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Message 1564506 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 18:10:02 UTC

Blame Our Dear Leader for Any Increase In TERROR.

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When POTUS is In League with Evil, 'it' Spreads 'its' Wings to All Corners.

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Message 1564522 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 18:28:25 UTC - in response to Message 1564512.  

Hi Sten,

Good to see you. Sadly I fear that you are probably right, and I really wish that wasn't the case. But we have to deal with the world that we live in as best we can. We have to protect the UK at all costs but without unduly alarming the public. it is necessarily a delicate balance of judgement.

Define "At all costs"! Do you mean those "throwaway servicemen" (of all nationalities) to protect the UK at all costs put their lives on the line, survive only to be told on their return, job done, now bugger off like a good chap?

How about protecting them when they can no longer protect themselves?

Case in point
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Message 1564537 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 18:45:16 UTC - in response to Message 1564522.  
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Hi Sten,
Good to see you. Sadly I fear that you are probably right, and I really wish that wasn't the case. But we have to deal with the world that we live in as best we can. We have to protect the UK at all costs but without unduly alarming the public. it is necessarily a delicate balance of judgement.

Define "At all costs"! Do you mean those "throwaway servicemen" (of all nationalities) to protect the UK at all costs put their lives on the line, survive only to be told on their return, job done, now bugger off like a good chap?
How about protecting them when they can no longer protect themselves?
Case in point

Your link shows something that I like to call terrorism. Terrorism against your own people.
My brother, David Clapson, a diabetic ex-soldier, died starving and destitute because he was penalised by the Job Centre for missing a meeting.
Could this happen Scandinavia? Of course.
A man was penalised by the Job Centre for missing a meeting.
Why. Because his was sedated and lying on the operation table and could not go to the Job Centre.
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Message 1564715 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 21:40:39 UTC - in response to Message 1564444.  
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I'm just wondering why you reacted the way you did to Chris's post, if pretty much all alert levels in various countries are meaningless.

All I did was repeat what I said in a different thread where I stated that the terror threat is a meaningless tool that inspires a disproportional fear of terrorism to the actual threat and because of that is useless and maybe does more harm than good. I felt it was relevant to the topic.
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Message 1564721 - Posted: 29 Aug 2014, 21:45:15 UTC - in response to Message 1564715.  

I'm just wondering why you reacted the way you did to Chris's post, if pretty much all alert levels in various countries are meaningless.

All I did was repeat what I said in a different thread where I stated that the terror threat is a meaningless tool that inspires a disproportional fear of terrorism to the actual threat and because of that is useless and maybe does more harm than good.

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Message 1564841 - Posted: 30 Aug 2014, 5:09:16 UTC - in response to Message 1564828.  

I'm just wondering why you reacted the way you did to Chris's post, if pretty much all alert levels in various countries are meaningless.

All I did was repeat what I said in a different thread where I stated that the terror threat is a meaningless tool that inspires a disproportional fear of terrorism to the actual threat and because of that is useless and maybe does more harm than good. I felt it was relevant to the topic.

The Threat Level has more to do with the Government Response, than alerting the population.

Мишель believes since the chance of any individual, being killed by a Terrorist is remote: No precautions should be taken.

Reminds me of the Comedian George Carlin (LOVED HIM) years ago, who would say to his audience: "How many of you believe you will be killed by a terrorist?" When no hands were raised, he would say "OK - Let's just sit back, and enjoy the show."

Мишель apparently has a Comic's thought process.

Replace that line with "how many think they will be killed by a drunk driver." Now go look up the statistics on cause of death. People are terrible at judging risk.
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Message 1564898 - Posted: 30 Aug 2014, 10:18:41 UTC - in response to Message 1564828.  
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The Threat Level has more to do with the Government Response, than alerting the population.

Мишель believes since the chance of any individual, being killed by a Terrorist is remote: No precautions should be taken.

Reminds me of the Comedian George Carlin (LOVED HIM) years ago, who would say to his audience: "How many of you believe you will be killed by a terrorist?" When no hands were raised, he would say "OK - Let's just sit back, and enjoy the show."

Мишель apparently has a Comic's thought process.

Nope, actually I'm just better at judging risk than you are. And statistically the chance of me getting killed by a terrorist is just really really low. There is a far bigger chance that I die in a traffic accident, a heart attack or cancer. Really, terrorism is, in Europe and the US, statistically one of the more unlikely ways to die.

Yet when I see those terror threat levels, I feel like I should fear for my life because a terrorist attack is apparently very likely to happen very soon. Or maybe even imminent. If you look at those levels you almost get the idea that within a few days some nut is going to set off a big bomb in front of my house, while in reality the chance that anything happens is very very unlikely.

Remember Norway? They raised their terror threat level and in the end nothing happened. They think the people that were going to do something didn't even make it past Greece. So, what were the actual chances that even under one of the higher alert levels something actually goes wrong? Well apparently closer to zero than anything else.

Look at the UK. Why did they raise the threat level? Do they have actual intel that some nut is going to set off a bomb somewhere in the UK? Nope, they raised it because now they finally acknowledge that a lot of British citizens have gone to Syria to fight with ISIS. And some of them might be coming back. So basically, this is just fear mongering. Be afraid, be very afraid of the people that went to Syria and now surely want to set off bombs all over the country, even though we have no actual intel that suggests anything of the sorts is going to happen.

Does it mean you don't have to take precautions? No I never said that. Sure, post more agents at key locations, tell them to be on the look out for possible terrorists. But don't tell the public that a terrorist threat is now 'severe' or 'imminent' because it tells nobody anything relevant and is more likely to scare people for no good reason.
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Message 1564908 - Posted: 30 Aug 2014, 11:30:07 UTC - in response to Message 1564828.  
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Reminds me of the Comedian George Carlin (LOVED HIM) years ago, who would say to his audience: "How many of you believe you will be killed by a terrorist?" When no hands were raised, he would say "OK - Let's just sit back, and enjoy the show."

George Carlin
Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/g/george_carlin.html#jcO3eYKpbI5EL7hw.99
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Message 1564930 - Posted: 30 Aug 2014, 13:49:40 UTC - in response to Message 1564925.  
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Reminds me of the Comedian George Carlin (LOVED HIM) years ago, who would say to his audience: "How many of you believe you will be killed by a terrorist?" When no hands were raised, he would say "OK - Let's just sit back, and enjoy the show."

George Carlin
Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/g/george_carlin.html#jcO3eYKpbI5EL7hw.99

He was my favorite.

George Carlin interviewed on The Chris Rock Show on November 28, 1997
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw1ImiSR6Eg
Why is he unknown in Sweden? Unbelievable.
In 2008, he was posthumously awarded the Mark Twain Prize for American Humor.

Keith Olbermann honors George Carlin, slams Bill O'Reilly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCY40EIQ8Gk
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Message 1565088 - Posted: 30 Aug 2014, 21:39:01 UTC - in response to Message 1564374.  
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The UK's terror threat level is being raised from "substantial" to "severe" in response to conflicts in Iraq and Syria, Home Secretary Theresa May says.

Step 1 to putting boots on the ground. Use propaganda to scare the home folks and demonize then enemy.

Step 2 http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2014/08/29/Plague-bomb-data-found-on-seized-Islamic-State-laptop/8051409329417/?spt=hts&or=12
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Message 1565099 - Posted: 30 Aug 2014, 21:54:25 UTC - in response to Message 1565088.  
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The UK's terror threat level is being raised from "substantial" to "severe" in response to conflicts in Iraq and Syria, Home Secretary Theresa May says.

Step 1 to putting boots on the ground. Use propaganda to scare the home folks and demonize then enemy.

Step 2 http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2014/08/29/Plague-bomb-data-found-on-seized-Islamic-State-laptop/8051409329417/?spt=hts&or=12

How nice. WMD!
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/08/28/found_the_islamic_state_terror_laptop_of_doom_bubonic_plague_weapons_of_mass_destruction_exclusive
"The real difficulty in all of these weapons ... (is) to actually have a workable distribution system that will kill a lot of people," said Magnus Ranstorp, research director of the Center for Asymmetric Threat Studies at the Swedish National Defense College. "But to produce quite scary weapons is certainly within (IS) capabilities."
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Message 1565159 - Posted: 30 Aug 2014, 23:23:39 UTC
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Back in the middle ages it was not unknown to catapult diseased animals and or humans over a wall to spread a dissease.
You all think biological warfare is new.

Edit. And how many times has a well been poisoned by dropping a few dead human corpeses down it.
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Message 1565186 - Posted: 31 Aug 2014, 0:45:11 UTC - in response to Message 1565159.  
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Back in the middle ages it was not unknown to catapult diseased animals and or humans over a wall to spread a dissease.
You all think biological warfare is new.
Edit. And how many times has a well been poisoned by dropping a few dead human corpeses down it.

I know that is an old warfare.
Konstantinopel (Istanbul today) where seiged by the Ottoman Empire in 1453.
The Ottomans did that what you describe.
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Message 1565224 - Posted: 31 Aug 2014, 2:54:09 UTC
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I can't help it.

The title of this thread reminds me so much of that comedy piece that been around for some time that describes the meaning of terror levels in different countries.

In the piece, the British level is decibed as rising from "Slightly Peeved" to "Bloody Annoyed". :)

Unfortunately I can't find where I saved it.

T.A.
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Message 1565229 - Posted: 31 Aug 2014, 3:22:26 UTC

15 yrs ago there was a terror alert but everyone ignored it .

And then at 8.40 am aprox 2 planes fly into a building and a few hours later it came crumbling down .

And everyone said "why didn't anybody listen , where were the F.B.I and C.I.A "

My how quick we forget !

And now 4 Jihadist may be some where in Europe plotting .

Isis is now gaining Strength and we should all just ignore the warning !

At the very least we should be keeping a eye open for strange happenings and be prepared to tell the right ppl that blah blah blah is doing this and it seems strange maybe you need to check it out .

Or we can all walk around with our blinkers on and see nothing , hear nothing , do nothing .

Just don't come back here in the formum and WHINGE about the concequences when some thing does happen

You have been warned !
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Message 1565230 - Posted: 31 Aug 2014, 3:27:32 UTC - in response to Message 1565229.  

15 yrs ago there was a terror alert but everyone ignored it .

And then at 8.40 am aprox 2 planes fly into a building and a few hours later it came crumbling down .

And everyone said "why didn't anybody listen , where were the F.B.I and C.I.A "

My how quick we forget !

And now 4 Jihadist may be some where in Europe plotting .

Isis is now gaining Strength and we should all just ignore the warning !

At the very least we should be keeping a eye open for strange happenings and be prepared to tell the right ppl that blah blah blah is doing this and it seems strange maybe you need to check it out .

Or we can all walk around with our blinkers on and see nothing , hear nothing , do nothing .

Just don't come back here in the formum and WHINGE about the concequences when some thing does happen

You have been warned !

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Message 1565370 - Posted: 31 Aug 2014, 10:55:21 UTC - in response to Message 1565229.  

15 yrs ago there was a terror alert but everyone ignored it .
You have been warned !

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Remember the story The Boy Who Cried Wolf?
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Message 1565390 - Posted: 31 Aug 2014, 12:44:46 UTC - in response to Message 1565229.  

That's quite true Glenn So a +1 for that. However, you have left out the most important issue that those at ground level despair of...

...the West's governments, both national & local have become too bloated & whenever a genuine whistleblower has undisputable facts, things happen...

...for the full report, pop into the "Against all women" thread, but I'll post the quote here as it just confirms my point.

"At the same time, it is now known that a Home Office researcher was conducting an investigation into trafficking and underage prostitution by mainly Muslim gangs in Rotherham, but it was never published, and the files were seized in 2002 by the Labour-run council when she tried to blow the whistle. The researcher faced intimidation by the police and council officials, the report by Professor Jay revealed last week."

So not only is it a question of "What to do" but one of "Who to tell".
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Message 1565393 - Posted: 31 Aug 2014, 13:01:32 UTC - in response to Message 1565390.  

"At the same time, it is now known that a Home Office researcher was conducting an investigation into trafficking and underage prostitution by mainly Muslim gangs in Rotherham, but it was never published, and the files were seized in 2002 by the Labour-run council when she tried to blow the whistle. The researcher faced intimidation by the police and council officials, the report by Professor Jay revealed last week."

So not only is it a question of "What to do" but one of "Who to tell".

And perhaps "Do I dare?"
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Message 1565394 - Posted: 31 Aug 2014, 13:11:16 UTC
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Sirius what about just phoning MI5 or MI6 what ever it is in stead of the local council or local cop shop ? Or phoning Scotland yard aren't they the same as our Federal police ?

Shorely they would listen and investigate it , where the local council .! which i don't understand why you would contact them aren't they only responible of planning of the roads and utilatys and thing like rates garbage disposal and things not shorely terrorism or crime
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