspicuous gallantry, Roberts-Smith, with a total disregard for his own safety, stormed the enemy position killing the two remaining machine gunners.
His act of valour enabled his patrol to break into the enemy position and to lift the weight of fire from the remainder of the troop who had been pinned down by the machine gun fire. On seizing the fortified gun position, Corporal Roberts-Smith then took the initiative again and continued to assault enemy positions in depth during which he and another patrol member engaged and killed further enemy. His acts of selfless valour directly enabled his troop to go on and clear the village of Tizak of Taliban. This decisive engagement subsequently caused the remainder of the Taliban in Shah Wali Kot District to retreat from the area.[4]

Don't you worry mate we don't F%^& around and this is why we where able to do what the British could not in our area .WE will make them every sorry that they brought us back to Iraq .

There has been 4 V.C's given out in Afghanistan

And this link tells who and how many since 1900

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_Victoria_Cross_recipients

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It is easy to fight an enemy that stands and fights.

Afghanistan War Medal of Honor Recipients

The US has awarded nine MoH and so your point is?

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Show them some respect, and make them responsible for THEIR Religious Civil War. THEIR 1000 Year History of... The West is NOT Superior to THEM.

Middle east has ALWAYS been a hot potatoe for maybe 2500 years.
The birth of civilization was there.
Peace in the Middle east in my life time will never happen:(

j mercer

The size of the forces how many ten's of thousand's of men have you sent there and you have only given out 9 M.O.H

And it was a responce to Clyde's comments

Show them some respect, and make them responsible for THEIR Religious Civil War. THEIR 1000 Year History of... The West is NOT Superior to THEM.

In fact. We may be Stupider, or perhaps Inferior to Them. We got involved in THEIR Problems.

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Clyde to say that the west has no responsibility or can't be blamed for what is happening there is a bit niev

Did we not back Saddam against Iran and help prop him up and help him stay on to his power ?

Are we not backing Israel even thou they snub there noses at the Oslo accord with there attitude about having Jerusalem as there capital which is stopping any attempt to get a real piece deal ?

Did we not back Mubarak for all those years even thou he was a dictator of sorts ?

Did we not let Muammar Gaddafi rule Libya ?

Are we not supporting a dictator in Saudi Arabia "The Kingdom" ?

And where do we buy our oil from ?

So to say we are not responsible for how things have worked out is very very niev .

Yes i agree they do need to grow up in that area but it does not help when we do stupid things like going into Iraq and taking the low moral ground when we should have taken the high moral ground sorted out Afghanistan . This would not have given the Jihadi's there propaganda that they now use to get support .
And probably would not have lead to the Arab spring uprisings that we have seen

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Why are you guys getting in a pissing contest over who one the most damn medals? Its bad enough men died trying to save two countries peoples who could care less what happens to them or who leads them.

Im of the mind to just leave them alone and let the rabid dogs they are eat each other. End of problem.
On the other hand if they want a jihad, Well lets give them one they wont ever forget.
Im sick of the whole fiasco we find ourselves in.
Turn the other cheek and you get shafted. Hit back and you still get it up the keyster.
So lets let them hate each others sect so bad they kill them selves off.

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Why are you guys getting in a pissing contest over who one the most damn medals?

Not a pissing contest about medals i only put it up because i thought Clyde was having a go at me about us going back to Iraq .So i put the V.C's up to illustrate we my only have a small army compared to others but we are very deadly and have had to rescue both Amercians and Brits . It was also to show we can do a better job than both the U.s and the brits . Which we have proved in Afghanistan .
As well as being peed off we are being ask by your government to go back but your gov doesn't want to send your own troops in .

Your army would be far more better if
1 you didn't let ppl join because they wish to get green card or citizenship
2 wish to get extra credit to get into Collage
3 join to stay out of jail because a judge has said enlist or jail.
4 give pilots go go pills (speed)

It was also to illustrate that a army with a reputation can do more harm to a enemy than all the best weapons in the world . It is 1 off the most used tactics in war .

Our Army does have a reputation as a force you don't wish to meet on the battle field .

I'm afraid your's does not it's more that you are not disciplined , cowboys that shoot first and ask questions later and that your very dangerous to fight with as you have to many friendly fire accidents and are more likely to get kill by Americans that the enemy

I'm not having a go at you this is the reputation of your army

The Iraq army ran why because of the reputation of ISIS 1 of the oldest tactics there is

examples : the movie 300 based on real events about Sparta
The Romans

This decisive engagement subsequently caused the remainder of the Taliban in Shah Wali Kot District to retreat from the area.[4]

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Clyde i just spent about 10 mins typing a responce to your questions but then i realised it's just crap the whole thing .

If England had not stopped Napoleon then the whole dam area would be under France.
The crusades stopped i think in 1400 and Napoleon was around in 1700 , spain was a super power in the 1600 - 1700 England from 1700-1900 so your whole post is stupid mate

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Clyde you Americans what to be careful mate i read the other day we here in Australia are in a joint venture with Norway to develop a Tactical nuke for the f-35 Lightning . Now if we do get our own nukes we won't need you guys to help protect us . and if we do we won't need your plane that does not work . We can buy from the Swed's or the English or the Europeans .

You may find in the near future we may just tell you lot to go and jump of a very high cliff .

That mite put a dent on whom you can turn to if you get into trouble with China or North korea

We are very good friends with China but you may have a big logistic problem if there is trouble , if we tell you to bugger off .

33% of the world's know reserves of Urainium is in our country . You might want to think about that 1 seeing as you have so many rectors i wonder what would happen to the price if we told you all to shuve it right up your kester .

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Tone down the Testosterone.

Just sterring Clyde .

Seeing as he try'd to goat me with his last post no worry's Sirius

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Clyde you Americans what to be careful mate i read the other day we here in Australia are in a joint venture with Norway to develop a Tactical nuke for the f-35 Lightning . Now if we do get our own nukes we won't need you guys to help protect us . and if we do we won't need your plane that does not work . We can buy from the Swed's or the English or the Europeans .

You may find in the near future we may just tell you lot to go and jump of a very high cliff .

That mite put a dent on whom you can turn to if you get into trouble with China or North korea

We are very good friends with China but you may have a big logistic problem if there is trouble , if we tell you to bugger off .

33% of the world's know reserves of Urainium is in our country . You might want to think about that 1 seeing as you have so many rectors i wonder what would happen to the price if we told you all to shuve it right up your kester .

Well belive it or not China is the 600 pound gorilla. As for Uranium, Hey you can keep the stuff. We have all we need. And with a half life of 4.7 billion years. I dont think we need any more. China or North Korea might want some though.
As for the logistic problems. Look back to WW2. You came close to being invaded. And it was a damn long logistic line that stopped it.
Hey if you dont want your troops to go back to whatever craphole country We ask you to send them. Then tell your PM hell no. I would agree with you 100%.
I dont want my own countrys troops back to that crap pile. I say contain them and let them kill each other off. And screw the oil. let them eat and drink it. If no other country buys it, It aint worth nothing.

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James Sotherden

James that is one off the best posts so far But Moad monk is Mad so he won't listen at least not for the next 1 yr and 9 mnths then the B/s will start i just hope people remember and don't vote the S.O.B back in

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Cylde why answer a very stupid post and it was very stupid . And shows just how much hatred you have for other religons .

If like you say all they wish to do is make 1 big Isamic state why hasn't Indo invaded it's nabors ? There are 200 million of them in that country more than any other .Not all people that are Muslim want to have Share'a law and your attitude say's to me you are a bigot as you wish to blame everyone else but what we have done there .

Also even if America was not around it would not have been the way you try'd to paint it as you totally forget history .

Man you American have a freaking big head get over yourself for christ sake not everything is better in your country . Other wise you would not owe so much have such a high umemployment rate , crime rate , murder rate , and what about the 50,000 innocent people that get shot for nothing 15,000 are kids

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Clyde to say that the west has no responsibility or can't be blamed for what is happening there is a bit niev

Glenn... Calm Down, and stop getting personally nasty in your Posts.

You really don't understand what I am saying.

Yes... Everything you state about American involvement has resulted in bad things. But... That is not the fundamental problem with this region.

The real problems, are of THEIR own making. It is a primitive culture that has not really advanced over the past millennium's. Please read about The Culture's of Troy, Ancient Greece, The Hittite's and other City States. It is the same.

Do you disagree?

If The USA did not, stupidly, intervene in THEIR Primitive Culture/Religious Civil War: The Jihadist's would still exist. The Murdering, Burying Alive Women and Children, Cheering the Murder of Youth's, Beheading of Innocents, would still be occurring. This is THEIR way.

Do you disagree?

If The USA never existed: The Jihadist's would still be attempting to Re-Form a Caliphate from Spain to India. Subjecting/Murdering the people to THEIR Will.

Do you disagree?

Without getting personal: Can you disagree/agree with the above thought's, point-by-point?

I agree to Everything.

If you know your enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a loss. If you know neither the enemy or yourself, you are defeated in every battle.

Okay... this post is not properly thought through... it's more a meander through my brain as it tries to process information... so please be kind in the mincing that's bound to follow it :)

Has anybody else caught a whiff similar to the one that came from the "WMD" hype that preceded the toppling of Saddam Hussein? :( I can't seem to escape it assailing my nostrils :/

Maybe the pong IS simply because a small toxic weed (once fed by a few dictatorships with dodgy human right's records) was then nurtured with the rich manure of western weaponry and encouraged to take hold away from it's indigenous roots... where it has now run amok... but I can't help thinking there is something more than what we're being told...

It seems REALLY odd to me in this day and age, when even our sneezes may be being recorded by governments around the planet, that these guys (and girls) came as a big surprise to the west, and now dominate our headlines. Cynical smokescreen perhaps? On a planet where the value of score's of human lives are nothing when weighed against a few people's bigger picture? Great big magicians diversion? Should we be looking a little deeper at what was going on around the time ISIS exploded onto our front pages for the answer to who is behind these guys before we take them on and maybe makes things a whole lot worse for ourselves?

That's not to say ISIS/ISIL are not a genuine threat... but the threat I think has arisen more from the lure of the packaging and the style of it's delivery which appeals to disturbed/angry/brainwashed youngsters (who may have no idea who they're really serving or working for) and THAT is what we need to focus on addressing... And of course stopping all arms shipments and financing (to the entire region if necessary) till the puppets go hungry. (SNORT! Yeah right, anniet - like THAT'S going to happen! [/cynical mode])

I can't seem to shift from my brain the words of a woman who had fled ISIS very early on in the crisis. She was a Christian and had lived in her community for over forty years with every type of Muslim as her neighbours, along with a handful of other religious denominations. At the end of her interview she said: "I do not know who these people are and where they have come from, but I know they are not Muslims."

That young radicalised Muslims are now being recruited is an undeniably horrible truth :( They may not know what they're truly fighting for and who is pulling their strings. We certainly don't know what we're fighting against and until we do... I REALLY think we should be treading very carefully :(